Bajaron shock adjuster update

[StanProff]

Bajaron shock adjuster update 10/29/14

100 miles today and added another turn to the adjusters. Added some weight to the Spyder this morning to load the shocks a little. Ride is firm with no bounce at all on rough pavement. The front of the spyder is raised about 5/8 inch from 4 turns on the adjusters.

Sorry the pic is sideways. This stuff is hard to do on the mobile. I'll get some better pictures loaded.

 

[hchays]

Is there any noticeable improvement with handling in corners?

 

[Chupaca]

Soon..!!

you will have them dialed in. It's going well so far....:thumbup:

 

[vided]

100 miles today and added another turn to the adjusters. Added some weight to the Spyder this morning to load the shocks a little. Ride is firm with no bounce at all on rough pavement. The front of the spyder is raised about 5/8 inch from zero turns on the adjuster. I am now at 4 turns . View attachment 97583

Trying to array a pic. Sorry the pic is sideways. This stuff is hard to do 9 the mobile.

let me help

 

[Bob Denman]

I'm guessing that a set of coil spring compressors make the installation job easier? :thumbup:

i've got a set of them! :yes:

 

[BajaRon]

I'm guessing that a set of coil spring compressors make the installation job easier? :thumbup:

i've got a set of them! :yes:

Not only easier, but required. We've got a plan to address this aspect as most are not going to have a set laying around.

 

[StanProff]

Is there any noticeable improvement with handling in corners?

The adjusters put more tension on the Springs. This will help prevent bottoming (on speed bumps etc.) , and a stiffer spring will reduce body roll a certain amount although, by design, reducing body roll to achieve "flat cornering" is the job of the Sway bar. On the other hand, more pre load from the springs will help resist body roll. With the adjusters installed and dialed up 4 turns, to add some compression the springs, I am able to carry more speed into my "test curve" (a sharp curve on the road I live on) delaying the nanny from kicking in. This road has been my test road for the 2010 spyder as well as the 2014.

Stan

More to come

 

[Bob Denman]

Stan, By adding some preload to the front-end; are you noticing any harshness? :dontknow:

 

[StanProff]

BajaRon Phase 1 impressions

Stan, By adding some preload to the front-end; are you noticing any harshness? :dontknow:

No Harshness at the present settings Bob. My first impressions of the '14 RTS was that it felt a little loose or "mushy" as compared to my 2010 RTS. Of course the '10 had BajaRon's sway bar as well as Fox adjustable shocks on it. The Foxs' were dialed up on the stiff side. I'll tell you though, that bike was like it was on rails. Now with the spring adjusters on the '14 I am getting that familiar firm feeling. I'm loving it. I don't think, for my comfort level, that I would want much more pre load on the shocks than I have on them right now. Personal information: I weigh in at 176 lbs before breakfast so I do not load the Spyder the same as someone who is at 220 or more. That is why I have loaded about 25 lbs in the Frunk and some more weight (tools and stuff) in the trunk and bags to try and get a better load on the shocks and adjusters as this testing is being done.

Stay tuned,
Stan.

 

[PattyandJoe]

2 Up Riding....

The adjusters put more tension on the Springs. This will help prevent bottoming (on speed bumps etc.) , and a stiffer spring will reduce body roll a certain amount although, by design, reducing body roll to achieve "flat cornering" is the job of the Sway bar. On the other hand, more pre load from the springs will help resist body roll. With the adjusters installed and dialed up 4 turns, to add some compression the springs, I am able to carry more speed into my "test curve" (a sharp curve on the road I live on) delaying the nanny from kicking in. This road has been my test road for the 2010 spyder as well as the 2014.

Stan

More to come

Will you be doing any 2 up testing also?? We do most of our riding 2 up..so I would appreciate any info you might collect. Thanks

 

[StanProff]

Will you be doing any 2 up testing also?? We do most of our riding 2 up..so I would appreciate any info you might collect. Thanks

2 up and the trailer as well. That is how I travel and believe me, the wife packs everything she has. :roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

Not everything... only the stuff that you know about!
My 2010 had Elkas, and the RonBar, so I know where you're coming from!
(If I may ask...)
How much do you weigh?

 

[BajaRon]

2 up and the trailer as well. That is how I travel and believe me, the wife packs everything she has. :roflblack:

She is not alone...

 

[spyder3]

This should be the tester

My wife for an overnighter...:roflblack: (courtesy of STV on FB)

 

[bscrive]

Now, I see why you bought a bigger bike. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[spyder3]

Now, I see why you bought a bigger bike. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

exactly!! :roflblack::roflblack: It went like this.

ME: Honey, nice wheels and motor don't you think?

Her: Open up that trunk to what we can fit in there.

nojoke

 

[StanProff]

Not everything... only the stuff that you know about!
My 2010 had Elkas, and the RonBar, so I know where you're coming from!
(If I may ask...)
How much do you weigh?

176 before breakfast for me. If I put my wife's weight on here you guys won't hear from me for a while. :lecturef_smilie:

 

[BajaRon]

176 before breakfast for me. If I put my wife's weight on here you guys won't hear from me for a while. :lecturef_smilie:

If EVER! :yikes:

 

[spacetiger]

Careful Ron, We might not hear from you too.

On a side note, You ought to look at your design to see what would need to be done to have it work on the rear shock. As far as I can tell, the RT-S has never come with any preload adjustability. I would guess the ID would need to be a bit bigger, perhaps the outer diameter a bid wider. The strength of the devise is probably enough as I'm getting by with fixed length of PVC pipping. This change would open up a greater market.

Can you indicate the total amount the devise can compress the spring?

Jerry

 

[BajaRon]

Careful Ron, We might not hear from you too.

On a side note, You ought to look at your design to see what would need to be done to have it work on the rear shock. As far as I can tell, the RT-S has never come with any preload adjustability. I would guess the ID would need to be a bit bigger, perhaps the outer diameter a bid wider. The strength of the devise is probably enough as I'm getting by with fixed length of PVC pipping. This change would open up a greater market.

Can you indicate the total amount the devise can compress the spring?

Jerry

Once we get these front adjusters ironed out I will look at the rear shock. I need to get a feel for demand as nothing is cheap these days. Sales have to reach a certain volume just to break even on the R&D (and I work for FREE!).

Right now the prototype will compress the spring 1" but that can be easily changed before production. The threads are 20 per inch. 4 turns made a noticeable difference on Stan's RT. Noticeable doesn't necessarily mean ideal. But 4 turns are only 1/5th of the total throw. We still need to do some calculations to be sure we won't get coil bind. But all of that will be pretty easy. The main thing right now is design, fit and function.

Stan is wearing them out! A PERFECT Test Pilot! He seems to be quite happy with them with the exception of a few issues that I believe we already have fixed on paper. I think we are very close and with a bit of tweaking for Phase II I'm pretty sure we will be dialed in.

These are pretty heavy duty to the point of overkill. But why not. Making them thin and cheap really won't save all that much on the price, and the grief potential long term isn't worth the savings. I want my stuff to outlast the Spyder! Can't do that for everything but these adjusters are certainly on the list. hyea:

We are still deciding on how pretty to make them. They will really stand out in this mounting location so that is also important.