2013 RT Elevated Temperature in Engine Compartment - Safety Campaign

[tigerdr]

:lecturef_smilie: NOPE! My 2010 never gave me a single instance of heat -related stinks or burns... :thumbup:

...And I'm certainly not lucky enough, to get the only one without problems!

For the record: I DID try to get it to cook me. On a day with the temperatures just under a hundred degrees, I took off in just a helmet and a pair of shorts... (I had to test it!)
It got warm in some stop and go traffic; not hot.

Same with my 2010 RTS. No heat issue or gas smell.

 

[finless]

I have been sitting out since I do not have a 2013 involved in the recall.

RE: All RT's give a hot foot. None of the three I have owned have heat issues for either rider or passenger. 2010 RTS, 2011 A&C, and 2014 RT-S.

I will just add the "hot right foot" issue even before 2013's is a perception based on the rider! Again I will tell you to please look back in history here!
Jerbear has a 2010 and could not stand the right hot foot issue! Other had no issue with it. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT! Everyone is going to be different as to how much that heat from the "dragons mouth" bothers them!

You cannot expect a radiator to release heat out that right side hole without "someone" finding discomfort with that. BUT the discomfort is user dependent! Some had or have no issue, some find it a problem.

Bottom line is BRP is NOT going to solve that! It's an expectation that anyone with a Spyder needs to know. I mean come on... the radiator is right there! How can you expect not to feel some heat from it? Unfortunately some expect never to feel anything.... Alas you are sitting on a engine and it is a motorcycle!

Anyway I think my point got lost in translation.... 2013 or otherwise there is going to be heat coming out the right side air vent PERIOD....

Bob

 

[oldguyinTX]

Did anyone else notice this? Seems to be a pretty blanket statement by BRP. Might give them a way out. Might apply to a CAT delete, Canisterectomy, belt tensioner, and who knows what else.

I no longer have the stock air box on the bike but an aftermarket unit to improve air flow through the engine bay. Looking at the instructions, this should not have any effect on the repairs, actually saving the dealer considerable time. Will BRP allow the dealer to proceed?


BRP generally recommends that vehicles be brought back to stock form before the update is performed, as it was tested under default conditions. Your dealer will discuss all the details with you before proceeding with the update.

 

[jetmech]

Hot Right Foot

Bob is correct, I have owned many motorcycles and at slow speed or stop and go traffic the ones I have owned got pretty darn warm under the seat. I had a 2003 Harley that burned my inner thigh pretty bad while I was in traffic at Sturgis. My 2011 Honda ST1300 would cook you above 80 degrees even going down the highway, and in town was also pretty bad. Harley finally put on heat deflectors and turned off fuel to the rear cylinder on newer touring bikes when at stop lights to reduce the heat issue. If you ride in shorts and flip flops your going to get to toastie on most motorcycles. I have done many mods to my wife's 2013 RTs; mostly from suggestions I have seen on this forum. I rode her Spyder 100 miles when it was 90 degrees and no heat issues under the seat or my thighs after doing all these mods. I think the mods that BRP came up with definitely help even more. As far as slow speed or stop and go traffic it may not help that much. I believe a fan to pull air out of the engine compartment in very slow traffic would help much more. This fan could be manually operated with a switch. Also a different routing of the front header would surely be of benefit. If someone could come up with those mods it would be marketable. Not sure it is possible to re-route the front header but it could be looked at. Every motorcycle I have owned in the last 15 years have some issue, so the Can Am is no different. That being said; I enjoy this forum and there are many interesting comments on it.

regards,
Jetmech

I will just add the "hot right foot" issue even before 2013's is a perception based on the rider! Again I will tell you to please look back in history here!
Jerbear has a 2010 and could not stand the right hot foot issue! Other had no issue with it. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT! Everyone is going to be different as to how much that heat from the "dragons mouth" bothers them!

You cannot expect a radiator to release heat out that right side hole without "someone" finding discomfort with that. BUT the discomfort is user dependent! Some had or have no issue, some find it a problem.

Bottom line is BRP is NOT going to solve that! It's an expectation that anyone with a Spyder needs to know. I mean come on... the radiator is right there! How can you expect not to feel some heat from it? Unfortunately some expect never to feel anything.... Alas you are sitting on a engine and it is a motorcycle!

Anyway I think my point got lost in translation.... 2013 or otherwise there is going to be heat coming out the right side air vent PERIOD....

Bob

 

[cuznjohn]

I will just add the "hot right foot" issue even before 2013's is a perception based on the rider! Again I will tell you to please look back in history here!
Jerbear has a 2010 and could not stand the right hot foot issue! Other had no issue with it. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT! Everyone is going to be different as to how much that heat from the "dragons mouth" bothers them!

You cannot expect a radiator to release heat out that right side hole without "someone" finding discomfort with that. BUT the discomfort is user dependent! Some had or have no issue, some find it a problem.

Bottom line is BRP is NOT going to solve that! It's an expectation that anyone with a Spyder needs to know. I mean come on... the radiator is right there! How can you expect not to feel some heat from it? Unfortunately some expect never to feel anything.... Alas you are sitting on a engine and it is a motorcycle!

Anyway I think my point got lost in translation.... 2013 or otherwise there is going to be heat coming out the right side air vent PERIOD....

Bob

bob you are right, my 13 roasted my feet, but the new owner doesn't seem to mind the heat much. my feet are bad from being a diabetic. they hurt me just sitting down, and if i go for a long ride they hurt from any vibrations i get through the floor boards.
now my 14 rt is night and day compared to the 13 rt. i removed the cat on the 14 and even wrapped the bypass pipe. but believe it or not i still feel heat on my feet, but nothing like the 13 did to me. so everyone is different and i am sure there will still be people that are not happy, either with the looks of the scoop, or the mileage after the re map, or the hot foot. i feel i did the right thing for me selling the bike and i am very glad the new owner loves the bike

 

[oldgoat]

I believe a fan to pull air out of the engine compartment in very slow traffic would help much more. This fan could be manually operated with a switch.

regards,
Jetmech

I have installed 2 small fans on the rhs of my '08 Gs inside the panels. They blow the hot air down & out of the bottom of the bike & are controlled with a manual switch & a red LED to remind me they are on.

I also fitted 2 scoops on the upper panel that covers where the gas tank would be on a motorcycle, forward & one on each side. They are clamshell marine ventilation scoops.

It all works nicely & keeps the hot air from the dragon's mouth off my right leg. (also have Spyderpops fix in that area as well).

I turn the fans on in slow hot traffic & when stopped at red lights on hot days.

 

[jcthorne]

Maccuso SUCKS, I have had nothing but problems after problems with that company!!! Good luck

I have had problems in the past as well. SW location is the worst for Spyders. Mancuso owns all the BRP dealerships in Houston. There is also one in Katy and one in Conroe that do not get any better reviews. For this work, and if it goes well my first service on the F3 are going to Mancuso North were several others have had some recent good visits with Spyders. There really are no good options here unless you travel some distance out of town.

 

[Commander]

To me it looks like BRP is trying to get this problem resolved. My only concern now is the low speed riding. With that being said I am sure with all of the ingenious Spyder Lovers Vendors we have they can come up with something to fix almost any problem.
I have noticed that some people here not only have one, but multiple Spyders, a Slingshot, multiple
other bikes and a jet or two in the lower 40:roflblack::roflblack:. Even though I envy them that is not my situation My other concern is the trade in value of the 13 will it increase or decrease after all of these mods?

 

[inmate1905]

I called CFPS YESTERDAY, they do not have the parts yet. They said to call next week to check. Not sure if anyone else has the parts in the area. [emoji91]

 

[bcoulter19]

I called My dealer yesterday about getting the parts for the recall and they said once they get the special tool needed, they will call me about ordering parts. This is the part that ticked me off, they have to have my spyder in their shop before they will order the parts for the recall. They say they have order parts for recalls before and they customers didn't come in to have them put on and they had to ship them back. So their policy now is that the bike has to be in shop before they will order parts for a recall.

Bill C.

 

[Bob Denman]

I will just add the "hot right foot" issue even before 2013's is a perception based on the rider! It's an expectation that anyone with a Spyder needs to know. I mean come on... the radiator is right there! How can you expect not to feel some heat from it? Unfortunately some expect never to feel anything.... Alas you are sitting on a engine and it is a motorcycle!
Bob

:agree: This is a VERY accurate statement. :thumbup:
It's a Motorcycle; not a Car! :shocked:

But for the record...
At speed; I stuck my hand down into the airflow from the outlet... It was being pushed outside and above the positioning of my foot on the peg... There was NO direct flow of heated air hitting my foot. :dontknow:
Are folks adding highway pegs, that do put their foot up in the heated air?

 

[WellsboroSpyder]

I'm with you commando. we sold our 4 wheelers and camper to get out of the payment to buy the spyder. Now with the heat issues I have been offered very little trade in from dealer. We just want a machine we are proud to show off. It won't be one with the new snorkels on it

 

[jcthorne]

I called My dealer yesterday about getting the parts for the recall and they said once they get the special tool needed, they will call me about ordering parts. This is the part that ticked me off, they have to have my spyder in their shop before they will order the parts for the recall. They say they have order parts for recalls before and they customers didn't come in to have them put on and they had to ship them back. So their policy now is that the bike has to be in shop before they will order parts for a recall.

Bill C.

Get with BRP customer care. They can help. If for some reason they will not, report the dealer to the NHTSA for refusal to perform the recall. They get one call from the DOT lawyers, your dealer will sing a different tune. Been there and done that. NHTSA is more helpful than you might imagine and the dealers will not argue with them.

The do NOT need to hold your bike hostage while awaiting the parts. All they need is your vin number and name.

 

[finless]

Several people local to me have called their dealer and the dealer looked it up and ordered the parts and the tool needed. They did not have to bring their Spyder in. If a dealer is telling you otherwise argue with them as the letter that was posted here does not say that.
In fact you should print it and show them it if they won't budge. We also had a few locals call different dealers and get that answer "We have not got the parts yet". I have told them, per the letter, if the dealer is waiting for parts to automatically show up, you will be waiting a long time! They called their dealer back and told them this and the dealer then did the right thing and ordered the kits and tool.

Bob

 

[Bob Denman]

That's an effective way to handle the Dealer's "Two-Step Shuffle"... :thumbup:

 

[dsvogel]

Mountain Motorsports - Marietta GA

I rode my 2013 RTS a lot in Illinois and never noticed it getting excessively hot on long rides. I thought I might have gotten lucky with my '13. Then I moved to Georgia last fall, and didn't have a problem until just recently. The last two rides, when I filled my tank after the engine is hot (and the air temps in the 80s + humidity), the gas starts boiling and leaking down the left side of the bike within minutes of me riding again. And I'm sure I put the gas cap on with 3 clicks. I have to pull over and let it cool down, and sometimes re-tighten the gas cap. I also got burns on the inside of my thighs for the first time EVER riding this thing on Saturday in the north Georgia mountains. Ugh!:gaah:

So, the point of this post is... I called Josh at the Marietta GA shop yesterday morning and then took my Spyder there yesterday afternoon, so they could order the parts and the tool. He said it would probably take a few days before the parts even come in. They are the Mountain Motorsports closest to me, so if anyone is wanting to get in line, they'll have at least practiced on mine. Not sure about any of the other MMS shops in the area.

 

[bcoulter19]

Well, I originally had to tell the dealer to go check BossWeb that the recall fix had come out tuesday and they didn't believe me. they put me on hold went and checked and were a whole nicer when they came back on the phone with the we don't have the tool and you have to bring the spyder in before we order the parts carp.

Bill C.

 

[Bob Denman]

Try what Finless has suggested... :thumbup:

 

[finless]

Seems some dealers SOP is they will not order parts until they take your Spyder apart and see what is needed.

I had this happen with my set screw issue. Even though I showed them the service bulletin, showed them pictures, etc. They simply would not order the parts till they had my Spyder apart!!!! :gaah:

Kind of ticked me off and in fact caused my Spyder to SIT at the dealer for 9 days vs 3 had they ordered up front!!!!

But for this recall, they should not try to use SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) and order the kits up front!
This is what BRP said to do.

Bob

 

[condorflysu]

1.5 hours after BRP announcement on Spyderlover I was at my Brampton dealer speaking the service manager updating them of the news release.

I showed them the printout .. the service manager took the time to stop, smile and help me immediately ...described the recall and ordered the parts. The machine was not required to order parts, the process went smoothly.

I think the time assigned for the repairs by BRP is not in the favour of the dealers.

For the first year I did not trust my dealer, they were new to Spyders when I purchased my 2013 rt-s.
When I could not get this gas fuming problem solved I thought it was them.

I'd drive the machine to them once a weeks for weeks on end wiping out there service department with gas fumes when I rolled up to the back doors.

I've come to trust the service department at my dealer...not BRP.... BRP ties these peoples hand behind there backs too.

The parts were ordered 2 hours after the notice .... OK BRP.....I'll give you this one LAST CHANCE to resolve what you knew was always wrong..... not the way and where and when I drive the Spyder...

Yes... I still am pissed on how BRP was so eager to blame me (us), overfilling, driving in too hot weather, gears... on and on. Saying you drive in slow traffic... no kidding Sherlock...... it's called rush hours drive home.

I live in the province next door to where the parts come from... Friday you think... start the repairs work next week.
My stop watch just went click

Yes!!!!

I'm still sceptical ....Bob...