RS Problems to new owner- Any help appreciated!

[plmilligan1968]

Oh, oh.

I meant that the Kill switch (red button) is off (pressed down) the M (mode button) is pressed and I press the black ignition switch it doesn't start, just resets without even stirring the engine. Click, reset, lighted dash like it reboots again. I've just got home from work and it's pitch black now. First thing in the morning I will get the left pannier, pannier rack and side panel off to investigate the battery cables. I have ordered a new battery anyway as a spare is always handy Hopefully it's a loose connection and that needs tightening which will then allow me to do a few laps of the TT course If not I will have to wait for the battery to arrive.

If it's a cable or battery prob I will let you all know. If the cables, connections are fine and I replace the battery and it still just resets then I have concerns but we are not there yet.

Just a quick question, any idea why she won't jump start. I have a fully charged new battery jumper but it doesn't do anything to the bike, no different at all?

Cheers
Paul M

 

[boborgera]

. I've just got home from work and it's pitch black now. First thing in the morning I will get the left pannier, pannier rack and side panel off to investigate the battery cables.



Just a quick question, any idea why she won't jump start. I have a fully charged new battery jumper but it doesn't do anything to the bike, no different at all?

Cheers
Paul M

If you didn't get to the battery, [remove panels] how did you try to jump start?

 

[plmilligan1968]

If you didn't get to the battery, [remove panels] how did you try to jump start?

Boborgera

I tried to jump start her by connecting the fully charged battery jump starter to the terminals underneath the seat. The left side is positive and the right side is negative I believe. No side panel removal was necessary. It didn't make any difference as the bike did not even stir or try to fire up with the jump starter attached.

Back to square one and remove the panels check the connections, clean them and reconnect them and try again. If still nothing, a new battery will arrive on Monday, so I will swap that out and hope for the best.

Cheers
Paul

 

[boborgera]

Boborgera

I tried to jump start her by connecting the fully charged battery jump starter to the terminals underneath the seat. The left side is positive and the right side is negative I believe. No side panel removal was necessary. It didn't make any difference as the bike did not even stir or try to fire up with the jump starter attached.

Back to square one and remove the panels check the connections, clean them and reconnect them and try again. If still nothing, a new battery will arrive on Monday, so I will swap that out and hope for the best.

Cheers
Paul

If your battery is dead [fried], Or one of the terminals At the battery is off/very lose, Those terminals won't work..

 

[plmilligan1968]

If your battery is dead [fried], Or one of the terminals At the battery is off/very lose, Those terminals won't work..

Well this morning i removed the pannier rack, indicator and side panel and battery. Cleaned the terminals reconnected the, attached a battery kick starter and fired her up. Just a click again, it doesn't even try to turnover. I've had the battery on charge for 5 hours and from start of charge to now it only zhows 4 of 5 lights charged, its not budged. After charging i reconnected the battery and fired her again, same click that seems to come from the battery followed by a second hiss. The battery recharge and kick starter has done nothing. I hope it is the battery that has just died and is not outputting enough to even turn her over. New battery arrives on Monday. My fingers and toes are crossed.

Paul M

 

[mcaccamise]

I have read your starting sequence and you have said twice the red kill switch is off it should be in the on position than mode and start button pushed. Make sure the red kill switch is in the on position NOT off before starting.

 

[plmilligan1968]

I have read your starting sequence and you have said twice the red kill switch is off it should be in the on position than mode and start button pushed. Make sure the red kill switch is in the on position NOT off before starting.

Kill switch is most definitely on (down position) not moved at all. Ignition on, mode button pushed once, then ignition. Click and no turn-over at all.
I am hoping and guessing that it is a goosed battery. I will find out on Monday, it's a gutter as the weather this weekend is perfect biking weather, bright, sunny and reasonably warm. Just no firing bike. Hopefully on Monday the new battery will get me bike mobile again.

Cheers
Paul M

 

[Silvervette05]

Reading everything in the post, IMO it could be a dead short in the battery.

 

[plmilligan1968]

Reading everything in the post, IMO it could be a dead short in the battery.

Hi all

The new battery arrived today and I connected it up and tried to fire her up and nothing but a click again. I fully expected the bike to start after replacing the battery.

The dash lights up the needles rise and fall. I click the mode button and hit the ignition switch and nothing but a loud click. When she clicks all the lights on the dash dim out. Could it be a fuse ? I notice the main fuse one on the left side is much larger than the others and therefore not swappable. Is it ok to switch main fuse 2 with the fan fuse ? are they the same? (its a 2010 RS).

Any other suggestions to try ?? I have only had this bike a little over a week and I am very disappointed that a problem like this has set in already and just want to ride it. There is no dealer on the Island where I live and it will be a very costly exercise shipping the dead bike to a dealer in mainland UK even before he starts looking at it.

Thanks in advance.
Paul M

 

[quickster47]

I am beginning to think you could have a bad starter solenoid or even the starter itself is actually bad. Especially after the way you described the lights as going dim when trying to start her up.

Carl

 

[plmilligan1968]

I am beginning to think you could have a bad starter solenoid or even the starter itself is actually bad. Especially after the way you described the lights as going dim when trying to start her up.

Carl

Thanks for your reply Carl.

It is very strange as I rode her back on Island 530 miles no problems. The next morning I try and start her up and and she won't start at all. I don't get it?

Where is the starter/solenoid located? Just in case there is a lose connection ?

If it was the starter or solenoid would the bike throw any codes?

Thanks
Cheers
Paul M

 

[quickster47]

I doubt that it would throw any codes for that type of problem.

And since I do not have a GS or RS I can not tell you where the starter solenoid is located on your bike. But I am betting it might be close the the battery.

Carl

 

[DragonLorD]

youtube

take a video, even on your phone about what you doing and post a link here - fastest problem solving ever
i bet its something small and silly
also check if your new battery came fully charged, install it and tight poles before you attempt to do anything else
hurry up

 

[boborgera]

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Where is the starter/solenoid located? Just in case there is a lose connection ?


Thanks
Cheers
Paul M

The solenoid is is next to the battery, And if memory serves me well, and just to the left,
There is a heavy red wire from the battery to the solenoid....
Usually when you hit the start button and hear a loud click/ing it's the battery ,bad cell...

 

[wyliec]

When you press the M (mode) button does the scrolling message go away and stay or does it come back?

 

[plmilligan1968]

When you press the M (mode) button does the scrolling message go away and stay or does it come back?

Wyliec, it goes away and stays away.

The battery replaced and charged, fuses swapped out, battery connections clean & tight, battery ground clean & tight. NO start just click. Here is a video showing what is happening. It looks like a solenoid or starter. Does anyone have any idea how easy these are to replace and how much they cost. I am deliberating on shipping the bike off Island to a dealer in the UK or buy and replace these parts?

Please watch the video and any further advice would be much appreciated! Thanks to everyone who has responded, you are very kind indeed and the help is much appreciated!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9TcsiXuOOvIVGNRMHZTT1dhbms/edit?usp=sharing

With kind regards
Paul Milligan

 

[NancysToy]

Your solenoid is obviously OK. You can hear the click. It could be failing to pass any current, but I doubt it. Checking for voltage at the starter end of the cable while trying the switch would confirm it. Looks like a seized engine or a bad starter. BTW, your code check procedure appears to be faulty. The display should read "No Active Fault Code" or show the fault codes sequentially if the procedure is done correctly. Remember that you have to be in the "Total Hours" display before you push the buttons. Don't expect a fault code with this problem, however.

 

[Neez]

Since you seem to have tried the obvious cures, I should relate my troubles ,which were similar. My 2008 GS-SE5, when fairly new, refused to start so I had it towed to the dealership. After trying the obvious things, they replaced the battery. No cure. Then they replaced the starter. Still no cure. They finally discovered that the bearings in the starter drive train were too tight, and they replaced these on warrantee at no cost to me. That cured the problem, and I have had no grief with it since. The mechanic said that it was a rare occurrence but it does occasionally happen. PS- they also bore the cost of the replaced battery and starter and the tow.

 

[plmilligan1968]

Since you seem to have tried the obvious cures, I should relate my troubles ,which were similar. My 2008 GS-SE5, when fairly new, refused to start so I had it towed to the dealership. After trying the obvious things, they replaced the battery. No cure. Then they replaced the starter. Still no cure. They finally discovered that the bearings in the starter drive train were too tight, and they replaced these on warrantee at no cost to me. That cured the problem, and I have had no grief with it since. The mechanic said that it was a rare occurrence but it does occasionally happen. PS- they also bore the cost of the replaced battery and starter and the tow.

It sure looks like the starter motor has died.

I now have to find the best method of getting the Spyder back to a dealer on the Mainland, an expensive exercise. While it is there I will get some mods installed to make it worth the journey.

I only had her on the Island for 2 days before this trouble. It seems I will be without a ride for another couple of weeks. I sure hope I have more luck when she returns, or my Spyder ownership will be short and expensive.

Now where is that bottle of wine :-(

Cheers
Paul M

 

[boborgera]

It sure looks like the starter motor has died.

I now have to find the best method of getting the Spyder back to a dealer on the Mainland, an expensive exercise. While it is there I will get some mods installed to make it worth the journey.

I only had her on the Island for 2 days before this trouble. It seems I will be without a ride for another couple of weeks. I sure hope I have more luck when she returns, or my Spyder ownership will be short and expensive.

Now where is that bottle of wine :-(

Cheers
Paul M

Usually when a starter gos bad it will spin but not engage the fly wheel.:dontknow:
I replaced many starters on cars [Never on a bike/trike] over the years, And most times the bendix spring,
Would weaken/brake and just spin the starter gear..