ar-15

[UtahPete]

We need a total ban on semi-automatic weapons and the devices that make them so effective at killing people. Many countries have tried this, and how has it worked for them? We need mandatory safety training, licensing and usage/storage requirements just as we do for vehicles. And we need mandatory and effective background checks to prevent 'deranged' persons from having guns of any type. Don't we already do?

The countries that have tried it (most recently Australia as the result of their first and last mass shooting) have found it to be very effective at reducing violent crime, particularly senseless mass shootings.

No, we don't have effective background checks. Duh.

 

[Trickie Dick]

Well, I knew it was coming. Another highly charged political thread.
It's interesting to note that many of you are using the AR15 for hunting. What kind of hunting? Squirrel? duck? deer?(illegal in many states) Elk? What ? Throw a high capacity magazine on top of that and it really gets interesting. I'd really like to know. I do know what the ARs were designed for and it sure as hell wasn't for hunting.

 

[Blue Star]

The countries that have tried it (most recently Australia as the result of their first and last mass shooting) have found it to be very effective at reducing violent crime, particularly senseless mass shootings.

No, we don't have effective background checks. Duh.

This article says different.

The Australian Bureau of Criminology states its murder rate in 2006 with firearms was the highest ever at 16.3 percent.

The ban started in 1997.

Also since the ban, here are the crime increases:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent, robbery 6.2 percent, sexual assault/rape 29.2 percent and overall crime rose 42.2 percent. Those numbers are quite a startling difference from ''virtually eliminating gun deaths and no substantial increase in violent crime.'' And since the ban, Australian women are raped three times more often than American women. Using Australia as an model to lead people into a false sense of security that an anti-gun policy could create a safer society is an injustice.
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http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/2013/01/violent_crime_rose_after_gun_b.html

I had to go thru a background check when I purchased my guns when I lived in California, so maybe it is only a California law. Of course I agree they could be better.

 

[Mad Mac]

We, as a society, need to keep firearms out of the hands of EDP's. We need to change the "firearm transaction" form to were line #14(?) reads- Are you under the care of a mental health professional? Needs to be answered thru the ATFE by a Federal data base which is used in cooperation with the AMA, and only they can see that info. It cannot be available to joe public, even the FFL dealer, it just is "approved or denied". So far it appears that line #14 is answered by the "honor system" and it appears to not be working. But again I see the "slippery slope" to all of this. As a retired correctional officer, I have seen the effects of inmates on psychotropic meds. and when they were off of them, so I do have exposure to that part of humanity. Mac:doorag:

 

[UtahPete]

This article says different.

The Australian Bureau of Criminology states its murder rate in 2006 with firearms was the highest ever at 16.3 percent. http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/2013/01/violent_crime_rose_after_gun_b.html​

I had to go thru a background check when I purchased my guns when I lived in California, so maybe it is only a California law. Of course I agree they could be better.

That's a blog, and it's addressing the murder rate from firearms in general. The OP was talking about eliminating semi-automatic weapons, which Australia did, with the result that mass shootings have been zero for over 20 years. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/australia-gun-control_us_561bb80ce4b0e66ad4c86fa0

Yes, California has effective, and strictly enforced, gun control laws (which the US Supreme Court recently upheld). No other state that I know of does; it's time for the rest of the country to get with it since California's borders are somewhat porous...

 

[Mad Mac]

Well, I knew it was coming. Another highly charged political thread.
It's interesting to note that many of you are using the AR15 for hunting. What kind of hunting? Squirrel? duck? deer?(illegal in many states) Elk? What ? Throw a high capacity magazine on top of that and it really gets interesting. I'd really like to know. I do know what the ARs were designed for and it sure as hell wasn't for hunting.

I use mine to hunt coyotes. Sometimes I get lucky and I will have two in my field of view and can get both without even changing positions (follow-up shots). I also use it for white tail- deer in my state because it's legal to use.223 ammo, oh I also do long range target and steel plate shooting with it also out to 600yds. I use mine legally and responsively. Mac:doorag:

 

[Blue Star]

Well, I knew it was coming. Another highly charged political thread.
It's interesting to note that many of you are using the AR15 for hunting. What kind of hunting? Squirrel? duck? deer?(illegal in many states) Elk? What ? Throw a high capacity magazine on top of that and it really gets interesting. I'd really like to know. I do know what the ARs were designed for and it sure as hell wasn't for hunting.

I hunt paper circles with mine, and I disagree. This thread has not been political, and so far everyone is polite.

 

[UtahPete]

I use mine to hunt coyotes. Sometimes I get lucky and I will have two in my field of view and can get both without even changing positions (follow-up shots). I also use it for white tail- deer in my state because it's legal to use.223 ammo, oh I also do long range target and steel plate shooting with it also out to 600yds. I use mine legally and responsively. Mac:doorag:

I used to use my 1985 BMW 318i to pull a trailer. It did that very well, but that's not what it was designed for.

 

[Mad Mac]

I used to use my 1985 BMW 318i to pull a trailer. It did that very well, but that's not it was designed for.

I'm at a loss, I guess we can all agree to disagree at this point of the conversation. P.S. hope you found something to tow that trailer! Mac:banghead:

 

[UtahPete]

I'm at a loss, I guess we can all agree to disagree at this point of the conversation. P.S. hope you found something to tow that trailer! Mac:banghead:

I had the BMW for 10 years and 225,000 miles. In 1992, my son got a dirt bike and needed a way to get it around, so I put a hitch on the car and bought a cheap HF trailer so we could do that. Later on, I used the trailer to transport my few belongings at the time (nasty, expensive divorce and multiple child custody battles made me a little bereft of worldly goods) between locations on my frequent job-related moves. Necessity is the mother of invention I guess. Point is, the car wasn't designed for that purpose but could be used for that purpose as I needed.

The post you were quoting said he didn't think the AR-15 was designed as a hunting rifle. But that doesn't mean it couldn't be used for that purpose.

 

[ARtraveler]

Remember Cuzn John? :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

 

[RinconRyder]

If we're going there what about fertilizer and the illegal product that is used for.

Fertilizer is not produced as a weapon. Neither are plastic bags but put one over your head and see what happens.

 

[Blue Star]

I think we have been civil

Remember Cuzn John. :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Cuzn John would continually post off color (bad) jokes, and that was his downfall.

I said it before, I think everyone is being polite.

Although :agree: there are those on one side of the fence, and those on the other.

If I offended anyone here, I apologize, and will delete any post they point out to me.

 

[Blue Star]

Fertilizer is not produced as a weapon. Neither are plastic bags but put one over your head and see what happens.

In California it will cost you 10 to 20 cents.

 

[UtahPete]

Cuzn John would continually post off color (bad) jokes, and that was his downfall. I said it before, I think everyone is being polite.

Although :agree: there are those on one side of the fence, and those on the other. If I offended anyone here, I apologize, and will delete any post they point out to me.

I'm not offended by anything, but I'm constantly amazed how thin-skinned some folks can be.

We're exchanging ideas, opinions and perspectives. Why should that be so scary to god-fearing, gun-totin' people?

 

[rpatsh]

JMO

 

[Blue Star]

I'm not offended by anything, but I'm constantly amazed how thin-skinned some folks can be.

We're exchanging ideas, opinions and perspectives. Why should that be so scary to god-fearing, gun-totin' people?

I'm good.

 

[RinconRyder]

Can't agree with you or your statement. The number of deaths that those 2 items represent dwarf gun deaths (although I am not minimizing any death).

Why no big ruckus for reform or change there (alcohol, cigarettes still going pretty strong, vehicle safety, and diet in this country and obesity) ?
They contribute to the biggest killers in this country. They are also relatively easy areas to get change from. They are just not politically attractive.

Like most other gun arguments you are getting far afield. Yes, alcohol and tobacco are killers but they also do not usually affect a mass of other people - and when they do they have been restricted. Note the number of bars and restaurants in which you can smoke now compared to several decades ago. If I drink I do not do damage to anyone but myself (loved ones may be damaged by the consequences of drinking but not by alcohol itself).

And unlike "volunteers" that persist in being around a drinker or alcoholic, I really doubt there was a single volunteer in Las Vegas, Sandy Hook or Florida that volunteered to be shot.

 

[rpatsh]

Like most other gun arguments you are getting far afield. Yes, alcohol and tobacco are killers but they also do not usually affect a mass of other people - and when they do they have been restricted. Note the number of bars and restaurants in which you can smoke now compared to several decades ago. If I drink I do not do damage to anyone but myself (loved ones may be damaged by the consequences of drinking but not by alcohol itself).

And unlike "volunteers" that persist in being around a drinker or alcoholic, I really doubt there was a single volunteer in Las Vegas, Sandy Hook or Florida that volunteered to be shot.

These 4 people didn't volunteer to be killed by Alcohol! This is all a people issue
agian just My opinion..

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/29/suspect-in-i-80-dui-crash-hit-with-quadruple-murder-case/

 

[RinconRyder]

We've had semi-automatic weapons in this country since the early 1900s. We didn't start seeing these mass shootings until the 80s or 90s. What happened to our society? Nobody I ever knew in school in the 50s and 60s ever even thought about shooting anyone. And we all had guns.

You don't know your history. Following WWI a flood of military weapons, including the "Chicago typewriter" made their way into the country with returning vets. Two decades of murderous conflict, mostly among mobsters, followed. It finally got the public so mad the FBI was armed with similar weapons and their charter was changed to attack in force (they hadn't even been armed before that).

There were gun related murders in schools in the 50's and 60's (remember Kent State and the University of Texas as just two examples?). There just were not MASS murders where dozens of people were killed and especially not young children.