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Another Trikes Concept

Why don't any of these concepts ever come to market. I bet if priced right they could sell something like either of those units.

Looks like a starfighter with the wings clipped off....

Or a cheap knock off of a Disney Star Wars ride.

As to your question; Sure, millions of BMW owners are just going to flock to this. Millions! It has so much more to it than the bikes. It has so much less than the cars! Luxury (nope) Safety (nope) Comfort (nope) Image Enhancement (nope) Sexy German Engineering (since I can't see any sign of that in the pictures - nope).

Actually, it is pretty sad BMW even let this idea escape from the lab. I really thought they were better than that.

Tom
 
It has so much less than the cars! Luxury (nope) Safety (nope) Comfort (nope) Image Enhancement (nope) Sexy German Engineering (since I can't see any sign of that in the pictures - nope).

Actually, it is pretty sad BMW even let this idea escape from the lab. I really thought they were better than that.

Tom, I think you should do a bit more research on what BMW has been doing over the past several years before coming to such conclusions. I would agree with you that the looks of this aren't too good, but the vehicle itself has engineering behind it that I wish GM, Ford, and any other American company would try to achieve.

BMW has been working on a three-wheeled tilting vehicle design for several years, and this is simply the latest offing. That last concept was the C.L.E.V.E.R. vehicle which they did not move forward with due to some tilting problems they had with it. Now they come up with the "Simple" vehicle which has ALL THREE tires tiling in a turn, which is an incredible engineering feat if they actually pulled it off.

These vehicles are not new, though. Carver, a company in Europe, has had a vehicle like this on the road for several years now. Just google CarverOne vehicle, and you'll find out a great deal about them. Also, there is the company in California that is designing a Hybrid vehicle like this, and whom I have had a contract with and have run a forum over the past couple years.

These vehicles are simply incredible, and if they actually get these to the marketplace in America, it will be a definite plus for consumers. And, again, the engineering on these is something that any company should/would be proud to display.

We have a large amount of videos on the Carver, BMW CLEVER, and other vehicles at our website: www.FlyTheRoadClub.com

Derwin
 
Those are some pretty interesting concepts as well.

It mignt be fun to run up against one of the Cirbin vehicles sometime.
 
No, you didn't over react . . . .

LOL! I know. I overreacted. LOL! :shemademe_smilie:

(I'm assuming you were laughing about my post. If not, please disregard! LOL!)

Derwin

. . . . you made reasonable statements. But, I stand by my overly snide assessment, BMW ( who I respect - though a little less now ) is entering Segway territory here. Brilliant engineering of a concept that time and again does not mesh with the real world. A valid idea - as you stated - with limited application (now and into the next decade). And it looks like a trendy, but pedestrian novelty to boot. Perhaps it will be valid as a personal form of public transportation in areas where cars and other motor vehicles are not allowed, but that is not happening anytime soon (on a commercial scale).

Of course, somebody ( most likely a snide idiot ) probably said the same thing about the Spyder when they first saw it.

Tom
 
. . . . you made reasonable statements. But, I stand by my overly snide assessment, BMW ( who I respect - though a little less now ) is entering Segway territory here. Brilliant engineering of a concept that time and again does not mesh with the real world. A valid idea - as you stated - with limited application (now and into the next decade). And it looks like a trendy, but pedestrian novelty to boot. Perhaps it will be valid as a personal form of public transportation in areas where cars and other motor vehicles are not allowed, but that is not happening anytime soon (on a commercial scale).

I guess I'm just puzzled by your assessment. Hey, everybody has a right to their opinion. But I'm worried that your opinion is based on a complete lack of information.

Let me go over a few of your statements one by one...

"BMW is entering Segway territory here."

And how do you reach this conclusion, Tom? Do you know about these type of vehicles? Have you seen the detailed specs on them? Have you researched it out? To compare these types of vehicles to a Segway tells me that you simply do not know these vehicles. :gaah:

"A valid idea with limited application"

Limited in what way? These are actual VEHICLES that are being developed for transportation purposes, not toys. I dare say that you would ride these vehicles in conditions that you wouldn't even think about driving a Spyder or any other open air vehicle in. Again, I think you have a lack of understand here about these things.

"...but pedestrian novelty to boot. Perhaps it will be valid as a personal form of public transportation in areas where cars and other motor vehicles are not allowed..."

I guess this statement is what captured my attention most, and causes me to sit back and realize that you have no idea what these vehicles are whatsoever. A "pedestrian novelty"? LOL! I think not. Use "where cars and other motor vehicles are not allowed"? Really? These are vehicle concepts that will get over 100 miles per gallon, and go up to around 140 miles per hour. Not a pedestrian vehicle or toy by any means.

Again, I think you need to RESEARCH these things out before making statements that have absolutely no basis in reality. Please go check out the vehicles that are ON THE ROAD NOW in Europe. They are winding around the Autobahn in Germany at speeds that we just are not able to drive here in America. These vehicles are the real deal, and incredibly fun to drive. Like I said, please look up the Carver in Europe. Check out the videos. I know some owners of the vehicle in Germany, and they LOVE the things. A complete joy to ride on the open road at high speeds.

But, hey, if you don't like vehicles that go 140 miles an hour, get over 100 miles per gallon, and can maneuver the roads like a jet airplane, then that's OK!

Derwin
 
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I'll take a sportscar to this heinous thing any day of the week...heck, I'll take my BMW convertible to this thing...yuck!!


I guess I'm just puzzled by your assessment. Hey, everybody has a right to their opinion. But I'm worried that your opinion is based on a complete lack of information.

Let me go over a few of your statements one by one...

"BMW is entering Segway territory here."

And how do you reach this conclusion, Tom? Do you know about these type of vehicles? Have you seen the detailed specs on them? Have you researched it out? To compare these types of vehicles to a Segway tells me that you simply do not know these vehicles. :gaah:

"A valid idea with limited application"

Limited in what way? These are actual VEHICLES that are being developed for transportation purposes, not toys. I dare say that you would ride these vehicles in conditions that you wouldn't even think about driving a Spyder or any other open air vehicle in. Again, I think you have a lack of understand here about these things.

"...but pedestrian novelty to boot. Perhaps it will be valid as a personal form of public transportation in areas where cars and other motor vehicles are not allowed..."

I guess this statement is what captured my attention most, and causes me to sit back and realize that you have no idea what these vehicles are whatsoever. A "pedestrian novelty"? LOL! I think not. Use "where cars and other motor vehicles are not allowed"? Really? These are vehicle concepts that will get over 100 miles per gallon, and go up to around 140 miles per hour. Not a pedestrian vehicle or toy by any means.

Again, I think you need to RESEARCH these things out before making statements that have absolutely no basis in reality. Please go check out the vehicles that are ON THE ROAD NOW in Europe. They are winding around the Autobahn in Germany at speeds that we just are not able to drive here in America. These vehicles are the real deal, and incredibly fun to drive. Like I said, please look up the Carver in Europe. Check out the videos. I know some owners of the vehicle in Germany, and they LOVE the things. A complete joy to ride on the open road at high speeds.

But, hey, if you don't like vehicles that go 140 miles an hour, get over 100 miles per gallon, and can maneuver the roads like a jet airplane, then that's OK!

Derwin
 
I'll take a sportscar to this heinous thing any day of the week...heck, I'll take my BMW convertible to this thing...yuck!!


I agree! This body design is a complete disaster. I don't know what they were thinking! But the mechanics of it are incredible.

Hopefully they'll get a new design team for the body! LOL!

Derwin
 
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I guess I'm just puzzled by your assessment. Hey, everybody has a right to their opinion. But I'm worried that your opinion is based on a complete lack of information. (don't worry, it is not a complete lack of information)

Let me go over a few of your statements one by one... (good points, but lets skip to your final wrap-up, that summarizes it all)

But, hey, if you don't like vehicles that go 140 miles an hour, get over 100 miles per gallon, and can maneuver the roads like a jet airplane, then that's OK!

Derwin

Derwin, first, the 2nd 1/3 of this issue; just where would you drive such a vehicle? Then the 3rd part; just who would drive such a vehicle?

Like you mention, the Autobahn might work for where, but what is the cost to build an infrastructure across this nation for such a roadway? Even just one? This past weekend I took a ride out to the VLA (Very Large Array radio telescopes). Here is what the road looked like.
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(actually, the VLA is in the valley, hidden by the trees on the left)

Two lanes, wide paved shoulders, straight as an arrow for about 20 miles, speed limit 60 mph. The road surface would not support going faster (to my limited abilities) 90 mph, but I would rate it as good. Twice I had to brake for cows. Once for a coyote. I saw a couple of dozen Pronghorn antelope, but they stayed off the road. I noticed about 6 snakes that had not. Two sections of the road in the valley had gravel and dirt spills on them. This stretch was being lightly traveled, so less than 20 cars and trucks were in the oncoming lane. Nobody passed me or was visible in my mirrors (I was going the speed limit). There were two vehicles maybe 5 to 10 miles ahead of me. How much would it cost to make this stretch of road safe for a Simple vehicle to travel at 140 mph in all weather and seasons? Raise it? Enclose it? Widen and segregate other traffic? Convert railroad tracks to Simple Roadways? How much to resurface and maintain high speed roadways and keep them clear of debris? What was the cost of the Bullet Train infrastructure - it requires similar special considerations. Infrastructure costs for new technologies are a major hurdle. Building the infrastructures for things like cell phones, highways, electricity, bridges, roadways, water systems, pipelines, railways, and so on are incredibly expensive. Maintaining them is also very expensive.

Actually, this became an immediate issue for the Segway ( a brilliant piece of engineering - I know the wheels don't swivel, but maybe some day ). Where would you ride it? The road? The sidewalks? Bike Paths? Wherever? Where would you park it? The usual places? At your desk? What about riding in buildings? Until the infrastructure is there, it won't be anything but a "pedestrian novelty" - no matter how clever it is. Even 'lower-tech' things have this problem - like skateboards, roller-skates, and bicycles. And given the picture, Simple looks like it has less ground clearance than the Spyder - not good even on a lot of poorly maintained city streets.

The Simple vehicle does look like it can integrate into lots of existing roadway infrastructure, but with no real value besides its mileage. The highest speed limit in the US is ( I believe ) 85mph in parts of Texas, so Simple has at least an excess 50mph built into it.

And finally, how many drivers do you know and see around you every day that are capable of 'going 140 miles an hour and maneuvering the (existing) roads like a jet airplane'. (and you can't count Doc, Setho, or 3wheeldemon) The picture that comes to my mind is something that would appear in the Darwin Awards. (actually, I speculate that with Simple's wheel configuration it must have a Nanny system that makes the Spyders look like a total zero and only in a highly engineered environment, would it ever be able to get close to its speed potentials). I personally think one of the great accomplishments of Civilization is that fact that most of the time, people drive on the correct side of the road and kind-of stay in their lanes. If we could properly use horns and turn signals, that would be a miracle.

So, well engineered concept, looks like a Disney World Space Mountain ride, expensive, requires special infrastructure to reach masses and commercial viability (gazillons expensive), even with a Nanny system it generally beyond the operating capabilities of 50% of the population (much like cars), does not reflect the vast majority's life style needs (kids, dogs, luggage, furniture moves, groceries, tools, family drives, vacations, etc.).

Derwin, I can tell you love this stuff and follow it closely. I am only saying it is just 1/3 of the solution. It won't be more than a novelty if the other 2/3rds are not addressed. It has a better chance than the Flying Car, but many of the same problems. Yup, that is my opinion. My wish is that we all were better and capable of doing things like this. I am old. It won't be in my lifetime. Just in the movies.

Tom
 
Derwin, first, the 2nd 1/3 of this issue; just where would you drive such a vehicle? Then the 3rd part; just who would drive such a vehicle?

Again, you are basing your opinion on a lack of understanding.

Where would you drive this these types of vehicles? Well, anywhere you would drive ANY vehicle! Did you get a good look at the video I posted? Do you see him driving this on normal roads that are narrow, and even in small villages? Wherever you would drive the Spyder, or any other vehicle for that matter, you would drive these vehicles. Why you are having a problem understanding that is beyond me.

How much would it cost to make this stretch of road safe for a Simple vehicle to travel at 140 mph in all weather and seasons?
Well, your Spyder is capable of doing around 130 miles per hour (according to the posts I've read in here!). Does this mean you MUST drive that fast? Does this mean that you need the roads to be changed to accommodate the Spyder? Of course not! That is a ridiculous argument on it's face. Sorry. These arguments you are making are so our of left field that I'm now beginning to think that your just BAITING me! If so, you've done a great job! LOL!

The Simple vehicle does look like it can integrate into lots of existing roadway infrastructure, but with no real value besides its mileage. The highest speed limit in the US is ( I believe ) 85mph in parts of Texas, so Simple has at least an excess 50mph built into it.
I'm really puzzled. Are you serious, or just pulling my chain? :dontknow:

And finally, how many drivers do you know and see around you every day that are capable of 'going 140 miles an hour and maneuvering the (existing) roads like a jet airplane'. (and you can't count Doc, Setho, or 3wheeldemon)
How many are capable? LOL! I only mentioned the "jet airplane" thing because of the FUN FACTOR involved in riding a vehicle like that. Again, if you did a bit of research, you would understand that the tilting mechanism goes into affect based on how "hard" you turn the steering wheel. So if a person doesn't desire to "FlyTheRoad", and would rather just stay level, then he has that option. And as far as the speed is concerned, I think I already addressed that. Just because a vehicle is CAPABLE of doing a particular speed, doesn't mean that you must do it. Heck, I've NEVER pushed ANY of my vehicles to the limit as far as speed is concerned.

So, well engineered concept, looks like a Disney World Space Mountain ride, expensive, requires special infrastructure to reach masses and commercial viability (gazillons expensive), even with a Nanny system it generally beyond the operating capabilities of 50% of the population (much like cars), does not reflect the vast majority's life style needs (kids, dogs, luggage, furniture moves, groceries, tools, family drives, vacations, etc.).
Wrong on almost every count. Your opinion about the LOOKS of this particular concept is right on the money, and I agree 100% with you. But that look would never reach the marketplace anyway, so it's really a moot point. It would NOT require "special infrastructure" anymore than the Spyder, or your Ford or Chevy would require.

Again, please go research the Carver vehicle which is already on the market in Europe. It is driven in little hamlets and villages, as well as on highways. No need for a special roads to be created! And, no, it would not be "expensive". Actually, the Persu Hybrid which is being developed now by a company in California is expected to retail for between $20,000 and $25,000.... Less than what the new Spyder is selling for!

And these types of vehicles simply are NOT beyond the populations capabilities to drive. If you know how to drive a "normal" vehicle, then you won't have a problem with these things. And as far as the "vast majorities lifestyle needs".... I don't think ANY one vehicle would meet your laundry list of things! Try moving furniture with the Spyder, or doing any number of other things that you mentioned with any motorcycle, or even small car for that matter. You can't. Period.

Derwin, I can tell you love this stuff and follow it closely. I am only saying it is just 1/3 of the solution. It won't be more than a novelty if the other 2/3rds are not addressed. It has a better chance than the Flying Car, but many of the same problems. Yup, that is my opinion. My wish is that we all were better and capable of doing things like this. I am old. It won't be in my lifetime. Just in the movies.
Well, Tom, I just wish you were basing your opinions on reality and the facts as they are. If you did that, then we could have an intelligent conversation about this. The problem is that most everything that you've stated is simply wrong, and can be proven wrong with just a little research by anyone interested. And as for you not seeing this type of vehicle in your lifetime.... I'm glad to say that these vehicles exist NOW and have been on the market for a few years in Europe already. I can give you the phone number of a few people that own these vehicles and have been driving them. This is something that is REAL and is being brought to America. It's fun ride, and anyone that has ever driven one would tell you that.

But your 100% correct on the LOOKS of this new BMW concept. Why they put that body on it is beyond me.

OK. I think I've said enough about this. If you want to educate yourself and have an informed opinion, then please do the research. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what you find out.

Derwin
 
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