.....and I carry.

[Dan_Ashley]

Dan, your missing the point. If simply carrying a gun will get you five years and the police don't carry guns why would any criminal go to the considerable trouble and huge expense of getting a gun? The minute you arm the police the criminal needs to carry, so the cop needs a bigger gun (or three), so the criminal wants a machine gun etc., etc. You just start an arms race.

In the last ten years we have only had one incident of a fatal shooting of the police and even then they wouldn't have stood a chance, guns or not.

The uk police don't want guns and generally resent the odd occasions when they do have to carry them.

The US clearly does not have the luxury of choice here. With more guns per head of population than just about anywhere and a similarly disastrous incidence of fatal shootings it is no wonder that every Tom, Dick or Harry with enough cash feels the need to have a gun!

I've always wanted to visit your country, but this discussion has put me off rather. A policeman shoots an unarmed drunk in Walmart and gets praised for doing his duty? A victim of a mass shooting by a madman with an assault rifle thinks the answer is more guns not less? You can't ride a motorcycle without packing a piece and you don't think there's anything wrong with that? Sure, you've crossed the Rubicon, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, but surely you can't be proud of what you're second amendment has created? Let alone call us sums for living in a country where the risk of getting shot by a criminal or a police officer is practically zero?

Oh and I don't live in England! Scotland is next door to England and both are constituent parts of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I don't own any guns. Gun ownership helps prevent totalitarian governments though.

 

[Sarge707]

A question: Do they have any sort of "Public Shooting Ranges" available? :dontknow:

And if they do; can you rent, or be loaned, a firearm during your visit to the place?

I doubt very much that Ranges where you have to pay to shoot a weapon (Gun) whose sole purpose is to Kill things would be the First thing people in the UK would be Stupid enough to Pay Hard Earned $$$ to do?opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:nojoke

 

[Bob Denman]

Just a thought... :dontknow:
Some folks; myself included, just enjoy target practice! :thumbup:

"Gun) whose sole purpose is to Kill things"...
:shocked: Wow... get a grip...
How much experience with firearms; do you even have?

 

[shelbydave]

Just a thought... :dontknow:
Some folks; myself included, just enjoy target practice! :thumbup:

"Gun) whose sole purpose is to Kill things"...
:shocked: Wow... get a grip...
How much experience with firearms; do you even have?

In his defense, they weren't invented / developed for target practice originally...

Not taking sides, just putting out the facts.

 

[Bob Denman]

I know...
But it's a very pleasant pasttime; not unlike bowling, but without the funny shoes!
The purpose: to hit a specific spot on a target.
Bowling; but with louder noises!

 

[Sarge707]

Just a thought... :dontknow:
Some folks; myself included, just enjoy target practice! :thumbup:

"Gun) whose sole purpose is to Kill things"...
:shocked: Wow... get a grip...
How much experience with firearms; do you even have?

I was an Advanced Infantry Drill Sergeant in the seventies and taught Patrolling, Ambushes and Escape and Evasion as my main subjects. Also ran my Guard Units Range Qualification as NCOIC and was responsible for an Armory Full of Weapons for 22 Years.nojoke

Besides having a 22 Rifle for home defense My Least favorite things to do are Walk in the Woods and Shoot a Weapon?:hun:

 

[Bob Denman]

Military usage of firearms is vastly different than law enforcement, or even civilian usages.
You have let that background; color your perceptions to an unwarranted degree.
But still; Thanks for serving! :thumbup:

 

[bruiser]

Did you ever shoot skeet like THIS??

:2thumbs:

No. But I stayed in a Holiday Inn. :roflblack:

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Military usage of firearms is vastly different than law enforcement, or even civilian usages.
You have let that background; color your perceptions to an unwarranted degree.
But still; Thanks for serving! :thumbup:

It is an interesting fact of societies, that those who refuse to kill, and also refuse to recognize the importance of being prepared, are the very same ones who hire others to kill for them. Our species is sadly prone to violence.

 

[bruiser]

Blame it all on the Chinese. They invented gunpowder and consequently, the earliest gunpowder weapons.

 

[Bob Denman]

Curiously enough; for a while, the British were laying claim to that invention as well...

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Blame it all on the Chinese. They invented gunpowder and consequently, the earliest gunpowder weapons.

Um....Al Gore invented the internet. Does he get blame for cyber crime?

 

[bruiser]

Interestingly, the use of gunpowder and gunpowder charged weapons spread from China through the Middle East then to Europe. It's first use in England was thought to be around the mid 1200s (13th. century). That's about as much history I can remember without reverting to looking up facts. Not bad for an old man.

 

[Bob Denman]

...Just before the onset of the Rennaissance; where art, beauty, science, and culture thrived! :thumbup:

 

[shelbydave]

Interestingly, the use of gunpowder and gunpowder charged weapons spread from China through the Middle East then to Europe. It's first use in England was thought to be around the mid 1200s (13th. century). That's about as much history I can remember without reverting to looking up facts. Not bad for an old man.

Been around a while? My memory only goes back to the '60s... :joke::joke:

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Been around a while? My memory only goes back to the '60s... :joke::joke:

That's better than my memory. Mine only goes back to breakfast...oh...wait.

 

[crazyspyder]

uugh-uugha

:gaah: it's the nature of MAN- BTW Neanderthal invented the ole spark by accident while making music with two ole rocks ....who knew?:roflblack: :dontknow::roflblack: the first crime came afterwards.....:roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

Been around a while? My memory only goes back to the '60s... :joke::joke:

That's far enough... :2thumbs:

 

[Cavman]

I plan to go to a range on Thursday at SpyderFest for some target practice. :yes:

 

[Bob Denman]

Cool! :2thumbs:
What are you bringing along?