215/60R15 Michelin Hydroedge wear report

[sddinnh]

Lord knows I'm no expert on what the nanny will or will not accept as far as tires go. :dontknow: I just know that I'm completely happy with the 215/60/15 Hydroedge on the RT and will continue running it until I run thru the two I have. :thumbup: I've had no nanny issues (and I've pushed this tire hard), no hydroplaning issues (although I haven't run in any really deluge type conditions), and the wear seems to be within acceptable limits. IF I trade for an F3, I will run out the Kenda that comes with it and then put my spare Hydroedge on it too (if it fits). If not, I will decide then on what tire to use.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

What looks good on paper doesn't always work when put into practice.

:yikes:.........I just proved to you Mathematically that it was not the TIRE ...........if you think the Dealer is right and the math is wrong please prove it ..........How many threads / posts have seen on this Forum where the Dealer has lied .............................Iv'e seen dozens if not a couple hundred.................Mike :thumbup:

 

[MarkLawson]

:yikes:.........I just proved to you Mathematically that it was not the TIRE ...........if you think the Dealer is right and the math is wrong please prove it ..........How many threads / posts have seen on this Forum where the Dealer has lied .............................Iv'e seen dozens if not a couple hundred.................Mike :thumbup:

YOU explain why when a wrong size tire that is mounted results in error codes and when the OEM size or one closer to the OEM size is mounted the codes stop.

This isn't rocket science. Part of the Nanny system includes monitoring wheel speed on each wheel. It is programmed to expect a limited range of variants between front/rear & left/right. When it sees something out of spec, it throws codes.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

IT'S MAGIC

YOU explain why when a wrong size tire that is mounted results in error codes and when the OEM size or one closer to the OEM size is mounted the codes stop.......My explanation is ......it wasn't the tire

This isn't rocket science. Part of the Nanny system includes monitoring wheel speed on each wheel. It is programmed to expect a limited range of variants between front/rear & left/right. When it sees something out of spec, it throws codes.

.................................Now my Question there are hundreds of Spyderlovers who are now and have been for quite some time using 215 /60-15 rear tires ......why arn't they throwing codes ??????????.........the difference between a 215 vs. 225 in 60 aspect ratio is about .025 % ................so I really don't think it's the tires.....................Question #2 , is it your opinion dealers and Their employee's are always truthful..................Mike :thumbup:

 

[Roadster Renovations]

SSDD

:banghead:

 

[jcthorne]

Could it be that the 215/60 is taller than stock but just within the nanny range of acceptance and the 225/60, being just slightly taller plus variations between manufacturers actual sizes, puts the revs per mile just outside the range of nanny acceptability? Just guessing. Have others tried the 225/60 and found trouble or is this a one off case? Always good to have options and others would like to know where the limits are so as to choose wisely once we venture outside the BRP walled garden.

Lots of reports on the 215/60 working fine in a number of different brands. Very few reports on the 225/60 either way.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OMG

Could it be that the 215/60 is taller than stock but just within the nanny range of acceptance and the 225/60, being just slightly taller plus variations between manufacturers actual sizes, puts the revs per mile just outside the range of nanny acceptability? Just guessing. Have others tried the 225/60 and found trouble or is this a one off case? Always good to have options and others would like to know where the limits are so as to choose wisely once we venture outside the BRP walled garden.

Lots of reports on the 215/60 working fine in a number of different brands. Very few reports on the 225/60 either way.

.............................JC, you are late to this party..............in my post # 58....I explained that according to the SPECS given by TIRE RACK the difference in revolutions per mile between the two tires is 16.....there is no way the NANNY can tell that small amount ..............811 vs. 827 ,revolutions .....per mile ....................I'm done with this now .....Mike :thumbup:

 

[MarkLawson]

The OEM tire is 225/55R15, so the variance between that and the 215/60R15 tire we are discussing is not significant enough to trigger the nanny error code. I run the 215/60R15 HydroEdge myself & have for over 15,000 miles. Not only did I check into this before buying, I now have 2.5 years of riding on the different size to confirm the nanny is OK with it. I also found my speedometer is now never more than 1 MPH different than my Garmin Zumo 550 GPS, & often they read the same speed.

The ratio for the second number (sidewall height) is NOT based on the rim width, but the tire tread width. While my sidewall height ratio ('60') is bigger than the OEM '55', my '215' width measurement is a bit smaller than the OEM '225' width, bringing it closer to the desired reading.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAT

The OEM tire is 225/55R15, so the variance between that and the 215/60R15 tire we are discussing is not significant enough to trigger the nanny error code. I run the 215/60R15 HydroEdge myself & have for over 15,000 miles. Not only did I check into this before buying, I now have 2.5 years of riding on the different size to confirm the nanny is OK with it. I also found my speedometer is now never more than 1 MPH different than my Garmin Zumo 550 GPS, & often they read the same speed.

The ratio for the second number (sidewall height) is NOT based on the rim width, but the tire tread width. While my sidewall height ratio ('60') is bigger than the OEM '55', my '215' width measurement is a bit smaller than the OEM '225' width, bringing it closer to the desired reading.

...........................................................................Mark ....what does this have to do with answering my post ( in answering your post ) to me .........or it's not supposed to be an answer to anything at all..............It's just a random statement ??????......Mike :thumbup:

 

[Tango]

:banghead: :bdh:

 

[MarkLawson]

...........................................................................Mark ....what does this have to do with answering my post ( in answering your post ) to me .........or it's not supposed to be an answer to anything at all..............It's just a random statement ??????......Mike :thumbup:

Just trying to hit all points. Was thinking about your rim width comment and thought maybe you were thinking the sidewall height spec was based on that.

I've concluded that while I know what I'm trying to say, I've obviously not understood what you're trying to tell me. For that, I apologize.

 

[obiwan57]

Best replacement rear tire for Spyder. I have one and very happy with it.

How does that compare to the OEM size? In the owners manual they show 225/50R15.

 

[tigerdr]

No comparison with the OEM. MICHELIN HydroEdge is the best tire on the market. This tire run smooth, excellent traction and very good grip in the curves.

No problem with the VSS, ABS, TC or other nannys....

IMHO, The OEM Kenda is the worst tire for the Spyder.

 

[lyonsden]

Bob, I have 15,413 miles on my HydroEdge rear tire after about 2.5 years on the RT. It shows between 7 & 8 on the tread depth gauge. When I check the pressure, which isn't as often as it should be, I set it to run at 28 psi. Have not noticed any significant pressure loss, although I'm sure I make pressure adjustments when checking and needed.

Tire looks good.

I have had a significant hydroplaning incident not long after installing it. I was on the interstate and running around 70 mph pulling my loaded RT622 trailer. Hit a strong thunderstorm that put a good amount of water on the highway. The tire broke traction while doing a slight acceleration to get away from some tractor trailer rigs that were blowing out a good amount of spray. It did take me by surprise and I was able to easily duplicate the loss of traction in that same storm. I have not had that happen again.

I was one that touted the Hydroedge also. It wears like iron. It is good in light rain. In August we went to Yellowstone and just out of Rapid City SD ran into very hard rain. My wife and I ride a 2011 RT with 622 trailer. It hydroplaned really BAD!! Could not drive over 50 miles an hour. Long story short, I don't ride in much rain, usually light rain. But on a long trip it is beyond your control. I plan to continue to run the HydroEdge because of the wear being so good. But if ever I go on a long trip again (2 weeks) I will put the original tire back on. Hydroplaning scared the SH*T out of me.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

HYDROPLANING ! ! !

I was one that touted the Hydroedge also. It wears like iron. It is good in light rain. In August we went to Yellowstone and just out of Rapid City SD ran into very hard rain. My wife and I ride a 2011 RT with 622 trailer. It hydroplaned really BAD!! Could not drive over 50 miles an hour. Long story short, I don't ride in much rain, usually light rain. But on a long trip it is beyond your control. I plan to continue to run the HydroEdge because of the wear being so good. But if ever I go on a long trip again (2 weeks) I will put the original tire back on. Hydroplaning scared the SH*T out of me.

:lecturef_smilie:........When I was an LEO I went to school and learned about Hydroplaning in regards to accident investigation....It was extensively covered by some experts in the field.....The most important thing I learned was this :::..All tires can and will Hydroplane under the right circumstances. " lyonsden " if you think under the circumstances you described the OEM tire would not have Hydroplaned, you are mistaken. It is really a question of " WHEN " not if ......There are tires that are less prone to Hydroplaning ( winter tires, as an extreme example ) but even the Best of them lose their "edge" so to speak as the tread wears......IMHO, the largest factor in the Hydroplaning issue is the Spyder itself . The lighter the vehicle the more prone it is to " float " and what gives the Spyder great lateral traction ( holding ability in turning ) is the large "foot print " the tires have. This combination has more to do with "Hydroplaning" than the exact type of tire you have on the Spyder. Don't run any tires past the useful life of the tread ( because they will Hydro first ) and drive Smart.....When conditions deteriorate act accordingly and expect the " UNEXPECTED " .....This was not meant as a lecture, I just hope this helps everyone understand ...." HYDROPLANING " a little better .......Mike :thumbup:

 

[sduskin]

Thank you.

On my 2014 RT-S the OEM tire is 225/50R15 per the Can-Am website. The Michellin that folks are talking about is 215/60R15. Right?

So, What the numbers mean is:
- tread section is 225 millimeters in width
- sidewall height is 50% of the tread section measurement so 112.5 millimeters in height
- R means its a radial tire
- and 15 is the rim diameter in inches

These number are for an unmounted and unloaded tire.

So going from a 112.5mm sidewall (the 50%) height to a 129mm sidewall (the 60%) height makes the unloaded unmounted tire about 16.5mm wider from the center of the axle to the edge of the tire. This is just over 1/2 inch. Going to the 225/60R15 will change the same measurement by 22.5mm. About 1 inch.

What I am driving at is this - if the "nanny" allow up to a 10% variance for treadwear, over/under-pressure, etc. then the 215/60R15's probably will NOT trigger the codes. Conversely, I can easily see the 225/60R15 causing issues as it is at the 10% variance I am assuming the nanny has.

I am new to Spyders and as I have almost 3700 miles on my current rear tire I read everyone's comments very thoroughly. I will probably have to my tire relatively soon.

I think it would be VERY interesting to have round-table discussions with the various engineers at BRP as to why they did some of the things they did...

Thank you, everyone for your insights, opinions, and responses.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

????????????????????

On my 2014 RT-S the OEM tire is 225/50R15 per the Can-Am website. The Michellin that folks are talking about is 215/60R15. Right?

So, What the numbers mean is:
- tread section is 225 millimeters in width
- sidewall height is 50% of the tread section measurement so 112.5 millimeters in height
- R means its a radial tire
- and 15 is the rim diameter in inches

These number are for an unmounted and unloaded tire.

So going from a 112.5mm sidewall (the 50%) height to a 129mm sidewall (the 60%) height makes the unloaded unmounted tire about 16.5mm wider from the center of the axle to the edge of the tire. This is just over 1/2 inch. Going to the 225/60R15 will change the same measurement by 22.5mm. About 1 inch.

What I am driving at is this - if the "nanny" allow up to a 10% variance for treadwear, over/under-pressure, etc. then the 215/60R15's probably will NOT trigger the codes. Conversely, I can easily see the 225/60R15 causing issues as it is at the 10% variance I am assuming the nanny has.

I am new to Spyders and as I have almost 3700 miles on my current rear tire I read everyone's comments very thoroughly. I will probably have to my tire relatively soon.

I think it would be VERY interesting to have round-table discussions with the various engineers at BRP as to why they did some of the things they did...

Thank you, everyone for your insights, opinions, and responses.

:hun:..........Lots of numbers here ....to simplify are you saying the difference between a 215/60 and a 225/60 tire, is 1/2 inch in height ( measured from the axel ) ..........IMHO I don't think so and I don't think the difference what ever it is .....is enough to trigger the Nanny ......Mike :thumbup:

 

[lyonsden]

:lecturef_smilie:........When I was an LEO I went to school and learned about Hydroplaning in regards to accident investigation....It was extensively covered by some experts in the field.....The most important thing I learned was this :::..All tires can and will Hydroplane under the right circumstances. " lyonsden " if you think under the circumstances you described the OEM tire would not have Hydroplaned, you are mistaken. It is really a question of " WHEN " not if ......There are tires that are less prone to Hydroplaning ( winter tires, as an extreme example ) but even the Best of them lose their "edge" so to speak as the tread wears......IMHO, the largest factor in the Hydroplaning issue is the Spyder itself . The lighter the vehicle the more prone it is to " float " and what gives the Spyder great lateral traction ( holding ability in turning ) is the large "foot print " the tires have. This combination has more to do with "Hydroplaning" than the exact type of tire you have on the Spyder. Don't run any tires past the useful life of the tread ( because they will Hydro first ) and drive Smart.....When conditions deteriorate act accordingly and expect the " UNEXPECTED " .....This was not meant as a lecture, I just hope this helps everyone understand ...." HYDROPLANING " a little better .......Mike :thumbup:

I don't take it as a lecture. I appreciate the information. I am basing my opinion on my own experiences. When I had the OEM tire on and it had about 4000 miles on it we came back from Spyderfest in pouring down rain. 2 up pulling the trailer. I zoomed along at 65 to 68 mph no problems at all. (I will say between me an my wife we weighed about 100 lbs more at this time.) When that same tire was bald in the center I rode it to Sioux Falls SD in the rain 1 up and it hydroplaned bad. The hydroedge hydroplaned really bad in HEAVY rain and still had lots of tread. So, is it the tire or less weight, I don't know for sure. I do know it is not something I want to experience again so I will be putting the OEM tire back on for long trips.

 

[jcoe]

Michelin HydroEdge Radial Tire - 215/60R15 93T

Where can I purchase this tire at? Went on the Amazon site and ask me to verify the auto first before allowing me to purchase it.

John:doorag:

 

[bluep]

how about a michelin defender

Seeing as how the Hydro edge is discontinued how about the Defender as a replacement??? I got a Defender 215/60/15 but it appears to be much taller then the stock tire at 225/50/15.
My stock tire lasted 7300 mi. I replaced it with a Somomoto 215/60/15. But as I remember the Somo was vary close to the same highth and circumference as the stock 225/50/15.
When I stand the new Michelin Defender beside the original worn out stock tire the defender is a good 1.25 inches taller. Of course the stock tire is worn out and the defender is new and never mounted yet.
Is anybody running the Michelin Defender 215/60/15 at present time yet.
The Somomoto is a 75000 mi. tire. I now have 42000 mi on it Has worked great. Getting worn down, thinking of replacing with the Michelin Defender
My bike is 2014 RT-S