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2020 F3 Ltd Fuel Economy

McRuss

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With just over 1100 miles, I took it on a ride Sunday with my wife, about 120 miles. This was through the mountains, lots of 4th and 5th gear corners and a equal amount of 6th gear straights. When I checked the MPG's today, it showed 48.9 MPG for the trip/tank. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, just surprised that it was that high. I'm used to getting 40's with my FJR1300 and 70's with my Vespa 300 but the F3 is so much heavier and with two up, I expected low to mid 30's.

So the question is: how accurate is the computer for MPG?
 
With just over 1100 miles, I took it on a ride Sunday with my wife, about 120 miles. This was through the mountains, lots of 4th and 5th gear corners and a equal amount of 6th gear straights. When I checked the MPG's today, it showed 48.9 MPG for the trip/tank. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, just surprised that it was that high. I'm used to getting 40's with my FJR1300 and 70's with my Vespa 300 but the F3 is so much heavier and with two up, I expected low to mid 30's.

So the question is: how accurate is the computer for MPG?

IMHO the gauge ( like soooooooooo many others of this type ) is really S.W.A.G. ...... Good luck .... Mike :thumbup:
 
my Honda has MPG readout, that bike and spyder is just a "about" readout. I always use gal /miles, and always try to fill up same level if trying to track mpg
 
... So the question is: how accurate is the computer for MPG?

Isn't that really TWO very different questions: How accurate is the computer? And how accurate is the fuel gauge? In every vehicle I have had, the computer is dead-on accurate, but the gauge is only an approximation.
 
I now have 8,000 miles on my 2019 F3L. Last time I checked, about a week ago, I was getting 40 mpg.

The self calculating tripmeters are never on the money, IMO. I always fill my tank to the same level, zero the tripmeter, and take the miles driven divided by the number of gallons. I don't go crazy with decimals either. 4.23586 gallons is 4.2 Since the fill up part is NOT an exact science, the numbers should be close enough for the average person.

My answer to the computer question is NOT. :roflblack:

My 2014 RT gets slightly better, about 2 to 3 tenths mpg more. That one has 43,000 on it now.
 
I average 37-40 mpg on my 18 F3L. Only way to tell for sure is do the math. Gallons you pump in devided by how many miles you rode. I dont rely on those gizmos.
 
I recently got back from a 3.3k trip on my 2019 F3-S. I have a PV3 map installed that was tweaked by Fuel Moto. My bike was loaded up with Shad side bags/Lamonster luggage rack with Kappa 56L top case/loaded frunk and Madstad 20" windshield. On the Nebraska/SD interstates, at 80 mph, I averaged right around 30 mpg. At 65-70 mph, I averaged around 33-34. At 55-60 mph I was right around the 36 mpg mark. I wasn't unhappy with that, considering I have the 89t rear pulley. At 80 mph, I'm turning right at 4500 rpm's ....
 
So the question is: how accurate is the computer for MPG?

No, just one question. I know how inaccurate the gas gauge is on ANY bike! I was speaking about the MPG computer (push joystick to the right twice....etc.) I have now started to calculate MPG the way I always have, dividing gallons by miles....oh wait a minute....maybe its miles divided by gallons. Whatever, it's the manual way. But to be even more accurate, given that its hard to put in fuel to the same level every time, I need to know what the odometer error is. Next time I'm on a highway with mile posts, I'll calculate that. I've found that most bikes are between 1 and 2% off which amounts to about a mile or two every 100. OK, I know, picking nits now! But it's the anal side that wants to know as accurately as possible.
 
Okay McRuss - I'll play your game. I like to tinker with the numbers, although my use of a General Altimax RT-43 rear tire on my 15 RT with 27 psi cold pressure in the rear tire will get a different number than what you will get with your specific setup.

Next time I get on I-25 headed south to the border, I'll zero the trip meter and see what my odometer trip miles are for the 94 mile trip south to Raton pass. Or I'll zero and see what the 160 mile trip measures to the Kansas state line on highway 50. I do know that my speed registers 66 mph when I am actually going 65 mph based on the Garmin GPS, but I think that the electronic factors for distance might be close to accurate versus the speed factor correction. But - Now I'm curious????;)
 
Okay McRuss - I'll play your game. I like to tinker with the numbers, although my use of a General Altimax RT-43 rear tire on my 15 RT with 27 psi cold pressure in the rear tire will get a different number than what you will get with your specific setup.

Next time I get on I-25 headed south to the border, I'll zero the trip meter and see what my odometer trip miles are for the 94 mile trip south to Raton pass. Or I'll zero and see what the 160 mile trip measures to the Kansas state line on highway 50. I do know that my speed registers 66 mph when I am actually going 65 mph based on the Garmin GPS, but I think that the electronic factors for distance might be close to accurate versus the speed factor correction. But - Now I'm curious????;)

How does your Altimax car tire ride with 27 psi cold tire pressure in it ??
 
Rides Good

How does your Altimax car tire ride with 27 psi cold tire pressure in it ??

The 27 psi cold works for me and my 220 lbs plus gear on the roads we ride - probably a little firm for some, but I got 22,000 miles on the last one. The wife rides her F3T and Altimax on the rear at 24 psi cold and we enjoy the twisties in the mountains with good grip. She only has about half the weight and is good with her Formoza /General
combo.

The temps on my RT build about 3 psi cold to warm temps on a 90 degree day highway run - more in the twisties.. IMG_1583[1].jpg

ps - 40C is 104 F so a cooler running tire gets me more wear life.
 
No, just one question. I know how inaccurate the gas gauge is on ANY bike! I was speaking about the MPG computer (push joystick to the right twice....etc.) I have now started to calculate MPG the way I always have, dividing gallons by miles....oh wait a minute....maybe its miles divided by gallons. Whatever, it's the manual way. But to be even more accurate, given that its hard to put in fuel to the same level every time, I need to know what the odometer error is. Next time I'm on a highway with mile posts, I'll calculate that. I've found that most bikes are between 1 and 2% off which amounts to about a mile or two every 100. OK, I know, picking nits now! But it's the anal side that wants to know as accurately as possible.

If yer anal, "whatever" isn't part of your vocabulary. ;) The difference in fill level is maybe less than .1 gallon. Not enough to affect your calculations. Use a GPS to measure miles, or your fone if that's what you need for accuracy. My ODO is a good match to my Garmin for miles which is good enough for me. There are a number of variables - altitude - acceleration rate - load - up to Pike's Peak or back down to the plains - ambient temp.
 
No, just one question. I know how inaccurate the gas gauge is on ANY bike! I was speaking about the MPG computer (push joystick to the right twice....etc.) I have now started to calculate MPG the way I always have, dividing gallons by miles....oh wait a minute....maybe its miles divided by gallons. Whatever, it's the manual way. But to be even more accurate, given that its hard to put in fuel to the same level every time, I need to know what the odometer error is. Next time I'm on a highway with mile posts, I'll calculate that. I've found that most bikes are between 1 and 2% off which amounts to about a mile or two every 100. OK, I know, picking nits now! But it's the anal side that wants to know as accurately as possible.

The fact that your odometer/trip meter isn't EXACTLY accurate shouldn't be a real issue, cos that inaccuracy won't vary much at all over time, so your 'measured miles travelled' will almost always be directly comparable to any other 'measured miles travelled' that you've recorded from the same odo/trip meter.... unless maybe you've fitted new tires recently?? Cos that will vary the 'miles measured', albeit usually only a tiny amount if you stick with the same brand/type/size of tires, but possibly as much as maybe a few percent if you've changed tire brands &/or sizes.... Still, since your Odometer/trip meter is pretty much ALWAYS going to be consistent in its inaccuracies, and it's NEVER going to be EXACTLY accurate anyway, you might as well just use the trip meter reading to record your 'distance travelled or measured miles travelled' & simply work off that - trying to get your 'measured miles travelled' any more accurate will rapidly see you spiralling down a rabbit hole chasing after an always elusive & never truly achievable exactitude!! :gaah: Altho if you are riding in an area with good satellite reception all the time & you have a proper GPS with multi-satellite reception capabilities that stays on all the time rather than a 'street directory' type GPS, then you could use the distance travelled between fuel stops that it records?! Maybe... :rolleyes:

Regardless, in most cases, those 'dash computer generated' instantaneous MPG readings are even more inaccurate & pretty much always significantly more inconsistent than working out your average miles per gallon over 5 or more tanks of gas using however much fuel you've used over however many miles (even if you've manually calculated that mpg using 'known to be inaccurate distances due to speedo/odo inaccuracies' and the inaccuracies that are found between different gas pumps figures!) simply because the computer will be working off those same 'inaccurate' distance travelled figures anyway, PLUS they'll also be using the most recent instantaneous fuel use readings supplied by your injector system!! There is some 'averaging' of that which varies between make/models of vehicle &/or computer, but it's always weighted heavily towards the most recent fuel flows based upon your most recent driving, so if you back off on the throttle as you gently coast to a stop you'll usually see a better MPG reading than if you've just been working the engine & blasting thru the twisties high up in the rev range & you then just pull up & instantly shut down!! Of course, the better the software & the greater the computer control, the better that computer generated MPG reading can be, but it will ALWAYS be biased towards your most recent riding, so it's not necessarily all that great an MPG reading to go by when working out something like a 'safe ryding range between fuel stops', cos it's nowhere near a 'long term average' and if you rely on achieving that sort of milage over a full tank under different riding conditions, you might well end up walking!! :lecturef_smilie:

Same thing applies to working out your fuel economy on just ONE tank of gas & relying on that for your 'safe ryding range between fuel stops' - it might not be quite so 'instantaneously biased', but it's still going to be a figure worked out over your most recent riding - so if it looks really good cos you've just done a couple of hundred miles riding lightly loaded with the wind behind you on the open highway travelling at 50 mph, then relying on achieving that same MPG to work out your expected range while riding into the wind with a full load & your pillion passenger aboard as you blast thru some high speed twisties at or close to peak revs all the time is probably gonna see you walking well before you ever expected to run outta gas!! :gaah:

To give yourself a reliable & helpful 'average fuel economy' figure, you need to keep a record of how much gas goes in at every fill-up, how many miles you've travelled on that much gas, and you need to use at least a few tanks-full to arrive at a meaningful & useful average. Do that religiously and keep refining the average as you go, and your 'average fuel economy' figure will get better and better over time! :ohyea: Sure, it'll vary up & down a little as your ryding style, conditions, & loads change for each ride, but the more tanks of gas & miles covered that you use, the 'more accurate' it gets - but be warned, it still might not cover you for those odd infrequent occasions when the roads/conditions are so much fun (or tough), your load is so high, or you ride so hard that your machine is working at it's absolute limits all the time; and on the other end of the scale, you might occasionally get absobloodylutely phenomenal range because everything worked together to make saaay, 500 miles on a tank of gas possible just this once! :shocked:
 
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