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2013 BajaRon Sway Bar Owners!
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BajaRon
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I am very surprised and my hat is off to you. I tried the same thing and the collar was not only too wide but the OD was too large as well (top picture). It hit everything (green arrows) that I didn't want it to come in contact with (lower picture). The red arrow indicates the only area where contact is needed (other than the clamping area of the sway bar itself).
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BajaRon
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'Bent' is Way Bad! We don't want to say that word!
This sway bar movement is very weak. There isn't enough force laterally to bend a link, plastic or otherwise.
Things will get much better once I start shipping these custom collars! :thumbup:
BajaRon
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One Last Picture...
I live this stuff so it is very clear to me. But I know it's tough to cipher out what is actually going on and to relate to pictures of something you may never have seen. Which tends to make this whole endeavor appear much more difficult than it really is. But if you orient yourself a bit with all of this it should make sense when you look under your Spyder at the sway bar assembly (which is really quite simple, at least visually).
Here is an actual picture of a mounted link. I shoved the bar all the way to the left on purpose for demonstration purposes. It is a little dark and everything is painted black, but comparing it to the line drawing on the right should help.
You can see where the link is hitting the channel on the top bracket. This is what we want to correct. If this is the case with your Spyder, you will need to install the limiting collars that I am having made.
I live this stuff so it is very clear to me. But I know it's tough to cipher out what is actually going on and to relate to pictures of something you may never have seen. Which tends to make this whole endeavor appear much more difficult than it really is. But if you orient yourself a bit with all of this it should make sense when you look under your Spyder at the sway bar assembly (which is really quite simple, at least visually).
Here is an actual picture of a mounted link. I shoved the bar all the way to the left on purpose for demonstration purposes. It is a little dark and everything is painted black, but comparing it to the line drawing on the right should help.
You can see where the link is hitting the channel on the top bracket. This is what we want to correct. If this is the case with your Spyder, you will need to install the limiting collars that I am having made.
3 Wheel Addict
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I am very surprised and my hat is off to you. I tried the same thing and the collar was not only too wide but the OD was too large as well (top picture). It hit everything (green arrows) that I didn't want it to come in contact with (lower picture). The red arrow indicates the only area where contact is needed (other than the clamping area of the sway bar itself).
I'm not sure why but my "frame" don't look exactly like that? I don't remember that tab bend looking like that on my bike and my plastic shroud had more clearance than your pictures. Could be I lucked into a smaller collar?
BajaRon
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This is an ST. Could be the cowling on an RT is different in this area, but I didn't think it was that much different. I don't have a 2013 RT handy to check that aspect.
This collar is 1/2" wide (which is pretty standard). On this application you have a bit less than 5/16" maximum clearance (which gives no room for movement of any kind). So really, there is only about 1/4" of room when you consider all the factors.
I'd love to see a picture of yours with all the cowling in place.
3 Wheel Addict
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If I can get in there i'll get some pics of the collar and cowlings in place.
BajaRon
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One Last Picture...
Have I said that before? Oh well, everyone likes pictures... Right!?
Some are confusing rotation with cant. The Heim Joint Links are designed to swivel in all directions. Rotation is NOT a problem. Too much Cant or Angle from Vertical IS a problem.
This picture is at a bit of an angle, but you can see that the OEM Link is vertical to the frame. This is good. The link is also rotated on the ball joint. This is perfectly fine and no cause for concern.
Pictures courtesy of Blue Recluse from Cave Creek, AZ. I always appreciate the help.
Have I said that before? Oh well, everyone likes pictures... Right!?
Some are confusing rotation with cant. The Heim Joint Links are designed to swivel in all directions. Rotation is NOT a problem. Too much Cant or Angle from Vertical IS a problem.
This picture is at a bit of an angle, but you can see that the OEM Link is vertical to the frame. This is good. The link is also rotated on the ball joint. This is perfectly fine and no cause for concern.
Pictures courtesy of Blue Recluse from Cave Creek, AZ. I always appreciate the help.
Dat Guy
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Wait, I bought a bar from you about 3 months ago and it came with what looked like 2 white plastic collars... I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly since I didn't install it myself. Were those the collars you're speaking of now, or was that part of the regular assembly?
I love the new handling by the way, thanks!
I love the new handling by the way, thanks!
BajaRon
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The bar you received 3 months ago did not have the limiting collars that I am now producing. But so far I've got 6 owners that are pretty sure they have this problem (bar moving all the way to one side). It is unlikely that you have the problem as it seems to be quite rare. But I suggest checking your sway bar to see if you need these collars.
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Ron, other than getting under the machine are there any symptoms of this movement that I would notice while ryding?
Ron, other than getting under the machine are there any symptoms of this movement that I would notice while ryding?
BajaRon
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I guess it's kind of like high blood pressure. There usually aren't any symptoms. Fortunately, worst case scenario is much less traumatic.
Another difference is that if you do not have the problem now, you aren't going to develop it later. If your bar is ok now, it's going to be ok. The bar will shift all the way to one side and stay there in a relatively short amount of miles. Less if you ride the twisties hard and more if you ride mostly straight ahead. If your bar has not moved in a few hundred miles then you are not going to develop the problem at all.
You have to look. Depending on your agility factor, you don't necessarily have to lift your Spyder. Most can see the Heim Joint Links just by running the front tires up on a 2x4 or such.
You are checking for vertically oriented Heim Joint Links (attached at each end of the sway bar). If the links are rotated on the Heim ball (as shown in this picture), it's not an issue. If they are a little off vertical, that is not an issue. If the bottom of the link is an inch out of vertical from the top of the link (bottom picture), that is the problem we are looking to correct.
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In this lower picture, the sway bar has moved all the way to the left (facing the front of the Spyder). The sway bar assembly should be self centering, and it is in most Spyders. For some reason, in a few Spyders, the Sway Bar does not return to center as it should.
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THE Bob!?
BajaRon
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2013/14 Sway Bar Limiting Collars
The 2013/14 RT Limiting Collars have shipped. If you ordered a set for your RT you should have received notification of shipment by email.
I do not have these retro-fit limiting collars for the 2013/14 RS, RSS, ST models yet. If you have one of these collar sets on order, it will be next week before I can ship your order.
Thank you everyone for your patience.
The 2013/14 RT Limiting Collars have shipped. If you ordered a set for your RT you should have received notification of shipment by email.
I do not have these retro-fit limiting collars for the 2013/14 RS, RSS, ST models yet. If you have one of these collar sets on order, it will be next week before I can ship your order.
Thank you everyone for your patience.
jcthorne
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Please contact me, did not get any shipping info or invoice yet, been patiently waiting though. Thanks.
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