2017 base model F3 horsepower

[Hendo]

Does anyone know how the took five horse out of the base model F3?

Can an it be modified to add back in?


Edit: Here are the specs....depending on rpm it may actually be 10 horse that they pulled out.
F3: 105 hp (78 3 kW) @ 6000 RPM F3-S: 115 hp (85 8 kW) @ 7250 RPM

 

[Chupaca]

Interesting. ...

Didn't know that they did..:dontknow: but the 998 v-twin had 106 then dropped to 100 hp don't know why...:banghead: so that means you only have 110 hp....

 

[Al Gully]

The last time I looked, it stated there was 115HP. Where did you see that they lowered it.
Edit, my bad I have the Limited model and you were talking about the base model.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

My Daytona has 115 HP. Probably in the software of the ECM. And I doubt anything can be done about it.

 

[Shifter]

at the crank or the back wheel?

 

[Peter Aawen]

Didn't the base model in North America also come with the different sized rear pulley??

There was some discussion about it earlier on the Forum, but since I don't think we even get it here in Aus, I didn't really follow it to find out more?!?

 

[jcthorne]

Does anyone know how the took five horse out of the base model F3?

Can an it be modified to add back in?


Edit: Here are the specs....depending on rpm it may actually be 10 horse that they pulled out.
F3: 105 hp (78 3 kW) @ 6000 RPM F3-S: 115 hp (85 8 kW) @ 7250 RPM

The
base model is limited in the ECM. There is no way to change it back at this time. The base model also has a smaller rear drive pulley so smaller ratio, less acceleration. Test ride one of each and the difference is very noticeable. There were a number of other cost cutting measures on the base model for 17 to help bring the price down to its new entry point.

 

[Bob Denman]

at the crank or the back wheel?

Crank... nobody from any factory talks about rear-wheel horsepower.

 

[blacklightning]

I read earlier that the entry level F3 was actually rated at only 100 hp instead of the 115 that the standard F3 has.
As for the RS going from 106 back in 08-12, and then going to 100 in the 13-16, you should notice that they also lowered the redline rpm on the bike also. In exchange for the 6 hp that the newer V-Twin lost, they claim there is more tq. (80 in the later years, and 77 in the earlier)
I often wondered why the hp and tq. difference in the same engine that was used in the RT and RS from 2010 to 2012.
The numbers game has been used by all the companies. I am a big Mustang fan. I remember when ford had the 225 hp 5.0 in the 87 fox body mustang. Nothing changed, but in 93 the hp was revised to 215. It was rumored that in 93 they went away from forged pistons, but I don't see that being a negative in such low powered (in todays world) V8 engines.
A friend of mine has a 2015 RSS, and I have a 2012 RSS. According to the spec sheets, I should have 6 more hp, 3 fewer tq. and 100 less pounds of weight. We plan on putting them to the test when the weather gets better.

 

[Rogue Hawk]

The
base model is limited in the ECM. There is no way to change it back at this time. The base model also has a smaller rear drive pulley so smaller ratio, less acceleration. Test ride one of each and the difference is very noticeable. There were a number of other cost cutting measures on the base model for 17 to help bring the price down to its new entry point.

New entry point? So they dropped the price?

 

[Bob Denman]

I read earlier that the entry level F3 was actually rated at only 100 hp instead of the 115 that the standard F3 has.
As for the RS going from 106 back in 08-12, and then going to 100 in the 13-16, you should notice that they also lowered the redline rpm on the bike also. In exchange for the 6 hp that the newer V-Twin lost, they claim there is more tq. (80 in the later years, and 77 in the earlier)

The change in the horsepower ratings for the later RS series bikes, is because they went to the 991 series engine (developed from the 106 horsepower 990 series...), that was tuned for use in the touring bikes. It was felt that by bringing the torque and horsepower peaks down to a lower rpm level; they'd be more useful in the touring RT. (and the ST, when it was introduced.)
Parts commonality across all three model lines in 2013, made a lot of sense to them.

 

[Deer Slayer]

Power to weight the RS-S is still the king. The F3 types just keep getting fatter with bags etc. Weight eats horses. Go fast and handle better, take off the weight.

 

[jcthorne]

New entry point? So they dropped the price?

Yes,
They dropped the price of the base model F3 for 2017 to try and fill the gap left by dropping the RS.

 

[Bob Denman]

Power to weight the RS-S is still the king. The F3 types just keep getting fatter with bags etc. Weight eats horses. Go fast and handle better, take off the weight.

I'm not sure that I fully believe the accuracy of the 100 pound weight gain. nojoke
Marketing folks are famous for lying about the numbers, and a simple directive from management to remove the inaccuracy from the numbers might account for this.
The snowmobile manufacturers gave out some pretty crazy numbers for years. Once they finally started adding a bit of accuracy to them; folks saw increases of as much as 60 pounds... :yikes:

...With NO changes to the sled! :dontknow:

 

[blacklightning]

Power to weight the RS-S is still the king. The F3 types just keep getting fatter with bags etc. Weight eats horses. Go fast and handle better, take off the weight.

I have to agree with you there. I test drove a F3T extensively. And while it did wow me compared to my RT, I don't think it can stand a chance against my RSS. Straight line acceleration is good on both, but the twisties is where the RSS would probably leave the F3 group. I will be taking the RT to the mountains in April with the wife. But that will be for cruising. In June, I will take the RSS and give my 2 wheeled buddies a run for their money. But in October (if the wife doesn't go), I will be on the RSS and hopefully get a chance to compare it in the curves to some of you guys on F3's at the Spyder Rally:doorag:.

 

[T.P.]

You guys should talk to Lamont, He knows about ECM's and how a trigger wheel mods work on Honda Valkyries. I was going to ask him last Fall while at Spyders in the Ozarks but didn't get the chance.

T.P.