2013 RT Elevated Temperature in Engine Compartment - Safety Campaign

[tigerdr]

Have you ever tried out one of these? :dontknow:

And by the way; they mounted the radiators for the liquid-cooled heads right up in front of the rider's feet in the fairing lowers...
Face it: you actually don't yet know what is going to happen. :shocked: Does it cost you anything, to go into this part of the exercise with a positive attitude about it?

May be my next one. This H-D is the Tri-Glide. I like the new Freewheeler (next picture), less expensive by 10,000$ but still an H-D.

 

[JKMSPYDER]

2013 RT FIX

It's my understanding that someone posted last month that they had talked to someone at NHTSA about the fix and the response was: "it is comprehensive and effective." So everyone please give it a chance. It serves no purpose to do MMQB until the fix has been done. Remember, the fix for the '13 STs were the new panels and the ECM update. From the responses after the fix, the vast majority of ST owners were satisfied, me included.

 

[BRPcare]

It was mentioned that the Spyder would be, (if I read it right) a little louder? is that true? Personally I would think that would be a good thing. Although there is no substitute for safety a little louder would not hurt. Right now it seems like we are riding a Prius :roflblack: I think a little noise would be good:doorag:.

The noise level will not change significantly - it's entirely possible that a slight change might be perceived but still well within norms.

It appears an entire new evap system is being installed. That's fine, but my old one that was spewing fumes at ME and dripping fuel on the ground is GONE. Bracket is still there. The dealer should have no trouble installing this right?

Your dealer should still be able to install the update.

I no longer have the stock air box on the bike but an aftermarket unit to improve air flow through the engine bay. Looking at the instructions, this should not have any effect on the repairs, actually saving the dealer considerable time. Will BRP allow the dealer to proceed?

BRP generally recommends that vehicles be brought back to stock form before the update is performed, as it was tested under default conditions. Your dealer will discuss all the details with you before proceeding with the update.

There are a great many 2013s out there with these and other engine bay heat reduction aids installed. Can we be assured BRP's intent is to work with the individual cases to get the updates done anyway while working with what is already done?

Yes, see above.

There is something else that is on our mind. The new fuel milage.

No fuel consumption increase is to be expected.

 

[jcthorne]

I cannot tell from the pics posted if the trim on the new scoops is gloss black or chrome. Perhaps BRPCARES could clarify.

Chrome would make more sense on the 2013 with its chrome trim.

 

[R&L Limted]

Yes Bob we have before we bought Spyder, SORRY if I came across negative was not my intent , just voiceing some concerns.

 

[R&L Limted]

Steve ( BRP ) Is there anything we can do to reinstate air flow to driver & passenger ? Thank you in advance.ray:

 

[Highwayman2013]

Some of my customers are lawyers so I know I have to get fix or give up all my rights toward this issue. So I wonder if u will mod your 2012 with this fix

I want to see them first, I may do this. Many of the people I ride with have 2013 RT's and I will get a good look at it.

 

[BRPcare]

I cannot tell from the pics posted if the trim on the new scoops is gloss black or chrome. Perhaps BRPCARES could clarify.

The new side body panels are black.

 

[arsquatch]

According to the ODI website it appears to be the Investigation Subject: Motorcycle Fire. Again neither here nor there, but in reading the ODI website and looking up my VIN, I have to say again I don't believe ODI would close the investigation if they did not feel the solution would solve the problem and in reading the ODI Resume posted on their website with a closing date of 5/22/2015. It is a good read for all the 2013 owners out there, to me pretty comprehensive and explains background, ODI Activity, the two fires, their tests, and their conclusion and closure.

 

[robmorg]

Also would there be any consideration on what we had done on our part to help with the heat issue; (wrap the pipes & adding insulation). Thanks in advance for your reply.

Hi daviszoo1,

Yes. Please keep all receipts related to any work performed on your Spyder RT done with the intent of addressing high levels of heat in the engine compartment. When you visit your dealer to have the recall work performed, your dealer will notify us and be made aware of the procedure to follow, if any, to have this addressed. Note that only modifications performed with the specific intent of addressing high levels of heat in the engine compartment will be considered for compensation.

Steve,

This is GREAT news, and should go a long way toward regaining customer satisfaction and loyalty. Please pass my thanks for this, in advance, to the powers that be, at BRP.

 

[Highwayman2013]

Not for nothing... But you haven't actually had the recall work done on your bike yet; have you? :dontknow:
So why are you yelling that, "The Sky Is Falling!"?
Give it a chance... then, you can complain! :thumbup:

I agree give it a chance!

 

[jcthorne]

The noise level will not change significantly - it's entirely possible that a slight change might be perceived but still well within norms.

Your dealer should still be able to install the update.

BRP generally recommends that vehicles be brought back to stock form before the update is performed, as it was tested under default conditions. Your dealer will discuss all the details with you before proceeding with the update.

Yes, see above.

No fuel consumption increase is to be expected.

We have the bike scheduled for next week. Will ask for assistance if things do not go well. Will just have to see how this goes I suppose. Will report back.

 

[Bob Denman]

Good Luck! :2thumbs:
(We have GOT to get some feedback, from folks with the affected bikes. :thumbup

 

[robmorg]

It would've been nice if BRP at least made the panel a one piece replacement with the scoop built in for a more finished look and painted to match. For the price we all paid this surely isn't asking too much. What happens if the dealer does a poor job of install and an new panel has to ordered? Who will pick-up the cost for the new panel? How many attempts does the dealer get? In the end we all must risk the panel being cut and the tech getting it right the first time. Do we get an option to have it done over if we are not happy with the workmanship? After all its not being done by a body shop that has years of expertise installing these types of add-on's. I hope Steve can shed some light on these concerns.

I can tell you that, in the past, when my dealer has "broken something" in the course of a repair, BRP has stood behind them and supplied necessary parts to make it right and the dealer has fixed it. I think that's a fairly standard procedure. I would guess that there is no reason to assume otherwise in this case.

 

[ericauz]

The new side body panels are black.

The fix seems fairly comprehensive and I personally feel that it will help the heat issues, if done correctly. Being an ex aircraft mechanic, I worry about the quality control and inspection of the work. Is BRP doing anything to insure that the work being done is to the letter of the law, such as performing inspections etc... It seems that one mistake in routing of a hose or incorrectly torqueing a bolt can be detrimental. Reality is that not all dealers are created equal, hopefully no corners are cut, but I believe in "Trust, but Verify".

 

[arsquatch]

You know owning a 2013 RT, I actually like the scoops, I actually like that they are black. I personally believe the front of the bike has always been lacking a more aggressive stance, hopefully this adds to it. I have encountered the boiling gas, I have encountered the fumes, I have encountered the heat, I am hoping after next week, I no longer encounter any of these??? From reading all the documentation I just hope and pray that all of the fixes resolves all these issues and honestly, I cannot wait to get it done so we can all get back to more important issues like routes to ride... It is a shame that it seems that some of you might not have the faith in your dealer like I do. The guys at the dealer since the day I bought mine both in service and sales have treated me like I own the place and I am truly grateful to those guys. I know the service manager and I have conversed numerous times in the years since I purchased the bike. They are a 3 hour plus drive for me to visit, but I continue to take my machine to them because we have a good relationship and honestly they have always stood right behind it and seem to know what is going on...

 

[robmorg]

Not even fixed yet and...complaints. Can't you just get the fix and see what it's like? You might have a great bike soon.

[This is NOT specifically addressed to Highwayman]

Folks have different issues and different concerns, depending on their own situations. Everyone's case is a little different. Now that the details are out, there are going to be those who are disappointed over this or that. And they will need to vent and express their concerns. And some concerns will be very valid points. I have some concerns, myself, as well as some disappointments after reading the details on the fix - doesn't mean I don't appreciate what BRP has done. BRP understands this, I'm sure. (Which is obviously one reason that they did not want to leak specifics until the fix was in the dealer's hands.)

My [admittedly unsolicited] advice to all would be to let folks comment, complain, ask questions, and vent as they need to, and try not to call them on it. The transition should go a lot more smoothly that way - at least here on the forum. :thumbup:

(My 2 cents)

 

[Bob Denman]

:clap: Thank you. :thumbup:

 

[ericauz]

[This is NOT specifically addressed to Highwayman]

Folks have different issues and different concerns, depending on their own situations. Everyone's case is a little different. Now that the details are out, there are going to be those who are disappointed over this or that. And they will need to vent and express their concerns. And some concerns will be very valid points. I have some concerns, myself, as well as some disappointments after reading the details on the fix - doesn't mean I don't appreciate what BRP has done. BRP understands this, I'm sure. (Which is obviously one reason that they did not want to leak specifics until the fix was in the dealer's hands.)

My [admittedly unsolicited] advice to all would be to let folks comment, complain, ask questions, and vent as they need to, and try not to call them on it. The transition should go a lot more smoothly that way - at least here on the forum. :thumbup:

(My 2 cents)

I actually feel the fix will help and applaud BRP, but being in the business I am in, I can't help but to be concerned about the way BRP handled dissemination of the information. I have received recall notices from Ford, Toyota, Nissan etc.. and never once have I had the dealer say as some have posted "that they new nothing of the fix". I believe BRP stated that the fix was released to the dealers the same time it was released to the public. This is not being proactive. If I was a dealer I would be upset that I had customers come in for repairs due to a safety recall and I was not fully informed beforehand.

 

[Highwayman2013]

[This is NOT specifically addressed to Highwayman]

Folks have different issues and different concerns, depending on their own situations. Everyone's case is a little different. Now that the details are out, there are going to be those who are disappointed over this or that. And they will need to vent and express their concerns. And some concerns will be very valid points. I have some concerns, myself, as well as some disappointments after reading the details on the fix - doesn't mean I don't appreciate what BRP has done. BRP understands this, I'm sure. (Which is obviously one reason that they did not want to leak specifics until the fix was in the dealer's hands.)

My [admittedly unsolicited] advice to all would be to let folks comment, complain, ask questions, and vent as they need to, and try not to call them on it. The transition should go a lot more smoothly that way - at least here on the forum. :thumbup:

(My 2 cents)

I agree, I am not in their boat as I have a 2012. Lets just wait and see how things work out, like I said earlier those with 2013 RT's may come out with a great bike.