2015 RS

[Bob Denman]

They could also (After giving the RS-S an infusion of power and technology), reposition the bas RS as a beginner's ride...
The ACE600 inline twin under the Tupperware...
Now they'de have a serious decision to make:
SE or SM transmission?
The SM would be cheaper
The SE would attract new riders due to easier operation...
Which way would YOU like to see them go with it? :dontknow:

 

[DragonLorD]

SE6

They could also (After giving the RS-S an infusion of power and technology), reposition the bas RS as a beginner's ride...
The ACE600 inline twin under the Tupperware...
Now they'de have a serious decision to make:
SE or SM transmission?
The SM would be cheaper
The SE would attract new riders due to easier operation...
Which way would YOU like to see them go with it? :dontknow:

from my own experience, riding manuals all the time when i got my hands on the Spyder with SE5 it was a love on first sight and never looked back since, transmission on both SE and SM is exact the same it's just the addition of SE module what makes a difference and BRP charges well for that however as it was mentioned here before i don't see price of Spyder to be relevant at all here, all of us who wanted a Spyder got one if we could afford it and those who couldn't waited a bit for second hand ones. Also i can't see any of BRP products to be cheap or affordable even, they all pretty much on the top with prices.
150 hp power unit with 150 mph max at least and 180 mph for super-charged limited edition and nanny works from 35 mph up only, able to do 0-60 in less than 3.5s and be able to keep up with the rest of the wolfs there after - that is all i truly believe it takes to attract sporty riders to Spyder market:thumbup:

 

[Dochands]

Very disappointed that the RS is the poor forgotten entry level bike now. The RT has always seemed bloated to me in comparison to its original cousin and I have never wanted one. But the power has gone to the RT and nothing has really changed on the RS.

Curiously, the Rotax engineer from Germany who rode my turbo a couple of years ago said they could and would make one if there was interest but I fear the RS as a superbike is a dream because grandpa wants to pretend to be young forever on his RT. So the money will pour into the RT and the RS will probably just disappear.

 

[DragonLorD]

Very disappointed that the RS is the poor forgotten entry level bike now. The RT has always seemed bloated to me in comparison to its original cousin and I have never wanted one. But the power has gone to the RT and nothing has really changed on the RS.

Curiously, the Rotax engineer from Germany who rode my turbo a couple of years ago said they could and would make one if there was interest but I fear the RS as a superbike is a dream because grandpa wants to pretend to be young forever on his RT. So the money will pour into the RT and the RS will probably just disappear.

you couldn't have said it better,

how much difference turbo gives you in comparison to stock? - reliability?

 

[otter28169]

Very disappointed that the RS is the poor forgotten entry level bike now. The RT has always seemed bloated to me in comparison to its original cousin and I have never wanted one. But the power has gone to the RT and nothing has really changed on the RS.

Curiously, the Rotax engineer from Germany who rode my turbo a couple of years ago said they could and would make one if there was interest but I fear the RS as a superbike is a dream because grandpa wants to pretend to be young forever on his RT. So the money will pour into the RT and the RS will probably just disappear.

As an RS-S owner, maybe I should get used to being disappointed :banghead: . But I am going to make sure they here me before they kill the best model of the bunch.

 

[Dochands]

There have been issues with the turbo. Had to add a Powercommander and it still is not set up entirely right. Again it is good technology but Hi Performance has never received the interest they hoped for so it is languishing like the RS.

A six speed 1330 RS would be sweet but I don't hold out much hope but a year from now we will all know.

 

[daveinva]

A six speed 1330 RS would be sweet but I don't hold out much hope but a year from now we will all know.

Again, if the reports of the 1330 are right, NONE of you gentlemen want it in the RS-- it's all torque and grunt, not HP and RPM.

Of course they can re-tune it, but if you all are after a "liter sportsbike" engine in the RS, I'd be genuinely surprised if the 1330 will scratch that itch.

Besides, does anyone even know if this engine will even fit under the RS skin yet? :dontknow:

 

[spydaman60]

Again, if the reports of the 1330 are right, NONE of you gentlemen want it in the RS-- it's all torque and grunt, not HP and RPM.

Of course they can re-tune it, but if you all are after a "liter sportsbike" engine in the RS, I'd be genuinely surprised if the 1330 will scratch that itch.

Besides, does anyone even know if this engine will even fit under the RS skin yet? :dontknow:

most likely it wouldn't fit under the hood, but if it did, the 6 speed and the additional mileage would be well worth the wait. :thumbup: (not to mention the longer service intervals)

 

[Orange monster]

One problem with a turbocharged spyder would be location of the turbo. If they tried to locate it under the plastic then you are just adding more heat. Turbo's generate a lot of heat and require cool air to perform at their best. Most companies are using intercoolers to help cool the incoming air. The existing turbo system for the spyder is located outside the plastic on the exhaust/muffler pipe and is not very attractive. If Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki can all build bike motors in the 1000cc range that put out 150hp to 200hp NA surely Can am can too.

 

[Kratos]

You guys are upset now.....but they are gonna blow you away next year. Mark my words.......something BIG is brewing for the RS. Mark my words....

 

[billrob71]

Did some looking at that aerocharger turbo kit and it's only up to 2012 RS models as of now, but the cost of kit is pricey but comparing it to another new bike or pulling the motor out and doing a swap to a bigger one it's not too bad. and the horsepower increase is pretty decent using only 7 pounds of boost and there smallest turbo available.

The price for higher horsepower and speed usually is not cheap in any vehicle.

 

[lookerjdc]

you know why older riders buy the RT?

most of us cant support 2 wheelers any more...... and we want to drive a touring bike, not a crotch rocket

the sky is NOT falling

the end is NOT near

you want to leave everyone in the dust? buy a crotch rocket

 

[Farmbanker]

most likely it wouldn't fit under the hood, but if it did, the 6 speed and the additional mileage would be well worth the wait. :thumbup: (not to mention the longer service intervals)

Maybe someone can find it but I read a quote of someone from BRP stating that the new engine is the next step for ALL Spyder models. Can't find it right now. Patience can be hard.....


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[otter28169]

You guys are upset now.....but they are gonna blow you away next year. Mark my words.......something BIG is brewing for the RS. Mark my words....

I sincerely hope so. Just a wild thought here: I loved the 1000 cc semi-direct injected twin that was in the Mach Z when ski-doo brought it back in 2005. Is there any way we can get something like that in an RS? That motor was so linear and smooth it was unbelievable. I have seen dyno numbers that average around 170 hp, and the clutch did not have to engage at 4000 rpms to make it feel fast. It could be so mellow on the bottom end that I would let my 8 year old daughter ride it, but I was always the first person across the lake when I rode it. As I recall the SDI motors were better on emissions than 4-stroke engines, and I remember the mileage on that motor being much better than my 800 powertek. I like the new 800R e-tec motors too. Ski-doo has always been good to me when I have needed a speed fix. From the original Mach Zed with the 798 triple, to the 670 HO with it's 44mm flat slides, and my 2007 X-RS with the 800 in it and the clutching that would give you forearm cramps. I only hope that 10 years from now I can be talking about the great motors Can Am has supplied me with.

Just sayin'............

 

[Orange monster]

you know why older riders buy the RT?

most of us cant support 2 wheelers any more...... and we want to drive a touring bike, not a crotch rocket

the sky is NOT falling

the end is NOT near

you want to leave everyone in the dust? buy a crotch rocket

Dont get me wrong I love riding my RS-S as it is without a doubt. This is mostly a wishful thinking if I could have everything I wanted type of thread.:clap:

 

[Firefly]

Well Guys, since there has been nothing done for us RS Ryders this year, let's hope for a next year.
Looks like BRP took it by Diplomacy this year looking after elderly first aka ould farts = RT Riders - no offence gents :shemademe_smilie: therefore nothing to attract young Riders again, lets hope that we'll be given 150 BHP engine with 150 MPH max out next year and sell our old RS to the Girls :yikes:
I am putting my name down for Limited one seater supersport supercharged Edition of RS so somebody wake me up please whenever that happens or some other manufacturer comes to senses. Up until then - Ryde Safe. :thumbup:

I guess 47 is an old fart....

If you come to the states I'd gladly take you up on racing this 'old fart' on his RT on some of the twisties in the Smokies....:doorag:

A 2014 RT would probably do even better... especially since you can just roll-on throttle without shifting......
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I don't see the RS going away.

My bet is this:

They come out with a 600 CC entry level Spyder for around 12K.
They come out with a more sporty RSS.... maybe the inline 3, or maybe a beefier V-twin... but if you want more HP... you're gonna pay.

Or maybe the entry level 600 replaces the RS, the ST gets some more power for the speed lovers.


Since they've done big things lately... the ST.... and now the new RT.... it would make sense the RS/S would be next for a serious makeover....

 

[WackyDan]

So what you are saying is the Hayabusa, has a bigger rear tire than the spyder? If you step back and say you can't do it, you will most assuredly fail.

The Spyder has weight distribution biased to the front. That is the big part of the issue there. Not a whole lot is going to change that. I've ridden a turbo spyder (aerocharger) and broke the rear loose in the first three gears without trying hard. Owner said he could do it in the first four. Unless you manufacture a new swing arm and go even fatter with a tire, that kind of power won't help you much.

I've also owned a ZX-12R which was the direct competitor to the busa... and was geared a bit lower. Keeping the nose on the ground was an issue... The opposite problem of the spyder but equally detrimental to control and speed. *Was fun though.

The spyder RS could use more grunt sure. They've added that to the RT. DO not assume that HP means everything as that new 3 banger brings a lot of torque to the party and that is the other side of the coin. You can have a lot of HP but if you aren't also delivering the torque, that kind of engine is not as useful on a Spyder.

Patience... Next year could finally be the year.

 

[otter28169]

The Spyder has weight distribution biased to the front. That is the big part of the issue there. Not a whole lot is going to change that. I've ridden a turbo spyder (aerocharger) and broke the rear loose in the first three gears without trying hard. Owner said he could do it in the first four. Unless you manufacture a new swing arm and go even fatter with a tire, that kind of power won't help you much.

I've also owned a ZX-12R which was the direct competitor to the busa... and was geared a bit lower. Keeping the nose on the ground was an issue... The opposite problem of the spyder but equally detrimental to control and speed. *Was fun though.

The spyder RS could use more grunt sure. They've added that to the RT. DO not assume that HP means everything as that new 3 banger brings a lot of torque to the party and that is the other side of the coin. You can have a lot of HP but if you aren't also delivering the torque, that kind of engine is not as useful on a Spyder.

Patience... Next year could finally be the year.

Dan, thank you for proving a point w/o taking a shot at me. nojoke

I am not looking to blow donuts, or leave the back tire all over the neighborhood, but I do like the rush I get when I drop it down 2 gears to pass. I guess that my excitement is from "taming the beast". The vehicles we are talking about can be challenging to ride, but that is part of the fun.

The part that irritates me is the feeling of being "left out" of the fun. It makes me so mad I have to go for a ride to calm the mistress down.

See you on the road. Rubber down, shiny side up.

 

[Bob Denman]

I don't see the RS going away.
Since they've done big things lately... the ST.... and now the new RT.... it would make sense the RS/S would be next for a serious makeover....

:agree:

*BING*

 

[WackyDan]

Dan, thank you for proving a point w/o taking a shot at me. nojoke

I am not looking to blow donuts, or leave the back tire all over the neighborhood, but I do like the rush I get when I drop it down 2 gears to pass. I guess that my excitement is from "taming the beast". The vehicles we are talking about can be challenging to ride, but that is part of the fun.

The part that irritates me is the feeling of being "left out" of the fun. It makes me so mad I have to go for a ride to calm the mistress down.

See you on the road. Rubber down, shiny side up.

Just remember one thing. They did invest a lot in the GS/RS as that was the leading and only model for the first two production years. They took a huge risk in introducing the entire platform with the GS and they did make many improvements since 08. Now with three model lines, they have to be strategic and invest wisely. The improvements to all three in 2013 was setting the stage for better things to come - evidence is the 2014 RT. I'm dieing to read actual reviews now that the RT is a more potent and refined touring platform... The spyder might start getting more respect.

I think the butt hurt by the GS/RS crowd is largely due to the fact that we have been clamoring for a higher output engine, 6th gear and the like for a long time... and having all this land on the 2014 has us feeling a bit left out. I honestly think we are only 1 or 2 years at worse case of getting something similar in the RS and ST. I'd much rather be in this camp, in this situation than someone who is sitting on a 2013 RT and looking at the 2014 and wishing they had waited on the upgraded 2014's as they just sunk a ton of coin and farkles into their 2013 and can't justify a 2014 so soon. So - we are in an excellent position of at least having a clue as to what is in store for at least the ST and maybe the RS line *As long as we are willing to hold on to our GS/RS for the meantime.