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2013 Owners Recall Poll and Comments

How are you handling the recall and will it work?

  • Getting it all done and believe it will work

    Votes: 26 56.5%

  • Getting it all done and have doubts about it

    Votes: 14 30.4%

  • Getting some done aready done a lot to mine

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • Getting it done and do not think it is the right fix and will not work

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • Total voters
    46
From what I have seen I don't see it stopping the boiling gas and my question is how hot is it going to be after they remove the adjustable air vents. With the fixed vents it got pretty hot, opening the vents made a big difference (not an option anymore). I did wrap my pipes more so for noise, but also to help the heat on the gas tank. Reprogramming the fuel may make it run better but is not going to help very much with the gas tank sitting on the exhaust pipe. Maybe I missed something but it looks like it will help somethings sometimes and hurt somethings sometime.
 
CruiseRT said:
From what I have seen I don't see it stopping the boiling gas and my question is how hot is it going to be after they remove the adjustable air vents. With the fixed vents it got pretty hot, opening the vents made a big difference (not an option anymore). I did wrap my pipes more so for noise, but also to help the heat on the gas tank. Reprogramming the fuel may make it run better but is not going to help very much with the gas tank sitting on the exhaust pipe. Maybe I missed something but it looks like it will help somethings sometimes and hurt somethings sometime.
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The changes being made to the ECM have more to do with a complete revision of fuel pressure control than remapping of air/fuel tables. It is BRPs belief that a large portion of the heat added to the fuel in the tank is NOT from the exhaust but from the hot fuel returning from the mechanical fuel pressure regulator. BRP is eliminating the fuel pressure regulator and the fuel return and going to a PWM controlled fuel pump like the 2014 and newer bikes use. Thus the pump only delivers the fuel needed at any given time rather than what would be required at WOT all the time, and the throttle body where the regulator is located is HOT as are the metal fuel lines around the engine. Not returning this heat to the tank and its very small volume is what they are counting on to reduce fuel temps and stop the fuming. I am skeptical but hopeful. It has been tested and observed by NHTSA to be functional.

Louise 2013 RT is at the dealer now getting the recall done. They will work around the JT air cleaner as it only makes the job easier for them. Mechanic was a bit unsure on where to place the new evap after filter but was confident he would find an appropriate place since my bottom sound panels are long gone. We hope to get the bike back later in the week.

We also brought them a list and receipts for the heat reduction work we had already done. They were aware of how to submit to BRP for consideration but were unsure how it would turn out. Dealer credit is fine for me as my F3 initial service is coming up and needs to be documented at the dealer anyway.

We intend to give the new evap system a try, only removing it if we again get bad fumes sitting in traffic. If it works, I'll leave it be.
 
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jcthorne said:
The changes being made to the ECM have more to do with a complete revision of fuel pressure control than remapping of air/fuel tables. It is BRPs belief that a large portion of the heat added to the fuel in the tank is NOT from the exhaust but from the hot fuel returning from the mechanical fuel pressure regulator. BRP is eliminating the fuel pressure regulator and the fuel return and going to a PWM controlled fuel pump like the 2014 and newer bikes use. Thus the pump only delivers the fuel needed at any given time rather than what would be required at WOT all the time, and the throttle body where the regulator is located is HOT as are the metal fuel lines around the engine. Not returning this heat to the tank and its very small volume is what they are counting on to reduce fuel temps and stop the fuming. I am skeptical but hopeful. It has been tested and observed by NHTSA to be functional.

Louise 2013 RT is at the dealer now getting the recall done. They will work around the JT air cleaner as it only makes the job easier for them. Mechanic was a bit unsure on where to place the new evap after filter but was confident he would find an appropriate place since my bottom sound panels are long gone. We hope to get the bike back later in the week.

We also brought them a list and receipts for the heat reduction work we had already done. They were aware of how to submit to BRP for consideration but were unsure how it would turn out. Dealer credit is fine for me as my F3 initial service is coming up and needs to be documented at the dealer anyway.

We intend to give the new evap system a try, only removing it if we again get bad fumes sitting in traffic. If it works, I'll leave it be.
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Thanks for the reply, maybe the fix of removing the hot return fuel will stop the boiling gas. Still curious how much air the rider will lose after removing the adjustable vents. Maybe someone from down your way can give us an opinion after they have the recall done. I'm sure it already hot down there. I called my dealer the day BRP announced the fix and they did not know much about it, so I will give them a few more days and give them another call.
 
Not sure .... I will let them do their thing hopefully someone did their homework... the first time evidentially not. The inner panel thing does bother me I always felt it kept heat from me but also kept heat in.. I had done some playing and realized I needed to be careful redirecting the heat, I felt it in places you wouldn't expect and didn't want to force very hot air into places it hasn't been before. That being said I have air temp gauges in my machine and have been forced to keep an eye on things. I found when the machine is moving no matter how hot it is out, gets hot but not really into the danger zone .. When we slow down and the air flow decreases is where we start to have a problem, at that point I record temps close to 225 and greater. My bike starts to idle rough and basically wants to throw up. point is I'm thinking the fix will increase air flow but only while moving, I would have felt better with thermal activated fans on the opposite sides of the new vents to now blow hot air out of the hole at slower speeds....that makes more sense to me, but ill give them a chance. Not sure if I will like the ambient noise without the inner panels as well. I have a Y pipe from Lamont after the fix I will delete the cat as well. I think I'm done after that is what it is ..
 
I can't help my self called the dealer and asked about the recall. First they said they needed the bike in the warehouse before ordering parts :yikes: I told them BRP does not require that...crickets he went to the service manager. A few minutes later he say OK they will order the parts and call me later. I then asked if they were aware of the scope of the repair and did they have a qualified tech to do it. The reply was they have a completely BRP certified roadster tech. So as Shelby the swamp logger would say "Here we go..."

 
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SNOOPY said:
Those are panels.


I don't think those are the "scoops" being talked about here? :dontknow:


And was already told earlier in this thread it has to do w RT's only?

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The panels are under the Tupperware that are being removed. Quit bringing up ST's we just don't care about your bike it has been as fixed as it will be. Why are you even posting here? Go read the other thread on the recall it shows the scoops that are being added. This thread is for 2013 RT owners to post about their thoughts:lecturef_smilie: Don't make me roll up a newspaper :gaah:
 
Dropped my spyder off at the shop today for the recall work and will get it back on Monday. Had a chat with the service manager and the tech they have is a BRP 2 yr vet who only does spyders. He (manager) also used to work at the dealerships where PJ the best tech in SC worked at before he went home to Tennessee. He told me he had a lot of house cleaning to do at my dealership along with some trust rebuilding from the previous regime when he arrived there a few months back and has a lot of BRP experience from Charleston. I am hopeful to say that we may be finally getting a decent shop and told him so. Mine is the first recall they are doing but they have been getting calls.

They had a white '13 RTL from Va. that almost burnt up on the way to MB and they were DEEP into the clutches and engine rebuild. It looked pretty ugly. He said the owner had gas spewing out. :yikes: At least they know how to tear one down for sure. :thumbup:
 
jcthorne said:
The changes being made to the ECM have more to do with a complete revision of fuel pressure control than remapping of air/fuel tables. It is BRPs belief that a large portion of the heat added to the fuel in the tank is NOT from the exhaust but from the hot fuel returning from the mechanical fuel pressure regulator. BRP is eliminating the fuel pressure regulator and the fuel return and going to a PWM controlled fuel pump like the 2014 and newer bikes use. Thus the pump only delivers the fuel needed at any given time rather than what would be required at WOT all the time, and the throttle body where the regulator is located is HOT as are the metal fuel lines around the engine. Not returning this heat to the tank and its very small volume is what they are counting on to reduce fuel temps and stop the fuming. I am skeptical but hopeful. It has been tested and observed by NHTSA to be functional.
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Nice explanation. So as far as what I'm hearing, there will be scoops installed, the above fueling change, a new canister and a new ECM update to go with it. Is that correct? Am I missing anything? Mine goes in on the 23rd to a very competent dealer for the repairs.
 
stewartj239 said:
Nice explanation. So as far as what I'm hearing, there will be scoops installed, the above fueling change, a new canister and a new ECM update to go with it. Is that correct? Am I missing anything? Mine goes in on the 23rd to a very competent dealer for the repairs.
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You are correct.The inner panels are being removed to allow air flow. There is also a "prefilter" installed where the EVAP line exits the bottom. I think it is more like a catch can my self. :thumbup:
 
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Today's the Day.

Dave,

Today's the day for you. As Bob said above, I hope everything works out well after you get your bike back. I have a feeling that the new fuel system will resolve a lot of your fuel problems. I'll be very interested to read your reports on that, after you've had a chance to really test it, and also if there are any changes concerning the heat coming up around the seat. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, and hoping you will be able to enjoy your bike a lot more this summer. ;)

Also, thanks for the pictures above of the 2014 grill and lower plate. I didn't realize before that this piece also included a cover for the lower vent. So now I see what you were describing. I will definitely be looking into this. :thumbup:
 
Thanks Rob. I will be taking a few days to evaluate it if I get it back today and report. Having an Ultimate seat it has even a little more gap in the front and that is one of the hot spots I will be checking. I think from what I read the fuel symptoms will be alleviated but we may be getting a whole new set of water problems if you ride in the rain. I do not intentionally but some people who do will get a lot more water where the design never intended and a lot of harnesses are going to get douched. Time will tell.:dontknow:
 
Magdave said:
I think from what I read the fuel symptoms will be alleviated but we may be getting a whole new set of water problems if you ride in the rain. I do not intentionally but some people who do will get a lot more water where the design never intended and a lot of harnesses are going to get douched.
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Hi Magdave,

Actually, all of the harnesses on your Spyder have sealed connectors and engine components are not susceptible to having water splashed on them. There should be no "water problems" with the new design of the side panels.
 
:shocked: Gee...
Do you think that by removing all of that "underwood" heat; the bike won't get warm enough to dry itself out?? :dontknow: :roflblack: :joke::joke::joke::joke:
(Sorry...)
 
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