Another BajaRon Swaybar Question....

[PaladinLV]

Sway bar has NOTHING to do with leaning!!!
That is the physics of centrifigal force - PERIOD!
If anything you would need to lean more because you'll be able to corner FASTER - ergo more force.

AJ

Still mulling over adding the BJR swaybar to my 2016 F3-T. I asked this question in another thread, but I think that it may have been buried, so I'm repeating it here:

Given the same radius turn, taken at the same speed, under the same circumstances, would a Spyder with the BajaRon sway bar installed require less leaning into the turn by the rider, than a "stock" Spyder without the BajaRon sway bar would (because the Spyder will dip/roll less to the outside)?

If so, would that mean that you could theoretically take the turn at a higher speed with the BajaRon sway bar, if you lean into the turn the same amount as without the swaybar? (I hope that my meaning is clear....)

Thanks!

 

[Slowpoke387]

Sway bar has NOTHING to do with leaning!!!
That is the physics of centrifigal force - PERIOD!
If anything you would need to lean more because you'll be able to corner FASTER - ergo more force.

AJ

Think by leaning it was meant as the bike wont dip down as much on the outside of turns, at the same speed as without the bar. Apples to apples. Hopefully resulting in less upsetting of the suspension. Big time annoying trait.

 

[newbert]

Sway bar has NOTHING to do with leaning!!!
That is the physics of centrifigal force - PERIOD!
If anything you would need to lean more because you'll be able to corner FASTER - ergo more force.

AJ

Well, I guess that's what I don't understand. Excessive roll in a curve is counter-balanced by my leaning into the curve, right? So, if the new sway bar reduces this roll, wouldn't I need to lean into the curve less (assuming the same given speed)? Or, thought of in a different way -- lean into the curve the same amount, while being able to corner faster.


I'm trying to minimize the amount of leaning I have to do.

 

[Slowpoke387]

Well, I guess that's what I don't understand. Excessive roll in a curve is counter-balanced by my leaning into the curve, right? So, if the new sway bar reduces this roll, wouldn't I need to lean into the curve less (assuming the same given speed)? Or, thought of in a different way -- lean into the curve the same amount, while being able to corner faster.


I'm trying to minimize the amount of leaning I have to do.

All things being equal meaning same corner, same speed, i would def expect to lean a bit less due to hopefully less "dipping down" on the outside. Its why im changing out the shocks too. Hoping to firm up the compression a bit so that the chassis stays more level under a load (turns) or at least slow down the process of the tilt lol. The roads are really crowned here so the whole bike dips down to the right big time in left turns. You will always need to lean though. I get what you mean, just a little less effort.

 

[Peter Aawen]

Still mulling over adding the BJR swaybar to my 2016 F3-T. I asked this question in another thread, but I think that it may have been buried, so I'm repeating it here:

Given the same radius turn, taken at the same speed, under the same circumstances, would a Spyder with the BajaRon sway bar installed require less leaning into the turn by the rider, than a "stock" Spyder without the BajaRon sway bar would (because the Spyder will dip/roll less to the outside)?

If so, would that mean that you could theoretically take the turn at a higher speed with the BajaRon sway bar, if you lean into the turn the same amount as without the swaybar? (I hope that my meaning is clear....)

Thanks!

The short answer is YES, you would require less leaning to take the turn at a given speed......

And that means that the short answer to your 'if so' question is also YES, but for both, there is quite a lot of that centrifugal force & physics stuff coming into play & really, you could spend days discussing the why's & wherefore's & most of us still wouldn't clearly understand exactly what was happening or how it applied here... hey, many of the World's experts in these fields (automotive suspension design AND physics) still argue about exactly what's going on!! :shocked:

But the end result is that, if all other things remained equal, a BajaRon bar equipped Spyder will allow the rider to take a given corner with less leaning than that needed on a Non-BajaRon equipped Spyder - and it sounds to me like that's really the crux of what you're after, isn't it?!? :dontknow:

Go for it, I sincerely doubt you'll regret it! :thumbup:

 

[Slowpoke387]

The short answer is YES, you would require less leaning to take the turn at a given speed......

And that means that the short answer to your 'if so' question is also YES, but for both, there is quite a lot of that centrifugal force & physics stuff coming into play & really, you could spend days discussing the why's & wherefore's & most of us still wouldn't clearly understand exactly what was happening or how it applied here... hey, many of the World's experts in these fields (automotive suspension design AND physics) still argue about exactly what's going on!! :shocked:

But the end result is that, if all other things remained equal, a BajaRon bar equipped Spyder will allow the rider to take a given corner with less leaning than that needed on a Non-BajaRon equipped Spyder - and it sounds to me like that's really the crux of what you're after, isn't it?!? :dontknow:

Go for it, I sincerely doubt you'll regret it! :thumbup:

ya that ^^^^^^^^^^^^:yes:

 

[newbert]

The short answer is YES, you would require less leaning to take the turn at a given speed......

And that means that the short answer to your 'if so' question is also YES, but for both, there is quite a lot of that centrifugal force & physics stuff coming into play & really, you could spend days discussing the why's & wherefore's & most of us still wouldn't clearly understand exactly what was happening or how it applied here... hey, many of the World's experts in these fields (automotive suspension design AND physics) still argue about exactly what's going on!! :shocked:

But the end result is that, if all other things remained equal, a BajaRon bar equipped Spyder will allow the rider to take a given corner with less leaning than that needed on a Non-BajaRon equipped Spyder - and it sounds to me like that's really the crux of what you're after, isn't it?!? :dontknow:

Go for it, I sincerely doubt you'll regret it! :thumbup:

Yes, you've grasped the crux of my questions. :thumbup: Thanks!

 

[Peteoz]

Yes, you've grasped the crux of my questions. :thumbup: Thanks!

So have you ordered it already?

Pete

 

[JerryWA]

I've noted some excessive lean to the front outside wheel in cornering with my new '17 F3.
Thanks to all you people for the good info regarding the BajaRon sway bar.
I still have a few questions: (Take it easy, I'm a newbie.)
If I understand it correctly, the installation of a BR sway bar will lessen the front end rolling to the outside of a turn?
If I purchase one, is it user friendly to install?
I have an appointment to have a laser alignment done soon. Should I wait until that is done to install the sway bar. or install the way bar before the alignment?
Thanks for your wise and all-knowing input.
JerryWA

 

[JerryB]

Hi Jerry,

Re: If I understand it correctly, the installation of a BR sway bar will lessen the front end rolling to the outside of a turn?

IMO yes. Some people call them torsion bars because it is the torque of the bar resisting twist that is what keeps the body from rolling over.

Re: is it user friendly to install?

Yes, I did mine myself. If you want some help with the install, let me know.

We could do it here at my place depending upon the tools that you have.

Re: Should I wait until that is done to install the sway bar. or install the way bar before the alignment?

I see no reason why a different sway bar has an effect on an alignment.

Re: Thanks for your wise and all-knowing input.

OK, let's not get carried away.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JerryWA]

Thanks, Jerry,
I watched a couple videos, and think I can install it. But when I go to BajaRon's ebay store, it says none of them are compatible with my '17 F3 SM6. AARRGGHH!

 

[BajaRon]

Thanks, Jerry,
I watched a couple videos, and think I can install it. But when I go to BajaRon's ebay store, it says none of them are compatible with my '17 F3 SM6. AARRGGHH!

eBay says they are not compatible because eBay's vehicle listings lag behind reality. But they will fit. Besides, you don't want to buy it from eBay anyway. Just email me at [email protected] and you'll save a good deal of money.

 

[BajaRon]

I've noted some excessive lean to the front outside wheel in cornering with my new '17 F3.
Thanks to all you people for the good info regarding the BajaRon sway bar.
I still have a few questions: (Take it easy, I'm a newbie.)
If I understand it correctly, the installation of a BR sway bar will lessen the front end rolling to the outside of a turn?
If I purchase one, is it user friendly to install?
I have an appointment to have a laser alignment done soon. Should I wait until that is done to install the sway bar. or install the way bar before the alignment?
Thanks for your wise and all-knowing input.
JerryWA

The say bar will have no affect on your alignment. so it doesn't matter if you get the bar first or the alignment first.

 

[JerryWA]

eBay says they are not compatible because eBay's vehicle listings lag behind reality. But they will fit. Besides, you don't want to buy it from eBay anyway. Just email me at [email protected] and you'll save a good deal of money.

Email sent.
Thanks for your response! It seems I found the right place for info on these fun machines.

 

[BajaRon]

Email sent.
Thanks for your response! It seems I found the right place for info on these fun machines.

You cannot beat this Spyderlovers forum for information on the Spyder. I don't think there is anyone else out there that can touch this place.

 

[JerryWA]

Where is Harry Potter when I need him to help install all of the new bits?:joke:

 

[JerryWA]

You cannot beat this Spyderlovers forum for information on the Spyder. I don't think there is anyone else out there that can touch this place.

WOW! After only a few days, I have had answers to all my queries, including solutions. I have been welcomed by some VARY nice folks, and even have a ride in planning.

I'm feeling so lucky that I'm going to ask if anyone has a few million $$ they don't need. I'd be happy to help them out. I know. It's a magnanimous gesture, but that's the kinda guy I am. :joke:

 

[I-Day]

I put Rons bar on and it made a noticeable difference to me!

 

[newbert]

So have you ordered it already?

Pete

I'm planning on having one installed at Spyderquest in September. Not sure how to make an appointment for it though - I haven't heard back.

 

[newbert]

Considering we have the same issues ill be the test mule for ya lol. I already bought mine, just waiting on the shocks. I think doing both is going to help. Prob be at least a week before they go on though.

Any updates? Have you had it installed yet?