100kph slide, is nanna nuts or saviour ???

[treva]

I'm sure the dealer will find a heap of codes & send them to BRP for there assessment. Be prepared for some down riding time...treva

 

[TIMMB]

Remember your test drive didn't have the wife on board, she activates the switch under the seat that changes the parameters (more conservative) when a passenger is on board.

 

[Cobwebs]

Remember your test drive didn't have the wife on board, she activates the switch under the seat that changes the parameters (more conservative) when a passenger is on board.

Good point, I should ask the sales guy at the dealer to jump on back, quite possibly the first time I could shut him up.:roflblack:

 

[ChicagoSpyder]

No nothing there but an early morning shadow that was gone when we passed through on sunday afternoon.I hit the corner twice at the same speed (solo this time no one wants to go crash test dummy,funny that) it's just a nice fast sweeper it's even slightly banked, felt two minor bumps that could maybe lighten the bike at double the speed if you were game, no smell of diesel or oil on the verges, nothing.
If buds doesn't show anything I'm screwed for an explanation as to why it happened and won't know if i'm riding Jekyll and Hyderay: or Nanny the Daytona Demon:shemademe_smilie:.

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I see marbles on the edge of the road, are there marbles scattered across the road?

 

[Cobwebs]

I see marbles on the edge of the road, are there marbles scattered across the road?

No none though they must have been at some stage because they looked more uniform than the road edging gravel.Possibly spillage off a tip truck.I saw or felt none when the incident occured.Nice sleuthing by the way:thumbup:.

 

[askitee]

At 100kph, 2up, riding through corners & you upset the nanny, there is a lot going on. I may be wrong, but do we really know the 'TECH Nerds" covered all the parameters that a rider can throw at this bike & not confuse even momentarily something in the safety systems.
The indicators not cancellation properly is an indication of the steering not centered. BUDS will centre it...treva

Thats my question. Nanny has decided to straighten the handlebars and spear us (Wife an I) into the oncoming traffic a few times now to the point that it is the single biggest fear I have riding the thing. 1st one was at 100-110 km / hr into an unsignposted corner in a line of Spyders, the RTL in front went thru ok, mine decided to lock the back wheel and straighten the handlebars. We came to rest on the "outer edge line" on the oncoming lane. During it I was wondering how I was going to avoid two huge gum trees in my path.

The 2nd happened in poor conditions, 2 up slowed for a corner and two two wheelers in front cornered ok, where mine Nanny decided "lets go have a look over here" Luckily the driver of the Toyota Landcruiser coming towards us had a great reactions time.

 

[Snowbelt Spyder]

With all of these issues in Australia, I wonder if the Nanny thinks that the Spyder is upside down.

Kidding.

On a more serious note, askitee, the VSS system in no way, shape, or form, can take control of the steering. It did not straighten the handlebars. If you are convinced that the Spyder's handlebars produced a steering input that was un-commanded by you, better have that thing looked at ASAP. Steering Angle Sensor and DPS Torque Sensor to start. More than likely, however, your muscle memory responded to try to correct the skid without you thinking about it. Proper rider / steering technique in corners, at high speed, is also essential.

 

[PinkRosePetal]

On a more serious note, askitee, the VSS system in no way, shape, or form, can take control of the steering.

But it might stamp a brake on on one wheel where you might not be able to prevent the bars turning.

 

[Cobwebs]

With all of these issues in Australia, I wonder if the Nanny thinks that the Spyder is upside down.

Kidding.

On a more serious note, askitee, the VSS system in no way, shape, or form, can take control of the steering. It did not straighten the handlebars. If you are convinced that the Spyder's handlebars produced a steering input that was un-commanded by you, better have that thing looked at ASAP. Steering Angle Sensor and DPS Torque Sensor. More than likely, however, your muscle memory responded to try to correct the skid without you thinking about it. Proper rider / steering technique in corners, at high speed, is also essential.

When nanna gatecrashes the party would the abs function tend to pull the steering one way or another giving the impression she has grabbed the bars? I know in a straight line panick stop mine has an initial pull to one side or another as it computes the wheel causing the trouble.Could be we have a safety system that meets regulations but not every scenario quickly enough.

 

[Snowbelt Spyder]

Yeah, I was just going to do an edit to clarify that. But, the rider still maintains control at all times and can continue steering, which you want to do. ABS is not intended to stop you in a straight line. I guess it depends on what he meant by that or thought was the cause. in his case for example, if the Stability Control System activated in order to prevent lifting a front wheel, it could apply the brake on the opposite front wheel. That could cause a perceived steering change. But remember that the intention of the SCS system is to prevent the machine from tipping over - which it seems to do very well. Where you end up in the road may not be ideal - and it cannot control that - but at least you're still on three wheels. However, and it goes back to my earlier post, some of those VSS sensors have reset functions in BUDS in order to ensure they are calibrated and operate as designed. If there are questions, have them checked out.

 

[h0gr1der]

So reading back through the wheel lock up threads, with the exception of one (Batmobil-F3) I think the common denominator is a second person on board. I did read that when the pillion switch is activated, the VSS uses more conservative parameters. Maybe something to look at?

 

[treva]

Were you heading up the hill or down? If down, & those marbles [ well chosen word ChicagoSpyder ] were there when you rode through, they would be right on line. It's hard to remember every little detail when you've been "close to the edge...treva

 

[Cobwebs]

Were you heading up the hill or down? If down, & those marbles [ well chosen word ChicagoSpyder ] were there when you rode through, they would be right on line. It's hard to remember every little detail when you've been "close to the edge...treva

Heading up the hill treva.
Just as an explanation those marbles are there because to run over them if coming down the hill you would have to be flirting with the gravel edge anyway which no one does unless forced over by a bad driver coming up of course.It's a reasonably quiet country road with good through the corner vision hence no one runs over them much to clear them.I'm can't give a 100% there were none on the road when I passed same as a blob of grease which would disperse pretty quickly if I've spread it like butter across the road.It was a beautiful crisp clear winters day and I was on song and at one with Spyder after 100kls of high concentration corner carving preceding the holy crap moment.This was a nothing corner challenge wise with no sign of marbles, oil sheen, foreign blobs,animal carcases,I heard no rattling of stones off the tyres or any warning at all just the abs going nuts which i initially thought was the back wheel disintegrating it was that severe and wondered why i wasn't seeing shrapnel in my peripheral vision in the mirrors followed by the tyre howl as we got tossed sideways.

 

[treva]

Heading up the hill treva.
Just as an explanation those marbles are there because to run over them if coming down the hill you would have to be flirting with the gravel edge anyway which no one does unless forced over by a bad driver coming up of course.It's a reasonably quiet country road with good through the corner vision hence no one runs over them much to clear them.I'm can't give a 100% there were none on the road when I passed same as a blob of grease which would disperse pretty quickly if I've spread it like butter across the road.It was a beautiful crisp clear winters day and I was on song and at one with Spyder after 100kls of high concentration corner carving preceding the holy crap moment.This was a nothing corner challenge wise with no sign of marbles, oil sheen, foreign blobs,animal carcases,I heard no rattling of stones off the tyres or any warning at all just the abs going nuts which i initially thought was the back wheel disintegrating it was that severe and wondered why i wasn't seeing shrapnel in my peripheral vision in the mirrors followed by the tyre howl as we got tossed sideways.

It sounds like you have all bases covered. As h0gr1der mentioned, most incidents have been 2up, which leads me to believe that when the nanny has been triggered, maybe more so if triggered a few times on the same ride, & the circumstances all line up, causes an anomaly some where in the safety systems...treva

 

[Batmobil-F3]

The problem is not that the VSS intervenes, but how it intervenes. If it locked up a wheel (despite ABS), then dangerous situation arises and one loses confidence in the VSS.
I've ridden 7,000 miles now and I never had any problems with the VSS until the incident. In about 70% of the curves, the VSS intervenes, because I drive very sporty. I do not notice the interventions, only the VSS LED shows them to me.

 

[h0gr1der]

https://money.usnews.com/investing/...638-000-us-suvs-trucks-for-unintended-braking

Read this and thought of this thread. What's your take?

 

[Spyderlass]

If nothing else, it shows the importance of reporting an issue to the dealer and insisting that BRP is made aware of it.

 

[Cobwebs]

I can't throw any more light on my skirmish.No codes shown and hasn't done it again since so at this stage I think nanna is possibly slightly wacky but she won't let you down completely.As Spyderlass says at least they know about it one way or the other.

 

[treva]

I can't throw any more light on my skirmish.No codes shown and hasn't done it again since so at this stage I think nanna is possibly slightly wacky but she won't let you down completely.As Spyderlass says at least they know about it one way or the other.

Yes they know about it, but are they doing anything about it?

 

[Freddy]

At best, the complaint has been forwarded to 'head office.' If you have a safety complaint there is only one way to deal with it that gives feedback and that's thru:

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/reporting/index.aspx

At least you get a reply eventually to advise what the manufacturer is doing about it, if anything.