motorcycle endorsement

[bone crusher]

In West Virginia the Learner's Permit allows you to operate the Spyder with the following restrictions...1) no night operation, and 2) no passengers. Other than that, you can take it anywhere and get used to it before taking the test. The license you get is restricted to 3-wheelers. They don't use the 2-wheeler course. They put you on the road and follow you to make their decision

About 1.5 miles from me is an all but abandoned shopping center that I used/use to "play" with my Spyder. Another good place are school parking lots on weekends.

What's an Irishman doing in WV? No Guinness, just moonshine!

 

[irish2themax]

What's an Irishman doing in WV? No Guinness, just moonshine!

That's why I go to Ireland every year for 3-4 weeks....lol They have moonshine in Ireland too but they call it Poitín or poteen (pronounced potcheen)

 

[bone crusher]

That is very interesting. I am a motorcycle instructor and examiner for the Province of Ontario, and I will be curious to see how we handle the first Spyder test here too. It is licensed as a motorcycle, but it will be far too wide for a number of our test manouevres as well.
Congratulations on getting your license. :bigthumbsup:
Cheers,
Bruce

Bruce,

MD has a test specific for three-wheelers of any kind...whether they be a traditional trike, sidecar, or 'Y' configuration...the test is fair and decently comprehensive.

 

[bone crusher]

That's why I go to Ireland every year for 3-4 weeks....lol They have moonshine in Ireland too but they call it Poitín or poteen (pronounced potcheen)

Ireland is gorgeous...was there in 2002...best time to go, IMHO, is in early September...it doesn't rain as much and not as many tourists as here in the states the kids are back to school...I'd go back in a heartbeat...beautiful country, wonderful people!

 

[jvicker]

Took my test last week. The instructor was very "hoo hum" about it. ( no comments or questions asked). But the kid who took his test after me couldn't keep his eyes off of it. Even while the instructor is helping him with the vest and head set, he just couldn't look away. :2thumbs:

 

[rleathen]

Starcruiser I was under the impression that here in Ontario you could do your M2 exit/road test on a trike/spyder but you would get an M license with an M restriction on it meaning that you have a full motorcycle license but you can only ride three-wheeled bikes and the lower speed bikes likes mopeds and vespas etc.

If I read the MTO website and the HTA there are two possible restrictions that can be placed on you M licence (an M restriction for three wheeled bikes) and I believe a J restriction for the lowspeed bikes such as vespas).

My understanding is that whatever category of bike you take your M2 exit road test on is what determines your restriction. Do it on a 2 wheeleed bike and you get an unrestricted M (you can ride anything), do it on a spyder and you get a M licence with an M restriction (you can only ride 3 wheeled and low speed), do it on a vespa and you get an M licence with a J restriction (you can only ride a lowspeed bike like a moped or vespa).

Director how far off the mark am I with my understanding ?

Here is a link to the Ontario MTO page dealing with the spyder:

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/motortricycles_faq.shtml#a2

 

[Director]

Starcruiser I was under the impression that here in Ontario you could do your M2 exit/road test on a trike/spyder but you would get an M license with an M restriction on it meaning that you have a full motorcycle license but you can only ride three-wheeled bikes and the lower speed bikes likes mopeds and vespas etc.

If I read the MTO website and the HTA there are two possible restrictions that can be placed on you M licence (an M restriction for three wheeled bikes) and I believe a J restriction for the lowspeed bikes such as vespas).

My understanding is that whatever category of bike you take your M2 exit road test on is what determines your restriction. Do it on a 2 wheeleed bike and you get an unrestricted M (you can ride anything), do it on a spyder and you get a M licence with an M restriction (you can only ride 3 wheeled and low speed), do it on a vespa and you get an M licence with a J restriction (you can only ride a lowspeed bike like a moped or vespa).

Director how far off the mark am I with my understanding ?

Here is a link to the Ontario MTO page dealing with the spyder:

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/motortricycles_faq.shtml#a2

You are mostly correct. At the time Star Cruiser wrote his post, those changes had not yet been made to the Ontario HTA regulations.

In Ontario, if you test on a three-wheeled motorcycle, like the Spyder, you will receive an M licence with an "M" restriction, allowing you to ride only three-wheeled motorcycles, as you said.

As far as scooters and mopeds are concerned, if you test on one of those, you will receive an M licence with an "L" restriction, not "J". This only pertains to machines with 50 CC or less engine displacement. Larger scooter riders will test for a full M licence.

Pretty convoluted rules, but there you go...:thumbup:

Bruce

 

[rleathen]

Director thanks for the clarification. Seeing as I have my M2 and will at some point in the future need to do the M2 exit test (on my spyder) to get my M restricted M license I pay close attention to this issue. I would prefer to take my M2 exit test through one of the college courses but I am unaware of any that are able to accept the spyder (just yet). Since you are "in the field of motorcycle teaching/testing" what are your suggestions as to the best way to proceed to do the M2 exit road test ? Seeing as I just got my M2 in September of 2008 I do have some time before I have to do the M2 exit test but it is still nice to know what my options are now.

 

[Director]

Director thanks for the clarification. Seeing as I have my M2 and will at some point in the future need to do the M2 exit test (on my spyder) to get my M restricted M license I pay close attention to this issue. I would prefer to take my M2 exit test through one of the college courses but I am unaware of any that are able to accept the spyder (just yet). Since you are "in the field of motorcycle teaching/testing" what are your suggestions as to the best way to proceed to do the M2 exit road test ? Seeing as I just got my M2 in September of 2008 I do have some time before I have to do the M2 exit test but it is still nice to know what my options are now.

No problem. You're right; the Colleges do not have the authority at this time to test for three wheelers. The Drive Test facilities are currently the only ones who can do this test. One Spyder owner I know is planning to buy a two-wheeled motorcycle to practice and take his test on just so he can obtain a full M licence. He will then sell the bike and keep his Spyder. I think that is what I would do as well if I needed to pass the M2 exit test.
Cheers,
Bruce

 

[rleathen]

Bruce I considered the idea of buying a two wheeler to practice on and take the m2 test BUT the cost of the bike and the insurance makes it somewhat impracticle to do. My hope is that by the time the time draws near for me to do the M2 exit test the colleges will have programs available. Time will tell I guess.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Director]

Bruce I considered the idea of buying a two wheeler to practice on and take the m2 test BUT the cost of the bike and the insurance makes it somewhat impracticle to do. My hope is that by the time the time draws near for me to do the M2 exit test the colleges will have programs available. Time will tell I guess.

Thanks for the help.

Any time! :2thumbs:

 

[COOLMACHINE]

congrats

Nice to hear. Congrats on the license. :spyder:

 

[irish2themax]

Ireland is gorgeous...was there in 2002...best time to go, IMHO, is in early September...it doesn't rain as much and not as many tourists as here in the states the kids are back to school...I'd go back in a heartbeat...beautiful country, wonderful people!

I usually go in May for exactly the same reasons. Logged nearly 300 days in Ireland and only 3 days of rain. My friends want me to move there!!