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A few observations, if I may.

Dick Wells

New member
Picked up my 08 last July, with 836 total miles on it. Never will know for sure, just why I'm the 3rd owner, but, I have a couple of suspicions.
* I doubt that the 1st two owners gave the bike a fair trial. Many aspects of an RS make it a beast to ride, especially early on.

* It had a rather large mouse nest in the air cleaner, from being stored for many months of those two years. Like, about a full quart container of seeds, pine needles, cones, hay, acorns, feathers, etc, etc! All this making for a pretty sour running engine'

* The riding position still "sucks", after 6K+ miles.

*The seat is a sorry excuse for a place to sit, especially for a bony old fart of 71 YOA.

* The Rotax is one rough engine; Hardly an improvement over a Hog! Balance shafts and still, a whole lot of buzz, at any RPM.

* The fuel mileage is a joke, at around 31 on my last 1200 mile jaunt up through the Texas Hill Country. No excuse for a 1 L engine, hauling that light a machine, with no more frontal area than a Spyder, and with only a fraction of that 106 HP being used, to be that much less eficient than a Harley, which weighs 200 lbs more, and has a larger engine, and getting over 40! And the 1000 lb Gold Wing, with every option you could dream up, got a strong 45!

Now: The things that I DO like.

* I don't fault the ride. I like the way it soaks up bumps, the bad seat aside.

*Handling is surprisingly good. Can't believe how it handles diagonal road irregularities! That, disregarding the lousy DPS. Wish there was a delete for that thing. Forgot to put the DPS in the rant list, above.

*I like the brakes, squeel and all.

* I like the clutch and transmission real well, and that includes the reverse, which I consider top-notch.

* I like the lights, but have to admit that I haven't followed a Spyder, so can't speak to how visible it is from the rear. I've learned to ride with the high beams on in the day-light, because my (guys) have told me that they couldn't see my low beams when I was behind them.

* The thing is a hot rod, and I don't want more power. I'd give up 40% of that power to gain a 30% increase in fuel mileage. If they were available, I'd buy a set of cams that would give some torque at lower revs and an increase in mileage and (especially), smoothness.

Kind of a summary, goes like this: I rode that Gold Wing, yesterday, and liked it, pretty well. But. The Spyder will romp all over the Ural side-car, and the Gold Wing, and the Harley Dresser, and the Honda 1100 Shadow that I rode with, on the way to the Hlls, and back. If I was to go back to a two-wheeler, it'd have to be something like a Beemer with a good long seat, and enough storage to be a decent tourer. I just don't think that I'd be happy on something as plush as the GW, even though that 1.8 Boxer Six is sooooo smooth, and quiet. Don't want no Hog. Got more than enough buzz to last me a lifetime, right here in the Spyder.

Thinking about putting some pegs/boards out where I'll need to replace some of the Tupper Ware, and see if I can live with the Spyder a little better. Can't afford to trade for a Cruiser, and don't even know if I'd like one.

At my age, the wow factor of having a bunch of kids and (mostly) old farts like me, come up and ask questions, and even take pictures, is not enough to make me say that I'm really happy on the Spyder, or to make me stop missing my two-wheeler.

Gee, I wish my wife would let me ride a "real" motocycle! Now, that ought to stir the pot!
 
lot's of things you just can't change but you can change your seating and riding position (one old fart to another). I raised the handle bars, withshield and added FloorBoard for a more cruiser feel.

Ride in comfort,

John
Seal FloorBoards
 
I added 4" risers, a hand brake, Corbin seat, floorboards, road pegs, backrests,Madstad 26" windshield, bags, racks, all the key performance & suspension mods - my final mod, which FINALLY yielded the comfort I needed for my knees - was to swap th RS for a RT S....

You either like crotch rockets/sport bikes, or you don't - I've concluded that you can never make a sport bike comfortable. Kinda like thinking you can put Harley forward controls on a ST1300...:coffee:
 
My recommendation after 40+ years of semi-seriouis riding: don't compare the :spyder: to a two-wheeler - it isn't and never will be the same. You'll never make it ride and handle like one. However, the tryke stance gives all of us more options than two-wheelers, like extending the ability to ride and enjoy our knees in the breeze for years longer than the alternative.

Many of the mod's on our '08 were trying to change a sport bike stance to be something different. Lot's of effort and $$$ with modest success. Ours was purchased in fall of '08 so the RT wasn't even being discussed.

We rode the 2009 HD FLHTCUTG (the HD factory Lehman trike conversion), a TrikeShop conversion, and researched just about every other brand of conversion out there, prior to purchasing the RS. The RS yielded a lot of confidence and fun factor the others didn't have. You can "ride" the :spyder:vs driving the rear-wheeled trike format. I still remember rolling one of the first Honda 3-wheel ATV's when they came out in 1972 by bouncing the inside rear wheel on a hard turn; yes, they had some other design flaws but I don't have the same confidence on a rear-wheel vs. front-wheel design.

p.s. We also have a 2010 Ultra (two-wheeler) and I've changed a lot of what you've described in the seating and handlebar arrangement even though it is a touring model. Can't change the engine vibration, much of it inherent to the shared v-twin design with the Rotax engine.

Wayne
 
the raised handlebars is clearly a critical step toward a more upright posture which most of us "more mature" (I still resist the term old fart) individuals enjoy...
 
*The seat is a sorry excuse for a place to sit, especially for a bony old fart of 71 YOA.

I know many people hate the stock seat. And I'm not saying there aren't better seats out there. But you CAN'T tell just by sitting on one. You've got to put some miles on a seat before you really know.

That said, I've put 21k+ on my stock seat. I'll be riding 2600 miles to LA to start the 9k+ Guts & Glory ride on my stock seat and the 1200+ miles home from the finish line in Maine (that's if I make it, of course).

All on a stock seat. I think the seat is fine. But everyones posterior is different. I guess mine is an inverted football! :yikes:
 
I forgot to ask if you have a SM or SE. The SE with the ISCI hand brake allows you to ride with a decent knee position, never having to take your feet off the road pegs - or really having to use your feet at all.

Add 4 to 5" risers and a decent windshield, and you're probably there.
:f_spider:
 
Just recently added seat beads to my RS. Very inexpensive solution to my long ride pains. Beads are not for everyone, but they worked for me. :ohyea:
 
Just recently added seat beads to my RS. Very inexpensive solution to my long ride pains. Beads are not for everyone, but they worked for me. :ohyea:

I've been considering trying those on my G&G ride. Worst case senerio, I give them to someone else if they don't work for me. Where did you get yours?
 
I've been considering trying those on my G&G ride. Worst case senerio, I give them to someone else if they don't work for me. Where did you get yours?


Debbie and I used to use http://www.beadrider.com/ seat beads and they worked good in spurts. We found the most comfort when we alternated riding with the BeadRider on and off the seat, swapping it every few fuel stops.
 
*Handling is surprisingly good. Can't believe how it handles diagonal road irregularities! That, disregarding the lousy DPS. Wish there was a delete for that thing. Forgot to put the DPS in the rant list, above.

There is a fix for the lousy DPS. There was a safety recall that replaces the DPS with a much better one, at no cost to you.

I can't believe I'm the first one to pick that up.............................
 
I've been considering trying those on my G&G ride. Worst case senerio, I give them to someone else if they don't work for me. Where did you get yours?
I use the BeadRider seat with my stock RT seat and think its great! I did put it away for the winter as it allows too much cold air on the backside, but its great in warmer weather. It is easy to remove but I usually keep it on for long periods in the summer. Really does improve comfort with the RT seat.
BeadRider makes the seat now with either wood or ceramic beads. I got the "Ultimate" ceramic bead version, size 14x14",
from Racer Parts Wholesale for about $50. Here's a shot of the seat on my RT....
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Well, I did say that I was probably going to stir the pot!:D Throwing snowballs? Whazat?

Guess a little more background data is in order. * It's an RS. * I have a 27" high and 27" wide windshield on it, which I recently raised another 3.5", because it was too low. (I'm 6' 0" tall, W 32" inseam, and weigh ~ 205 lbs. * No problems with buzz in the grips, with foam stretched over the OEM one's. *Some of the "feet going to sleep" has been taken care of with riding boots with thick soles and heels that let me "hook" onto the pegs. They also help to keep my knuckles from dragging on the ground, too. :D *I do have the large Air Hawk pad, and it sure helps. Also have one for the Old La----The Little Woman, too.

I don't mean to convey that all is bad with the :spyder2:. Places where it's "spirit" comes through the best are in, (don't laugh), the City and out in tight one-lane curves. It also occurs to me that, just maybe, there ain't gonna be any bike, two, or, three wheeled that this old body can tolerate for the long hawl any more. An hour isn't too bad, but from 1-1/2 to 3, it goes from barely tolerable to agony.

Now, at last count, I have ridden something like 25 different makes of motorcycles in my life; some just a few miles,and some, a whole lot more; and I can remember only a few that really got me excited. Yup, the Spyder can get me excited. Would have to be numb if it didn't. Just wish it wasn't so dang hard and EXPENSIVE to remedy the faults that it has.

Yes, I've had it in for the DPS upgrade, and no, they didn't put a new one in, and yes, I'll be going back in to have it checked and to see if I qualify for the complete change.

This page is a great "find". You're doing a wonderful job, here.:clap: Keep it up. Hope to meet some of you at the "Fest", and I know I'm sure to learn a lot during those few days. Thanks for the responses.
 
Well, I did say that I was probably going to stir the pot!:D Throwing snowballs? Whazat?



Yes, I've had it in for the DPS upgrade, and no, they didn't put a new one in, and yes, I'll be going back in to have it checked and to see if I qualify for the complete change.

This page is a great "find". You're doing a wonderful job, here.:clap: Keep it up. Hope to meet some of you at the "Fest", and I know I'm sure to learn a lot during those few days. Thanks for the responses.

If your Spyder hasn't had a new DPS your dealer needs to get you one, that was an actual recall.

Glad you found this site and I am sure you will find lots of useful information and may even be able to get your spyder more comfortable.
 
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