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A little less saftey Please!!!!!!!
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WelcomE and no not yet if ever.
CyncySpyder
Teddys favorite human
Welcome to the Spyder-Hood
The Spyder isn't like anything else on the road & is heavily controlled by its computer based safety features to make it a safe option for road use. You may want to get into contact with either SethO or docduru as I know both of them share your feelings, otherwise, it IS what it IS :shocked:
The Spyder isn't like anything else on the road & is heavily controlled by its computer based safety features to make it a safe option for road use. You may want to get into contact with either SethO or docduru as I know both of them share your feelings, otherwise, it IS what it IS :shocked:
Firefly
Active member
:welcome:
Reprogramming isn't an option. Running without sensors can be done, but as one who has ridden a Spyder that way....trust me....it's not safe. The more you ride, the more you'll learn tricks to push the envelope. Various modifications can help.....shocks....fuel controllers....exhausts, etc.... If the nanny is going off that much, try cranking your shocks up firmer for starters.
joet82
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Also, you can learn what kinds of movements/reactions triggers the nanny and work to keep the nanny off.
A few tricks I have learned with corners...depending on my speed, lean/ slide my butt into the corners and stay on the gas. I have learned that putting weight on the outside tire will trigger the nanny, as well as getting completely off the gas. If you stay on the gas, it seems it keeps the nanny off.
A few tricks I have learned with corners...depending on my speed, lean/ slide my butt into the corners and stay on the gas. I have learned that putting weight on the outside tire will trigger the nanny, as well as getting completely off the gas. If you stay on the gas, it seems it keeps the nanny off.
daveinva
New member
Again, I feel really lame. Do you all really set the nanny off constantly? I *never* set it off, I almost wonder if it's even *on*. :dontknow:
And nooo, I'm not some shift at 4500, drive in the slow lane to the blue plate special Spyder rider-- I flog the :cus: out of my bike.
What gives? Do I have the magical Spyder or am I just that good? :doorag:
:joke:
And nooo, I'm not some shift at 4500, drive in the slow lane to the blue plate special Spyder rider-- I flog the :cus: out of my bike.
What gives? Do I have the magical Spyder or am I just that good? :doorag:
:joke:
joet82
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I have learned what triggers my Nanny and I'm not triggering it as much as I used to.
CyncySpyder
Teddys favorite human
Yeah, yur just an "Ole Phart" go ahead & admit it
The Nanny is fine with you flog'n the Spyder, high speed & straight aways, but in our experience, its more about cornerring, turning & get'n airborne :yikes: that the Nanny starts wag'n her finger at ya :lecturef_smilie: We rarely also get a visit from her, except again, when we get airborne :yes:
The Nanny is fine with you flog'n the Spyder, high speed & straight aways, but in our experience, its more about cornerring, turning & get'n airborne :yikes: that the Nanny starts wag'n her finger at ya :lecturef_smilie: We rarely also get a visit from her, except again, when we get airborne :yes:
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Im one who would recommend not fooling around with the built in safety features. They are there for a reason.
:welcome:
:welcome:
BajaRon
Well-known member
I think everyone (including me) has made this same request. But the truth is, you probably would not like the consequeses. Having talked to some of the BRP test riders (who had switchable Nannies at one time) kept saying things like "Lawn Dart" and "You would not like it".
So, S-M-O-O-T-H is the word. The smoother you ride into and out of corners the less your Nanny will hound you. Here are some more positive things you can do to tame the Nanny without doing the very dangerous "Turn Her Off" option.
1. Heavier Sway Bar
2. Crank up the stock shocks/or better-put new RT shocks on/ or better still-put Elkas on
3. Put 18~20 psi in the front tires and 20~24 psi in the rear tire.
4. Learn to ride smooth. Nanny does not like sudden or jerky moves.
It's not a marraige made in heaven, but it's a combination where you need her more than she needs you!
hyea: (I think my wife feels the same way!) :dontknow:
So, S-M-O-O-T-H is the word. The smoother you ride into and out of corners the less your Nanny will hound you. Here are some more positive things you can do to tame the Nanny without doing the very dangerous "Turn Her Off" option.
1. Heavier Sway Bar
2. Crank up the stock shocks/or better-put new RT shocks on/ or better still-put Elkas on
3. Put 18~20 psi in the front tires and 20~24 psi in the rear tire.
4. Learn to ride smooth. Nanny does not like sudden or jerky moves.
It's not a marraige made in heaven, but it's a combination where you need her more than she needs you!
hyea: (I think my wife feels the same way!) :dontknow:
Grandpa Spyder
New member
I think everyone (including me) has made this same request. But the truth is, you probably would not like the consequeses. Having talked to some of the BRP test riders (who had switchable Nannies at one time) kept saying things like "Lawn Dart" and "You would not like it".
So, S-M-O-O-T-H is the word. The smoother you ride into and out of corners the less your Nanny will hound you. Here are some more positive things you can do to tame the Nanny without doing the very dangerous "Turn Her Off" option.
1. Heavier Sway Bar
2. Crank up the stock shocks/or better-put new RT shocks on/ or better still-put Elkas on
3. Put 18~20 psi in the front tires and 20~24 psi in the rear tire.
4. Learn to ride smooth. Nanny does not like sudden or jerky moves.
It's not a marraige made in heaven, but it's a combination where you need her more than she needs you!
Some really good advice here, The :spyder2: is a very hi tech. machine. You really don't want to fool with it. Or you may end up like this:banghead:
Bob Denman
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Welcome to the Party! hyea: :yes:
About a year ago therese was, I believe, some discussions with Bosch trying to find a way to alter some of the programming... Nothing came of it; probably for a very good reason.
hyea: :yes:About a year ago therese was, I believe, some discussions with Bosch trying to find a way to alter some of the programming... Nothing came of it; probably for a very good reason.
daveinva
New member
Well there ya go, Ron-- I did/do all four of those, *no wonder* I never set my Nanny off!
Bob Denman
New member
Proof that great minds think alike; right Dave? :thumbup:
daveinva
New member
As I always say, great minds think alike... and so do ours. :joke:
Bob Denman
New member
It does seem to be a shame that there must be a collective effort to protect us from...us! :gaah:
First if BRP Couldn't fit the safety features on the Spyder you won't be riding one now, They would not been able to sell them .
Second, Can you imagine how many newbies new to open air riding [going though a second childhood] would be killing them self and others with out a nanny,
Then for sure the Spyder would be taken off the road.
Second, Can you imagine how many newbies new to open air riding [going though a second childhood] would be killing them self and others with out a nanny,
Then for sure the Spyder would be taken off the road.
daveinva
New member
Part of the reason for the Nanny is to make the Spyder *accessible*. Meaning, had BRP not included it, they would have had to market it to other dedicated motorcycle riders versus a broader market. It was a business decision, and by all lights, it paid off handsomely for them (and for us, seeing as they're still making them, and will hopefully do so for some time to come).
That said, I strongly disagree with the contention that the Nanny dumbs the vehicle down. I've ridden conventional trikes and hacks before, and the physical effort required and washout in corners makes riding either a very interesting proposition. Some people love them-- may God bless the mad!-- but conventional trikes and sidecar rigs have always been and dare I say always will be a niche market. The things strike *experienced motorcyclists* as insane... how do you think BRP would have marketed something that rode like that to the general public? They wouldn't have been able to.
Power steering is our friend (try riding two-wheels up without it and get back to us). Stability control is our friend, and as noted above, in a properly set-up and ridden Spyder, you can get a LOT out of the vehicle without ever encountering the Nanny. And if you push the envelope to the point that the Nanny *does* engage, trust us, you're going to be extremely happy that it did.
daveinva
New member
Oh, to take a tangent here, hopefully one of the graybeards will know the truth: isn't it the case that the VSS and the Spyder were built/designed in tandem?
Meaning, if BRP never had built the VSS, wouldn't the Spyder's geometry been very different?
From my understanding, it's a symbiotic relationship. The Spyder is shaped the way it is and handles the way it does because the VSS is integrated into the design. You *could* build a stripped down, no computer reverse trike, but it wouldn't be the Spyder-- it wouldn't look like it, wouldn't handle like it, wouldn't be the same vehicle. It's a package deal in order to achieve something that ridable.
To borrow an analogy, modern jet warplanes are fly-by-wire. They're built inherently unstable, i.e. they don't want to fly straight and level, they want to tip over and bank or dive at a moment's notice. Without the computer making all kinds of adjustments on the fly, adjustments completely hidden from what the pilot does, these planes would crash. But that aerodynamic instability pays off in making them far more maneuverable, faster and fuel efficient than an aerodynamically stable aircraft.
I look at the bells and whistles on the Spyder in the same way. The computers allow the Spyder to be what it is, and ride like it does.
Meaning, if BRP never had built the VSS, wouldn't the Spyder's geometry been very different?
From my understanding, it's a symbiotic relationship. The Spyder is shaped the way it is and handles the way it does because the VSS is integrated into the design. You *could* build a stripped down, no computer reverse trike, but it wouldn't be the Spyder-- it wouldn't look like it, wouldn't handle like it, wouldn't be the same vehicle. It's a package deal in order to achieve something that ridable.
To borrow an analogy, modern jet warplanes are fly-by-wire. They're built inherently unstable, i.e. they don't want to fly straight and level, they want to tip over and bank or dive at a moment's notice. Without the computer making all kinds of adjustments on the fly, adjustments completely hidden from what the pilot does, these planes would crash. But that aerodynamic instability pays off in making them far more maneuverable, faster and fuel efficient than an aerodynamically stable aircraft.
I look at the bells and whistles on the Spyder in the same way. The computers allow the Spyder to be what it is, and ride like it does.
Why, When BRP first tested the prototype the realized with out a nanny it's a no go.
They didn't want what happened to 3 wheel ATC's .
Most new Spyder owners air buying them and not a bike because they won't ride a bike for what ever the reason is.
As to bikes there's no doubt that with all the safety freaks out there ,If Motorcycles were just invented Today , They would for safety reasons be outlawed Tomorrow.
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