Another wheel fell off...

[Highwayman2013]

And I would greatly appreciate you stopping and helping me. My comments weren't directed at this particular thread. But reading all the posts from the year since the Ryker was added to this forum, the majority of complaining has been by non Ryker owners and it come to a boil at this time. Complaining about the design of the bike, the materials used, the use of the bike, the maintenance and about BRP in general. I love my Ryker and wouldn't take anything for it and have absolutely no issues with it. I have no issues with my Spyder either but they are two totally different bikes with two totally different purposes (at least for me). Yes, they had an issue with a vendor on a batch of wheel nuts, but they are correcting it. I have complete confidence in my Rally and it's design and am just asking that if you don't own one please quit bashing them. There are plenty of sections on here to discuss your Spyder. Have a good day and enjoy the ride.

Agreed, got my Rally as sort of a hooligan bike. It fits the role perfectly. Now I'm working on making it a short distance tourer. Had the nuts changed already, no big thing.

 

[MoDZuKi]

BRP Better start writing some multi Million dollar Liability cheques to get rady for the lawsuits if they don't fix this NOW- and with something that makes sound engineering sense not that they have been supplying!

 

[Peteoz]

Poli,
I think you might be reading too much into these comments. Thread starters and posters also complain about the design of the Spyder models, the materials used in the Spyder models, the use of Spyder models, the maintenance of Spyder models and BRP in general. I have reread all the posts here and can not see one post on this thread bashing the Ryker per se. They are simply questioning/bashing BRP in general and would be saying the same things if it was Spyder wheel nuts falling off. Sure, there are bound to be some threads on the site that run down the Ryker, exactly as there are threads running down the F3, the RT the RS etc, but they are infrequent.
Personally, I would not buy a Ryker because I have sat on one and don’t believe I could get comfortable with my loooong frame, but that’s just me, and I would love to have one in my stable :thumbup:
I understand where you are coming from, but try reading the posts from a different perspective. You may find they are not as “Ryker Critical” as you believe :2thumbs:

Pete

And I would greatly appreciate you stopping and helping me. My comments weren't directed at this particular thread. But reading all the posts from the year since the Ryker was added to this forum, the majority of complaining has been by non Ryker owners and it come to a boil at this time. Complaining about the design of the bike, the materials used, the use of the bike, the maintenance and about BRP in general. I love my Ryker and wouldn't take anything for it and have absolutely no issues with it. I have no issues with my Spyder either but they are two totally different bikes with two totally different purposes (at least for me). Yes, they had an issue with a vendor on a batch of wheel nuts, but they are correcting it. I have complete confidence in my Rally and it's design and am just asking that if you don't own one please quit bashing them. There are plenty of sections on here to discuss your Spyder. Have a good day and enjoy the ride.

 

[Switchback12]

And I would greatly appreciate you stopping and helping me. My comments weren't directed at this particular thread. But reading all the posts from the year since the Ryker was added to this forum, the majority of complaining has been by non Ryker owners and it come to a boil at this time. Complaining about the design of the bike, the materials used, the use of the bike, the maintenance and about BRP in general. I love my Ryker and wouldn't take anything for it and have absolutely no issues with it. I have no issues with my Spyder either but they are two totally different bikes with two totally different purposes (at least for me). Yes, they had an issue with a vendor on a batch of wheel nuts, but they are correcting it. I have complete confidence in my Rally and it's design and am just asking that if you don't own one please quit bashing them. There are plenty of sections on here to discuss your Spyder. Have a good day and enjoy the ride.

I think Spyder owner are jealous since Ryker cost only 1/3 of RT and it is more fun to ride.

 

[MDLNB]

IMO the Ryker to Spyder is like the Harley Sportster to the Road King. They are both of the same family, but serve different purposes and have big cost differences. I had NO intention of purchasing a Can Am until I saw the Ryker. Due to physical limitations related to age ailments, I can no longer enjoy riding a two wheeler and the Ryker gives me the same feeling that I got from taking off on a ride. It ALMOST has the two wheel experience feeling. That is my reason for choosing the Ryker over the Spyder. That said, I could have waited until the glitches were ironed out in a year or two, BUT I knew that if any glitches were discovered, the company would take care of them via recalls. They have. My wheel nuts were replaced BEFORE I received my notice in the mail. Shoot, Harley had years of manufacturing before they fixed the oil leaks. They were known to have a common trait of "marking their spot." I realize that having wheels falling off is a big deal and not just an oil leak, but that is such a small chance of happening and they ARE attempting to fix the problem. For those that are scared of buying one until the problem is fixed, then don't buy one for a while. If I was concerned about being safe, I certainly would have never owned a two wheeler. I think that perhaps some are over thinking this issue. Personally, I do not "like" the single nut wheel retainer, but that's the sporty way they designed the cycle. It was inconvenient to have to purchase the socket and the torque wrench, but I did. I don't know a lot about the cycle yet, but I am learning a lot on this forum. I do know that I am going to enjoy lots of riding all year long here in Florida, and I am enjoying the process of personalizing my cycle. I guess the fact that I am getting older makes some issues less important on my worry list, since time gets shorter as you get older. No one lives forever, so enjoy the time you have left. But, if the wheel issue scares you, then don't buy a Ryker and if you have one, sell it. There are plenty out there that want one so you won't have trouble getting rid of it.

That said, does anyone else wonder a little if BRP is just grinding down a notch on the later manufactured wheel nuts and passing them on? I mean if they have checked them since the bad batch that came out, and finding out that there was just a bad batch mixed in, why not just mark the newer ones similar to putting a different serial number on the part? Just kind of wondering, not that it matters as long as the new ones are testing OK. Another question I have (since I am ignorant on the subject) is could the wheel nut be damaged/cracked by over torquing it? After all, who ever heard of tightening a nut to 220lbs, other than a high tension bolt on the iron structure of a large building construction job? Since some on here claim to be engineers, I thought I would throw that thought out there for the conversation.

At any rate, have fun and don't worry so much. Go out there and enjoy contributing to "global warming" and air pollution before they replace all our fun with batteries.

 

[jaherbst]

I think Spyder owner are jealous since Ryker cost only 1/3 of RT and it is more fun to ride.

Well that's a stretch! Don't think you will find any Spyder owner jealous of any Ryker.

Jack

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Ryker wheel nuts

Question ….. are the NEW nuts ….Steel ???? …..thanks … Mike hyea:

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

Question ….. are the NEW nuts ….Steel ???? …..thanks … Mike hyea:

No, aluminum

 

[PMK]

I think Spyder owner are jealous since Ryker cost only 1/3 of RT and it is more fun to ride.

Not. If I wanted to not shift gears, I would own a scooter.

 

[MDLNB]

Does a Spyder have a hand clutch and a foot shift? I thought the Spyder had a semi-automatic thumb shift? If so, are you REALLY comparing the Spyder shift to a motorcycle? Sorry, I really didn't want to get into the "which is better" debate. I just know that for my needs, I needed something that felt like a two wheeler, but without the hand clutch. My left hand requires two operations and a lot of therapy so my clutch days are likely behind me. My neighbor has a spyder and he enjoys it. He also has a two wheeler too. I have nothing against the Spyder. I just feel like I am in an open convertible car when I am on one. It does not feel like a motorcycle to me, but the Ryker does. That is JUST my opinion and I mean no offense and I will not disparage the Spyder. To be honest with you, I would rather have a reverse trike made by Harley if they would produce the one they have patented. But, for the price and for the fun, the Ryker beats the heck out of anything else that I can personally enjoy.
Lets not get into the debate about the differences between the Spyder and the Ryker. They are both similar and both different.

 

[Peteoz]

MDLNB,

It’s great to hear that your Ryker works for you and that you are enjoying it, as that is what riding is all about.
However, you really should do some research before making comments like your first couple of sentences if you want credibility. The Spyder comes in BOTH semi auto AND manual (for those who prefer a manual gear change which does indeed give it a two wheel motorcycle gear change.

Pete

Does a Spyder have a hand clutch and a foot shift? I thought the Spyder had a semi-automatic thumb shift? If so, are you REALLY comparing the Spyder shift to a motorcycle? Sorry, I really didn't want to get into the "which is better" debate. I just know that for my needs, I needed something that felt like a two wheeler, but without the hand clutch. My left hand requires two operations and a lot of therapy so my clutch days are likely behind me. My neighbor has a spyder and he enjoys it. He also has a two wheeler too. I have nothing against the Spyder. I just feel like I am in an open convertible car when I am on one. It does not feel like a motorcycle to me, but the Ryker does. That is JUST my opinion and I mean no offense and I will not disparage the Spyder. To be honest with you, I would rather have a reverse trike made by Harley if they would produce the one they have patented. But, for the price and for the fun, the Ryker beats the heck out of anything else that I can personally enjoy.
Lets not get into the debate about the differences between the Spyder and the Ryker. They are both similar and both different.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

MDLNB,

It’s great to hear that your Ryker works for you and that you are enjoying it, as that is what riding is all about.
However, you really should do some research before making comments like your first couple of sentences if you want credibility. The Spyder comes in BOTH semi auto AND manual (for those who prefer a manual gear change which does indeed give it a two wheel motorcycle gear change.

Pete

:agree: ….. however that was pre-19, I don't think the newer RT's has a Manual trans. offered any longer ….. Mike

 

[wingit3611]

Sounds like the old Corvair days

 

[Peteoz]

:agree: ….. however that was pre-19, I don't think the newer RT's has a Manual trans. offered any longer ….. Mike

Sure, Mike.......but that wasn’t what this particular discussion was about

Pete

 

[Switchback12]

Cold weather must be settling in. We all are spending more time with our keyboards. :roflblack:

 

[ARtraveler]

Let's let this thread get back on track. "Another wheel fell off" (Ryker lug nuts coming off, the proposed fix, etc.)

Recommend sticking to that topic in this thread.

 

[canamryder]

I agree AND the fix is already taking place. New nuts are being sent out. Yes they are still Alum. If any old nuts, pre 2/19 or the new nuts start cracking THEN start complaining about the material used. I'll be right there with you guys complaining also. The problem was not the aluminum. It was the HOLLOW TUBING that had "cold shots" in it. Steel nuts could crack also if improperly heat treated. Too much porosity in cast iron.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I agree AND the fix is already taking place. New nuts are being sent out. Yes they are still Alum. If any old nuts, pre 2/19 or the new nuts start cracking THEN start complaining about the material used. I'll be right there with you guys complaining also. The problem was not the aluminum. It was the HOLLOW TUBING that had "cold shots" in it. Steel nuts could crack also if improperly heat treated. Too much porosity in cast iron.

" Cast Iron nuts " …… Does anyone actually make them ?????, ….. Mike hyea:

 

[canamryder]

I think I saw some on some old farm equipment, down in the hollows, way back in the '50s......ha!

 

[stevencovert]

I visually inspect them and just today I checked the torque of all 3 wheels as well as the air pressure. That's what I mean by not just hopping on and riding. I guarantee you if the OP would have done a visual check of things before he took off this more than likely wouldn't have happened. These things always get blown out of proportion.

We did a walk around after discussing the recall. I personally tugged on the clips, and tried to see if there was any wobble on either wheel - there was not. Based on the information in the recall about weak spots, they can give at any moment. That means unless you XRay the nut when checking to the best of your abilities you cannot possibly tell if there is a problem. Once the nut cracks, it cannot hold on the threads, it snaps the retainer clip and bye bye wheel.

Being that he just bought the bike new, he didn't think the nuts were the affected ones in the recall. However, with hindsight we did not check the build date. BRP is paying for all the repairs - A-Arm, front end tupperware, rim, brake system, etc. so apparently it is within the recall dates. Maybe sat a while at the dealership, no idea. Could be somehow the bad nuts were sitting around in the shop and a lazy tech slapped them on. Who knows.