BUDS

[finless]

"The Federal and Ninth Circuits agree that “intellectual property rights
do not confer a privilege to violate the antitrust laws.” 40 In Kodak , the Ninth
Circuit noted that “two principles have emerged regarding the interplay
between these [antitrust and intellectual property] laws: (1) neither patent nor copyright
holders are immune from antitrust liability, and (2) patent and copyright holders may refuse to
sell or license protected work.”41

1 In 1994, Xerox settled an antitrust suit brought against it by a class of ISOs. Under the settlement, Xerox suspended its parts policy for 6 1/2 years and agreed to license its diagnostic software to ISOs for 4 1/2 years.



Bob

 

[Sny]

Next question. What are the people that are doing Laser alignments that are not BRP dealers doing???

If needed, they send you to a dealership for the steering position reset/re-zero.

 

[SpyRyd]

If needed, they send you to a dealership for the steering position reset/re-zero.

It's my understanding that some/many independent laser alignment folks have a "version" of BUDS. It is also my understanding that Lamont has the "real" BUDS that he uses to reset steering sensors following a laser alignment.

 

[Magdave]

It's my understanding that some/many independent laser alignment folks have a "version" of BUDS. It is also my understanding that Lamont has the "real" BUDS that he uses to reset steering sensors following a laser alignment.

Just like Microsoft there are always updates to Buds like the recent 2013 ECM update. That said I bet any old version will zero the steering. DPS has not changed.:dontknow:

 

[SpyRyd]

Just like Microsoft there are always updates to Buds like the recent 2013 ECM update. That said I bet any old version will zero the steering. DPS has not changed.:dontknow:

When I used the term "version" I wasn't referring to an outdated release but rather a non-BRP BUDS. Poor choice of words for sure.

 

[Dizneyman]

Independents doing laser alignment claiming they have buds

http://www.spydercomfort.com/independant dealers.htm

 

[SNOOPY]

Brpdiagnostics is legit. The only downside I have heard from a few that have it is that they don't get the updates quite as quickly as the dealer.

True, you buy yearly updates from them.

Whereas BRP dealers may get a few updates through the year.

You can get systems for the Can Am about $1000-$1200 plus $100 updates if needed for newer bikes.

Seadoo systems are a little more and require the DESS cable hook up.

Don't buy into all the hype, but it is expensive.
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[SNOOPY]

Next question. What are the people that are doing Laser alignments that are not BRP dealers doing???

Not all laser alignments need the BUDS reset.

Only if they are off quite a bit, then you can take it to a dealer for reset.

I did my laser alignment w a friend and it worked great and needed no reset, threw no codes.

I'll have it checked when it goes to the dealer next time.

.

 

[arntufun]

It's my understanding that some/many independent laser alignment folks have a "version" of BUDS. It is also my understanding that Lamont has the "real" BUDS that he uses to reset steering sensors following a laser alignment.

Where are these laser alignment sponsors getting this so called "version" of buds ????????opcorn:

 

[fastfraser]

Where are these laser alignment sponsors getting this so called "version" of buds ????????opcorn:

WWW.SPYDERCOMFORT.COM 900 bucks plus updates.:yikes:

 

[finless]

I believe Digital Millennium Copyright Act supports BRP's right to maintain a closed software system.
Try to buy Dish Network's or Direct TV's decoding software.

It's illegal and people have been prosecuted for attempting to recreate it.

The software is deemed proprietary.

If BRP wanted to be really nasty about, they could concoct a bullet that would disable a Spyder connected to a gray market copy of the software.

I think the Dish thing is different. The decoding software allows for paid content. Having it allows you to cheat the paid service and steal content.

Servicing a spyder is different. Just like servicing a copier or a car. It is an antitrust issue to not allow 3rd party service of a vehicle. I understand about the updates and this is why my company when they were forced to release the diagnostic software also had a subscription fee for updates. Also we are not saying they have to release source code or any proprietary info like how BUDs works. But if taken to court they might be forced to sell BUDs to anyone that wants it to provide service. Right now, BRP holds a monopoly on servicing the spyder even for basic service items!

Bob

 

[Nils888]

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:

 

[Bob Denman]

Do you think that we're getting a little bit far away from the original question?? :shocked:
I couldn't care less about intillectual property this; or authorized that!
What are the laser alignment folks doing when it comes time to re-set those sensors?

 

[Jeriatric]

Do you think that we're getting a little bit far away from the original question?? :shocked:
I couldn't care less about intillectual property this; or authorized that!
What are the laser alignment folks doing when it comes time to re-set those sensors?

Off topic? Really Bob? Care for some ice cream with that cheese....:joke:

As to how they are reseting. BUDS - original, or lite. :roflblack:

 

[DR Buck]

WWW.SPYDERCOMFORT.COM 900 bucks plus updates.:yikes:

There is nothing at this link that indicates they sell BUDS.

 

[Bob Denman]

Off topic? Really Bob? Care for some ice cream with that cheese....:joke:

As to how they are reseting. BUDS - original, or lite. :roflblack:

One time... :shocked:

The ONE time, that I actually try to act all serious... :shocked:

And I get crap for it! :gaah:
I guess that I've earned it! :thumbup: :roflblack:

 

[NancysToy]

The process is simple, you can purchase a Toyota special tool that connects to the OBD port, or as most DIY guys will do, it can also be done with two paperclips.

The Spyder doesn't have an OBD port. It's diagnostic port is proprietary, too.

 

[DrewNJ]

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:

I knew you had to be lingering somewhere in the shadows!
Funny isn't it? Same song and dance, different venue.....like déjà vu.


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[NancysToy]

I don't think that is the case as the connector can be purchased at any electrical supply house.

Perhaps "proprietary" was the wrong word to use. BRP uses a connector of their own choosing...it dos not match th OBD configuration or spec.

 

[NancysToy]

Sorry, my comparison was to Toyota systems that can use or may not require an oem program, not stating the Can Am uses OBD style connectors.

Again, for the Tacoma, the oem service manual explains both methods of resetting the steering angle sensor and other vehicle stability sensors. One method uses the Toyota equivalent of a BUDs setup, but it also explains how to accomplish the same task without the specialty equipment.

PK

BUDS does it only though the computer interface and a prescribed procedure. There is no alternate for the Spyder, I'm afraid. It is unlikely that there is any work-around that would be feasible.