A little less saftey Please!!!!!!!

[Bob Denman]

I look at the bells and whistles on the Spyder in the same way. The computers allow the Spyder to be what it is, and ride like it does.

I actually met one of the engineers who worked on front end geometries during the development of the Spyder. They spent CUBIC dollars :shocked: getting it to work right, and the VSS saved the project.
Without Nanny, this vehicle would not exist, so :agree:

But it's still a shame that this is what it has all boiled down to... :gaah:

 

[NancysToy]

.....Normal street bikes do not have cornering controls yet they sell some of those I am told.

Motorcycles have the advantage of gyroscopic stabilty, which 3-Wheelers don't. There is a reason 3-wheel ATVs are no longer sold.

.....I strongly disagree with the contention that the Nanny dumbs the vehicle down.

:agree: A good rider or driver learns to wring the maximum out of the equipment he has, whether it is a 50 cc roadrace bike, or a 2,500 hp top fuel car. A smooth rider with the right setup will seldom set off the nanny on a Spyder...and will often use it to his/her advantage.

.....isn't it the case that the VSS and the Spyder were built/designed in tandem?

Sorry, that's not the case. The basic VSS was a Bosch product, which BRP adapted for Spyder use. I do believe that BRP embellished it, however. My understanding is that the first protypoe Spyders made clear the need for the Vehicle Stability System, so the Bosch system was researched and adapted.

 

[Bob Denman]

Please don't try to compare ANY ATC to a Spyder... The obvious differences in their architecture makes it impossible...
Now if you want to compare them to a Tri-Glide...:thumbup:

 

[daveinva]

Sorry, that's not the case. The basic VSS was a Bosch product, which BRP adapted for Spyder use. I do believe that BRP embellished it, however. My understanding is that the first protypoe Spyders made clear the need for the Vehicle Stability System, so the Bosch system was researched and adapted.

Never apologize for educating us, Scotty! :thumbup:

Although I take it that Bob's point is correct: without the VSS, there's no Spyder. Anyone know how long BRP worked on the design before they said, "Nope, not working right" and adopted the VSS?

 

[Bob Denman]

I specified ATCs for a reason...
There's no comparison that can made with them and a Spyder
But I often DO compare Spyders and ATVs . This comparison is a valid one. :thumbup:
...and looking back through the prior posts I see now that the discussion wasn't as much about the feel of the bikes, but rather the consequences of selling them... pps: My bad!

 

[zrc]

Dave,

Every time I get a wheel off the ground the nanny gets mad, and yes, Im serious.

Food for thought

 

[ARtraveler]

How about thinking of the :spyder2: as a Raptor or Steath fighter. Neither would fly if they were not controlled by their computers to keep them in the air. Even the big airliners are mostly computer driven these days.

 

[daveinva]

How about thinking of the :spyder2: as a Raptor or Steath fighter. Neither would fly if they were not controlled by their computers to keep them in the air. Even the big airliners are mostly computer driven these days.

Scroll up-- I already used that analogy, I call dibs

 

[ARtraveler]

I truely missed your earlier post using the fighter plane analogy. I apologize for coming up with the same analogy. Is this another example of "great minds think alike"? :roflblack::roflblack:

 

[daveinva]

I truely missed your earlier post using the fighter plane analogy. I apologize for coming up with the same analogy. Is this another example of "great minds think alike"? :roflblack::roflblack:

Indeed it is!

 

[Bob Denman]

OK so what is an ATC?

All-Terrain Cycle... One wheel up front and two in the back. VERY popular from the early seventies into the mid-eighties... when the 4 wheeled ATVs rolled over them in the marketplace.

 

[daveinva]

All-Terrain Cycle... One wheel up front and two in the back. VERY popular from the early seventies into the mid-eighties... when the 4 wheeled ATVs rolled over them in the marketplace.

In no small part because the 3 wheeled ATCs were rolling over the consumers. :joke:

 

[GoFaster]

Thanks for the help

Thanks to everyone for your 2 cents. The list of 4 things makes sense and I will try those first. My inexperience on the spyder i'm sure has a lot to do with the nanny trigger. As I thought there are people that will say leave it alone and let the built-in safety's work and enjoy the ride and then the group i'm in make it your own and thrash the livin crap out of it. I'm a big horsepower sledder and technique is everything and the comparison to sledding is what drew me to the spyder. So this summer's worth of riding and more money and I'm sure I will be happier. Thanks Everyone, Dave

 

[Bob Denman]

Dave,
Big Horsepower sledder?? I would LOVE to know more...
(A sledder since the mid-sixties...) :thumbup:

 

[arntufun]

There is a riding lawn mower dirt race track not to far from me that I would love to play on, but the nanny is always a big party pooper.

If the nanny isn't talking to you at least once a ride, then your not riding her hard enough. :doorag:

 

[Bob Denman]

I am sure BRP spent a lot of time on the design as the steering is quite tricky (took me 4 tries and a year to get it right) QUOTE]

Stealth,
I am pretty sure that we'd all like to see what you built...

 

[GoFaster]

Turbo Fun

This last year I did something completely different. I wanted a 4 stroke, tired of 2 stroke problems and short life when modded. So I ride Polaris and if you want 4 stroke you have to go with the Webber motor Turbo. I was skeptical but found a really nice low mi. 07 144 switchback and started from there. Drove it stock for a little while to compare against my 2 buddies sleds I ride with, 2010 etec 800 ski-do renegade and 09 yam apex 162. Last year the etec could smoke me (900 switchback) and the apex. With the stock turbo I can let the etec head start and I can run him down in less than 100 ft. He now won't drag race me anymore. So he's buying a new sled to fix that and I'm tearing into the turbo to see if I can get to 200 hp and stretch it to 155.

 

[Bob Denman]

I'd say that is MAJOR horsepower... :bowdown::firstplace::bowdown:
Back in the early nineties, I took my '92 XCR 440 and sent the motor out for a bore and stroke job (520cc)... ended up boring the carbs, twin pipes, clutching and gearing mods alone took a year to sort out...
But it was a righteous ride for the day... I could play with the 650s and embarass them at will...
Of course it doesn't match up to anything today though... One's reign at the top is fleeting at best... pps:

 

[Grandpa Spyder]

Safety

I chose the Can Am :spyder2: because of all of the safety features it has. Otherwise I may have gone a different route. I am old and I don't mind being looked after by a Nanny.:yes:

 

[Firefly]

I agree it seems the electronics are slightly problematic and mostly unneeded. I have to imagine the main basis for all the controls is product liability. The CAN-AM is an offshoot of the snowmobile experience at Bombardier so the major worry was lawsuits due this relatively new and uncharted development.

Neither of my RT's have any computer controls except for ignition and they are as safe and easy to control as any of the 50 plus motorcycles I have owned. In fact more so would be a better comparison. I have no problems with road surfaces like loose gravel, dirt roads on the RT's but on a large standard MC that's another story.

On my normal two wheelers going into a corner is a judgment call on my part not the computers. I know what to do based on experience and common sense. The same holds true for the Trike.

Where is it written that all driving must be computer controlled? when did we stop using human instincts and experience? My car doesn't drive itself or warn me that I am drive too fast in a corner. The breaking glass and crinkling steel is my real warning

Unfortunately just mentioning any of this is going to create a "you're going to die" landslide but then again I speak from experience, live in a dangerous world and type on a computer keyboard.

Are you saying you disabled the nanny on your RT's. .?


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