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2008 se5 Spyder electrical problems

Studybaker Bob

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Well, I have learned a lot in the past 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. I would strongly suggest that everyone step up & come up with the $135.00 for a shop manual, and read & study it so you know as much about your beloved Spyder as you can! Because it is a very good bet the mechanic has not. Did you know the dealers that are charging you $75.00 to $125.00 as hour "flat rate" are only paying the mechanic $15.00 to $18.00 an hour? For those guys to make a living, they have to get as many in & out as fast as they can! Quanity not quality. Now, I realize that there are a lot of good, smart, conscience, high quality people in some service departments, but there are some hop head butchers with an I don't give a darn working on our beloved Spyders, so, go spend $135.00 for a shop manual & know your own baby inside & out! Another scary thought is that all the mechanics working at the dealerships, is that they have to be able to work on all the other machines that the dealerships sell, and probably with not much technical training. The moral of the story, buy your own $135 shop manual, read it, study it & re-read it! My brand new 2008 spyder with less than 1500 miles still has an intermitent no start problem. The dealer has had it in their possession more than I have, and they still don't know why it sometimes won't start.
 
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Tell them to replace the computer. The problem is that the computer thinks that the Bike is in gear and wont start, so you have to press hard on the brake to make it think that your in gear and your Brake preasure is adequate. It will work, let me know.
 
Well, I have learned a lot in the past 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. I would strongly suggest that everyone step up & come up with the $135.00 for a shop manual, and read & study it so you know as much about your beloved Spyder as you can! Because it is a very good bet the mechanic has not. Did you know the dealers that are charging you $75.00 to $125.00 as hour "flat rate" are only paying the mechanic $15.00 to $18.00 an hour? For those guys to make a living, they have to get as many in & out as fast as they can! Quanity not quality. Now, I realize that there are a lot of good, smart, conscience, high quality people in some service departments, but there are some hop head butchers with an I don't give a darn working on our beloved Spyders, so, go spend $135.00 for a shop manual & know your own baby inside & out! Another scary thought is that all the mechanics working at the dealerships, is that they have to be able to work on all the other machines that the dealerships sell, and probably with not much technical training. The moral of the story, buy your own $135 shop manual, read it, study it & re-read it! My brand new 2008 spyder with less than 1500 miles still has an intermitent no start problem. The dealer has had it in their possession more than I have, and they still don't know why it sometimes won't start.

Wish I could help, Bob. I have an SM. The SEs have interlocks and sensors that I haven't even dreamed of. :pray:
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"Amen!" on the manual

Bob, just to check the basics, on the SE5 if you turn it off while it is in gear, you have to step on the brake for it to start otherwise, nothing, no click or boot-up. When it starts, it will then go to Neutral.

When I was a new rider, I was really surprised by this. It happened a couple of times, but usually without realizing it, I would step on the brake and it would start right up. One day, when I was trying to start it while standing next to it, it would not start. After a few more tries, I called the dealership, they didn't know, but would make some calls and try and find out. They called back about 10 minutes later with "press the brake pedal and hold - then turn the key."

It worked. It also stated that in the Owner's Manual ( that I had studied ). For me, it was just a hold over from my years of motorcycle riding - oh well, "live-learn-or get run over."

I agree 100% with you on the manual and knowing as much as you can. This forum can also help a lot.

I hope you get back on the road soon.

Tom
 
Thanks for all of your input. I did go through all the monkey business that is required to start the se5. We are still convenced that the dealers mechanic that did the 600 mi service & installed the fog lights & cigarette lighter kit knocked something loose. Spyder ran perfect before dealer did 600 mi. service. Dealer still has the spyder.
 
We are still convenced that the dealers mechanic that did the 600 mi service & installed the fog lights & cigarette lighter kit knocked something loose. Spyder ran perfect before dealer did 600 mi. service. Dealer still has the spyder.

No comment about that fact. You are not the first and I am sure you won't be the last that a dealer may have caused problems to a Spyder. You might call them and ask them to make sure the battery cables are tight. Tight as in not being able to turn the wrench anymore tight!
 
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Dealers are out to charge outrageous money to send technicians to schools buy thousands of dollars for required tools to service the units. Tie up hundreds of dollars in parts and accssories. The style of accessories will go out of style every year so therefore accessories will be discounted at breakeven pricing if were lucky. A GOOD technician working on commission can make $30.00 per hour and up depending on how they hone their skills. If a dealer refers to their techs as mechanics run don't walk away from it. Technicians diagnose and then properly repair a problem. Mechanics usually don't diagnose the problem but throw parts at it untill they get a hit. Dealers get beat up on the initial purchase price because the floor plan is coming due and the interest charges will wipe out any profit to be made on the spyder. When did profit become a swear word. I think i'll go back to my first job, a piano player in a whore house I got more respect.
 
Dealers are out to charge outrageous money to send technicians to schools buy thousands of dollars for required tools to service the units. Tie up hundreds of dollars in parts and accssories. The style of accessories will go out of style every year so therefore accessories will be discounted at breakeven pricing if were lucky. A GOOD technician working on commission can make $30.00 per hour and up depending on how they hone their skills. If a dealer refers to their techs as mechanics run don't walk away from it. Technicians diagnose and then properly repair a problem. Mechanics usually don't diagnose the problem but throw parts at it untill they get a hit. Dealers get beat up on the initial purchase price because the floor plan is coming due and the interest charges will wipe out any profit to be made on the spyder. When did profit become a swear word. I think i'll go back to my first job, a piano player in a whore house I got more respect.
I agree with your reasoning and your sentiments. Don't go back to your first job, some of us still respect you! :D I am a gearhead from the word "Go." I have a Spyder Shop Manual, too. I am also a darned good mechanic and can twist wrenches with the best of them, but in today's world you need a trained technician with the correct diagnostic equipment and tools to do many jobs. I know there are some here who insist on doing everything themselves. If that works for you, fine, but for most folks, they need to rely on a good dealership with trained and experienced techs. Please forgive us fogies who tend to use the two words interchangeably, however.

There are some great technicians out there, well trained and experienced on Spyders. There, alas, are also some lesser trained techs and some dealerships where, in the interest of time, they will allow anyone to work on a Spyder. It is my belief that these are not exceedingly common. If a person has a bad experience with a repair or service, he should talk directly to the dealer about the problems. If some means of getting improved service and ultimate satisfaction is not available after that, it will probably be best to find another dealership. Hopefully, for most of us, the good dealers like Spyderdylr will take care of us, and that won't be necessary. Keep in mind that not all problems are solved in a few minutes, and can stump even the most experience and highly trained service personnel and even the BRP tech support. Let's give the system a chance.
-Scotty
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Thanks again for your replies & suggestions. As we tried to make clear in our initial summary, we realize that there are a lot of very good service managers, technicians & dealerships. However, our dealership, St. Boni of St. Bonifacius, MN is not a honorable dealership and their service department absolutely stinks. Our Spyder ran perfectly in every way when delivered, but after it was returned from the 600 mile service & the installation of the fog lights & 12 volt cigarette lighter it started having intermittent electric problems & would not start. When I took it back on that Friday afternoon & told the service writer that it wouldn't start all the time he said they were very busy & if I would like to leave it, he said that they would try to get to it sometime the following week. I told him I live 55 miles from there, were they going to give me a ride home, so he decided to take a quick look. While he was sitting on my Spyder trying to start it, it would not start for him either. The spaced out young mechanic that did the 600 mile service & installation of fog lights and cigarette lighter walked by. The service writer called him over & asked him what he thought might be wrong with my Spyder. The mechanic shrugged his shoulders and walked away. So the service writer continued to try to start my Spyder & it finally started, he started it and shut it off several more times with no problem, & said it seemed to be ok now. So I took off & went to the gas station a 1/2 mile away & filled up with fuel. It started up with no problem & I headed home. On the way home, it started acting weird & running real irratic. I noticed that the two trip meters had zeroed out & the clock had zeroed out. When I would come up to a stop light or stop sign, the se5 auto trans would still be in 5th gear & them bang & clang trying to shift down, & sometimes the engine would stall. Luckily, it would start up again. It started running better on the way home & I made it home ok. The next day I checked the ground cable on the battery because someone on spyderlovers.com told me to. I rode to a friends house around 75 miles south & got gas & it started right up. Went up to my friends house up in the hills & bs'd with him for an hour or two, got ready to leave, put my helmet, jacket & gloves on, got on the spyder, turned the key on & everything on the dash lit up correctly hit the starter button and nothing. Fooled around with it, went through all the monkey motions & hit the starter button and nothing. Took off my gloves, helmet & jacket & me & my buddy fooled around with it & would still not start. My friend got out a 10 mm socket & was able to tighten the positive cable nut alittle more than a half a turn. I took off and had a nice long ride for around 300 miles, stopped for gas a couple of more times & for a couple of cool sodas a couple of times & it started up each and every time no problems. Got home late & put in in the garage. The next day, washed it spic & span, and waxed and armouraled everything. It sparkled like the jewel it is, parked it in the garage, had been starting every time no problem. I planned to take it out the next day & show it to more friends. Went out to the garage the next morning, put my helmet, jacket & gloves on, turned the key on, the dash lit up like it is supposed to, I did every thing I was supposed to, hit the starter button and nothing. I got off the spyder, took off my gloves, helmet & jacket, went into the house and called St. Boni of St. Bonifacius, MN and asked for the service dept. I told the service dept they needed to come get it & take it and fix it. After some discussion they would charge me $90.00 to come pick it up. Thats when I blew it and the war began. After several phone calls back and forth, my wife took over the battle & she called Can Am in Canada customer service, they took the information, made arrangements for the tow to St. Boni dealership in St. Bonifacius, MN. The service manager called & said they couldn't find any problem with it, I told them to work backwards from where the mechanic had done the 600 mile service, that he probably knocked something loose when he was doing the service and installation of fog lights & cigarette lighter, because the spyder worked perfect before he worked on it. I talked to Mark Niforopulos, general manager/owner & he didn't show any interest or concern & referred me back to the service dept. We talked to the service dept again this morning because they have now had the spyder one day short of a week, and they have not done anything to it because they want to know who is going to pay them to correct their mistakes. So my wife called Can Am customer service in Canada again & they are very concerned and symphatic & said that they had our info & were having upper management look into it and call me back. We also called the BBB and that dealership has several complaints against their service dept. We will also file a complaint with the BBB, we also contacted the Atty Generals office for the State of Minnesota & will file a complaint with them after this is resolved. We will keep you posted. We do know that most dealerships are concerned with their customers satisfaction. C-ya all later
 
I wish you well with your spyder saga. Bad dealers or I should say bad service depts. are really the main chink in the spyder armor I think sometimes. There is just no excuse for a service dept not to care. Hence the name SERVICE
 
Sorry for the rant. Being blown off by the service department is not acceptable. Being blown off by the owner is even worse. I'll check to see if there is something the tech could screwed up when the fog lamps were installed. It would be very hard to screw up the 12V plug install. It is prewired when it is put in the factory spot. The only thing he could have messed up is when the front clip is taken off or should have taken it off to drill the hole. At my dealership we don't sell anything else but BRP products plus lawn and garden equipment. The Spyder success is very important to us.
Check the relays under the hood and the fuses. Make sure they are bedded in properly. They could have been disturbed when the install was done. Check the relays under the seat I had a Spyder I was doing the shift upgrade and was taking the right hand tail panel off (where the turn signal lamp is mounted) one of the wires going to one of the relays was about to fall out the back of the connector. The customer never knew about it but I'm just glad to have avoided a problem.
If you were closer to Texas I would be glad to take a look at it. I love a challenge.
Tell you dealer to pick it up at no charge. The warranty has road side assistance. The dealer will be reimbursed for the for the mileage on the warranty claim. Or in this case the dealership will have to eat it being their screw up.
Give the dealer a chance to make it right. If you get blown off ,as you were, then pull out the big guns.
 
Well, I have learned a lot in the past 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. I would strongly suggest that everyone step up & come up with the $135.00 for a shop manual, and read & study it so you know as much about your beloved Spyder as you can! Because it is a very good bet the mechanic has not. Did you know the dealers that are charging you $75.00 to $125.00 as hour "flat rate" are only paying the mechanic $15.00 to $18.00 an hour? For those guys to make a living, they have to get as many in & out as fast as they can! Quanity not quality. Now, I realize that there are a lot of good, smart, conscience, high quality people in some service departments, but there are some hop head butchers with an I don't give a darn working on our beloved Spyders, so, go spend $135.00 for a shop manual & know your own baby inside & out! Another scary thought is that all the mechanics working at the dealerships, is that they have to be able to work on all the other machines that the dealerships sell, and probably with not much technical training. The moral of the story, buy your own $135 shop manual, read it, study it & re-read it! My brand new 2008 spyder with less than 1500 miles still has an intermitent no start problem. The dealer has had it in their possession more than I have, and they still don't know why it sometimes won't start.

It's a SE5...what do you expect? (just kiddin')...hopefully somebody will figure out what the heck went wrong and will get your problem taken care of!
 
Thanks spyderdlr and other spyder lovers for your input once again. I had had a bright idea today at 5:40 am. If I could get my spyder lover brothers & sisters to send an e-mail to Mark Niforopulos, general manager/owner at St. Boni Motorsports, St. Bonifacius, MN at [email protected] and explain to him about your thoughts and good service after a sale, your thoughts on him not seriously and passionately taking charge of the problem his mechanic caused when doing the 600 mile service and installation of the fog lights & 12 V cigarette lighter and a few of my other $3640.00 + installation charges of some of the accessories of which some are still not installed yet. We initally picked up our new spyder about 7:00 pm on 5-22-09, and so far they have had it in their shop to fix the problems their mechanic caused while working on it because our spyder worked perfectly before he worked on it. Also, if you have any ideas as to what the mechanic might have messed up while working on our spyder or any other ideas or suggestions please let him know. Also, we would like to know why Mark Niforopulos, general manager/owner, parts manager & service manager did not have the newer softer brake pads for all three wheels & installed before we took delivery, per can-am spyder recall service bulletin. Shouldn't those guys be reading all their bulletins? As of today, they have had my spyder in their possession for one week & nothing has been done. If you would please send him an e-mail and let them know that their service after the sale stinks, we would greatly appreciate. We would much rather be riding our spyder that fighting with them. At 72 yr. old, every minute counts!!! And I'd like to try to wear this spyder out before I croke!!! I want to try to get my monies worth. Thanks to all....and give them hell. C-ya Studybakerbob
 
Every connector that was unplugged/replugged during the foglight installation should be thorougly inspected for bent or loose pins/s and/or incomplete re-insertion. That would be where I would start.

If that doesn't find the problem, any connectors near the area should be checked next, then the same for any connectors at the end of any cable runs that may have been disturbed during the installation.

I'm not a cycle tech, but I am a well seasoned electrical engineer... and if one of my systems were having a problem like yours, I'd be instructing my techs to do exactly as described above.

BTW, if the same failure occurs at the dealer ever again, a quick scan with the BUDS should be able to tell him what is/isn't working or connected properly. (i say "should be able to", but in reality, since I didn't write the BUDS software, maybe it should be "I would hope it would be able to"... at least, I would have designed it that way)
 
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Thanks for all the insults bob. First of all it's very difficult to diagnose a problem that has yet to surface after 100+ starting attempts and 30 miles of riding dont you think? Also i find it weird that if i knocked or pinched a wire that it seems to unpinch or unknock itself randomly after you say the machine doesn't start. The first step to diagnosing any problem is to verify the problem which i have yet to see. Im not saying it doesn't exist but with out the problem how can i verify that i ever fixed anything. This forum is full of people having problems with their spyders so i must be the root cause of their issues as well. I was very interested in working to solve your issue my fault or not but maybe after reading your heavily biased and not always truthfull statements you have already made up your mind on my abilities. Good luck. JB
:gaah:not this crap again.....yall deal with it off the board..save the drama for ya mama
 
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