The dreaded right foot french frier

[Doktor]

Okay, I'll chime in on this one. It's obvious that you have a 2013 RT-S. (look at the front fenders). The question I propose is although you have blocked off what I call the TOP "black hole" of heat, what about the one below it? I call it the LOWER "black hole" of heat. In fact it is the latter that causes me problems. If you place your foot forward on your 2013 floorboard, it is directly in front of that LOWER "black hole" of heat. This is where I experience the blow torch effect.

I'm not complaining because I had this heat on my 2010 and had Harvey at Spyderpops put on a heat shield. He also took off the pans underneath. I've just been too lazy or too cheap to get with him to have this done to my 2013. However, I am still a bit concerned that since you cannot remove the pans underneath on the 2013's whether the problem will be solved. I think that I'll still have that hot air blowing through the LOWER "black hole".

Chris

Thanks Chris,
I'd not had as much problem with the lower "black hole" I could get my foot rearward on the floorboard enough to get away from there, the upper, for me was the serious fry cook for me. I know the heat there, if left in place, would cause, at the least, a first degree burn to the right foot. Bombardier really needs to address that, I don't know how it can be done, but burns hurt, and I don't "very like" them, as my step son used to say.


Doc

 

[GuitarPlayer]

On my 2013 RT Ltd., I too thought that I didn't have a heat problem. That was until I went from Iowa to Maggie Valley last June. I think the right side was so hot I did get a first degree burn on my right foot. Once I got to Maggie Valley, I had Harvey from SpyderPops put on the upper right side heat shield. While this helped a little it didn't do much at all. The lower hole on the right side puts out a lot of heat.

After I got home, I did some research and figured that a set of Baker Air Wings, including the lower wings would help or so the Baker Wing ad said. I installed the wings and that did help a little bit but the right side is still pretty hot.

I talked with my Mechanic at Metro Motorsports in Cedar Rapids, and he suggested a ISCI Fan Can. He's said he's had good luck with that item. The only problem is that ISCI hasn't updated the Fan Can to work with the 2013 RT's yet. I did call them and they said they should have something in late July or August. Well, it's now the end of August and I still have seen updates to the Fan Can on their web site yet. I should probably call them and see if there's any update.

So I tried another approach. I looked on-line for heat insulating socks or boots. I didn't find any socks I thought would work but I did find some boots. I bought a pair of All American Fire Fighter boots (~$200) and they have some pretty thick leather and they're supposedly what fire fighters wear when they're fighting forest fires. They're clunky but they seem to have helped solved the problem. This last week we had some pretty warm days and while my right foot got warm, it wasn't burning up. I'll know more this week as the weather is supposed to be hot.

So until ISCI get's the Fan Can updated for the 2013 RT's, I'm going to use what I have now. Of course, if BRP could fix the problem that would be even better. I'm not sure what they can do though, The heat's got to go somewhere.

Tony

 

[AbNormy]

Can we call you fire Marshall? Boots! What a concept :thumbup:
I like Spyderpops block off plates I bought last year and just last week added the small piece that glues to the plate! But he also drilled my cowling and I took the base pan off.

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[cuznjohn]

socks

On my 2013 RT Ltd., I too thought that I didn't have a heat problem. That was until I went from Iowa to Maggie Valley last June. I think the right side was so hot I did get a first degree burn on my right foot. Once I got to Maggie Valley, I had Harvey from SpyderPops put on the upper right side heat shield. While this helped a little it didn't do much at all. The lower hole on the right side puts out a lot of heat.

After I got home, I did some research and figured that a set of Baker Air Wings, including the lower wings would help or so the Baker Wing ad said. I installed the wings and that did help a little bit but the right side is still pretty hot.

I talked with my Mechanic at Metro Motorsports in Cedar Rapids, and he suggested a ISCI Fan Can. He's said he's had good luck with that item. The only problem is that ISCI hasn't updated the Fan Can to work with the 2013 RT's yet. I did call them and they said they should have something in late July or August. Well, it's now the end of August and I still have seen updates to the Fan Can on their web site yet. I should probably call them and see if there's any update.

So I tried another approach. I looked on-line for heat insulating socks or boots. I didn't find any socks I thought would work but I did find some boots. I bought a pair of All American Fire Fighter boots (~$200) and they have some pretty thick leather and they're supposedly what fire fighters wear when they're fighting forest fires. They're clunky but they seem to have helped solved the problem. This last week we had some pretty warm days and while my right foot got warm, it wasn't burning up. I'll know more this week as the weather is supposed to be hot.

So until ISCI get's the Fan Can updated for the 2013 RT's, I'm going to use what I have now. Of course, if BRP could fix the problem that would be even better. I'm not sure what they can do though, The heat's got to go somewhere.

Tony

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-54300 pretty interesting

 

[MouthPiece]

On my 2013 RT Ltd., I too thought that I didn't have a heat problem. That was until I went from Iowa to Maggie Valley last June. I think the right side was so hot I did get a first degree burn on my right foot. Once I got to Maggie Valley, I had Harvey from SpyderPops put on the upper right side heat shield. While this helped a little it didn't do much at all. The lower hole on the right side puts out a lot of heat.

After I got home, I did some research and figured that a set of Baker Air Wings, including the lower wings would help or so the Baker Wing ad said. I installed the wings and that did help a little bit but the right side is still pretty hot.

I talked with my Mechanic at Metro Motorsports in Cedar Rapids, and he suggested a ISCI Fan Can. He's said he's had good luck with that item. The only problem is that ISCI hasn't updated the Fan Can to work with the 2013 RT's yet. I did call them and they said they should have something in late July or August. Well, it's now the end of August and I still have seen updates to the Fan Can on their web site yet. I should probably call them and see if there's any update.

So I tried another approach. I looked on-line for heat insulating socks or boots. I didn't find any socks I thought would work but I did find some boots. I bought a pair of All American Fire Fighter boots (~$200) and they have some pretty thick leather and they're supposedly what fire fighters wear when they're fighting forest fires. They're clunky but they seem to have helped solved the problem. This last week we had some pretty warm days and while my right foot got warm, it wasn't burning up. I'll know more this week as the weather is supposed to be hot.

So until ISCI get's the Fan Can updated for the 2013 RT's, I'm going to use what I have now. Of course, if BRP could fix the problem that would be even better. I'm not sure what they can do though, The heat's got to go somewhere.

Tony

I'm looking at this solution with interest. I see two possibilities. One is the spyderpops block off plate with a baker wing (lower) installed to take care of the "lower hole".

The solution you are offering up in your post also makes sense to me. I'm going to wait and see if and what ISCI might come up with.

I would note that on my 2010 RT-S the spyderpops block off plate and removing the pans underneath did wonders. However, my 2010 had footpegs and not a floor board. If you take a look at where the placement of the footpeg is, you will find that your foot placement is much higher than where they rest with the 2013 floorobards. Consequently, the 2010 fix, i.e., spyderpops block off plate worked in that the lower hole heat went underneath your foot. However, that is not the case with the 2013 floorboards. Your foot is flat out next to the hole. Admittedly you can move your foot back and that does help. However, isn't that why we had floorboards was to stretch your leg out?

Again, I think your solution sounds logical as well as the spyderpops fix with a lower baker airwing.

(Now what do we Corbin seat riders do with the heat that comes out our gas tank door.)

Chris

 

[Doktor]

My wife and I decided to go for a quick ride before dinner this evening, I decided to go down to the Fort Jackson Recreation Area, a military lake and camping area about 15 miles, I guess, from the house. We rode about 2 miles uphill behind a overweight pulp truck struggling to get up a steep grade. He was probably making, maybe, 5-8 mph, I was constantly watching the temperature gauge to see for any abnormal rise, none at that point, and once he peaked the hill, he was rolling along like a raped ape, test one was a pass. We rode the rest of the way to the lake unhampered. Test 2 was a pass, no hot feet on the highway pegs (webs). We entered into the rec area, and I, purposely, drove very slow, 5-10 mph for a couple of miles around the campground, up and down the hills, probably, only momentarily, above 2000 rpm, stopped and started several times, test 3 was a pass, as well. No excessive heat either on the gauge or on the foot, floorboard, or on the pegs. Later in the week, maybe Friday or Saturday, I'll go to the next phase, hook my utility trailer up, and do the same circuit, my ultimate test, however, will be to hook up my Kwik Kamp popup camper behind Big Red, and pull it through the circuit.
Tentatively, my hot foot mod is a success:f_spider::f_spider: yay.


Doc

 

[Bob Denman]

Bob? I've looked and looked for that post. If you get a chance and it's not too hard, would you please post here? I'd sho nuff appreciated. (and I take back all the bad stuff I've said about ya.

You're gonna have to keep repeating all of the bad stuff... pps: I know that he said it; I just don't know where it was posted... :gaah:

 

[ringalls51]

2013 rt-s

hi just got 2013 rt-s just wondering I was told that there is a whole under the glove box that you can cover up to stop a lot of heat on the rider Have not found anything yet on this

 

[Bob Denman]

No excessive heat either on the gauge or on the foot, floorboard, or on the pegs. Later in the week, maybe Friday or Saturday, I'll go to the next phase, hook my utility trailer up, and do the same circuit, my ultimate test, however, will be to hook up my Kwik Kamp popup camper behind Big Red, and pull it through the circuit.
Tentatively, my hot foot mod is a success:f_spider::f_spider:

 

[Dan McNally]

I don't have the mechanical ability (nor the tools needed) to do this, but it seems as though a cover for both the upper and lower radiator vents could be fabricated that had large chromed truck exhaust pipes or something similar formed from heavy sheet metal, that merged and extended just below the floor board. If the end was designed to create a venturi effect, it would help pull the heat out, venting it below the foot . . . or an exhaust fan could be in the pipe.

 

[CyncySpyder]

Not sure if this was what Bob was talk'n about, but Teddy did find this .............

I believe that Lamonot posted that those 2013 model year pans are removeable; it just isn't quite as easy on the prior models...

Bob? I've looked and looked for that post. If you get a chance and it's not too hard, would you please post here? I'd sho nuff appreciated. (and I take back all the bad stuff I've said about ya. ) Chris

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?55812-oil-plate-removal

But then, he kept looking a little deeper and found this one from way back in May
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?52594-Splash-Pan-on-2013-RT-S

 

[Spyder Smyles]

what year is your bike my 2013 doesn't have a heat problem

You are very fortunate that you do not have a heat problem. I have a 2013 RT-S and it had a major heat problem until my husband worked his magic by covering the pipes, installing some type of heat tape and adding the Spyderpops heat sheild. :dg2:

 

[Bob Denman]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?55812-oil-plate-removal

But then, he kept looking a little deeper and found this one from way back in May
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?52594-Splash-Pan-on-2013-RT-S

So he did... and then he didn't! pps:

I guess that I was only half-right this time!

 

[GuitarPlayer]

An update of trying the new fire fighter boots I just purchased.

When ever the forecast says it's going to sunny out I commute to work which is 100 miles round trip. I don't mind driving in the rain but I wouldn't want to try driving the RT in a thunderstorm like we usually get here. My commute is about half freeway and half 2-lane.

Yesterday afternoon the temp was 95 degrees for my trip home. It was quite warm. I wore the fire fighter boots I just purchased and I must say that while my right foot got warm, it was very tolerable and much better that with the previous Can-Am boots or First Gear boots that I have. The boots are All American Fire Fighting 401 and I purchased them from stompersboots.com. Chippewa Boots also makes a boot that's similar.

As I said above, I think for now until ISCI get's the Fan Can updated for the 2013 RT's, I'm going to go with this setup. Other than this heat problem, my RT Limited runs great and I've put on over 7500 miles since last April.

Hope this helps,

Tony

 

[MouthPiece]

I feel like I need to add to this heat issue thing. I've known about the heat since day one when I bought my first 2010 RT-S. It certainly wasn't anything "new to me" and I was fully aware. Knowing the above, I still choose most of the time from late February to the following December of the same year to wear shorts and tennis shoes. I'm a native Flowridian and choose this dress attire for reasons that most 70 year old Native Flowridians would understand.

When mother nature decides to cool down around these parts, I then wear jeans with either cowboy boots or my tennies. Keep in mind that all of this in conjunction with the heat issue. It's simply a choice on my part. Would I like for the spyder not to have this issue? You betcha. However, it is not a game changer for me and I live with it and enjoy this ride more than any I've ever had.

Sum and substance is that it may seem that I'm complaining about this heat issue. I'm not.

Chris

 

[Spyder Smyles]

I'm looking at this solution with interest. I see two possibilities. One is the spyderpops block off plate with a baker wing (lower) installed to take care of the "lower hole".

The solution you are offering up in your post also makes sense to me. I'm going to wait and see if and what ISCI might come up with.

I would note that on my 2010 RT-S the spyderpops block off plate and removing the pans underneath did wonders. However, my 2010 had footpegs and not a floor board. If you take a look at where the placement of the footpeg is, you will find that your foot placement is much higher than where they rest with the 2013 floorobards. Consequently, the 2010 fix, i.e., spyderpops block off plate worked in that the lower hole heat went underneath your foot. However, that is not the case with the 2013 floorboards. Your foot is flat out next to the hole. Admittedly you can move your foot back and that does help. However, isn't that why we had floorboards was to stretch your leg out?

Again, I think your solution sounds logical as well as the spyderpops fix with a lower baker airwing.

(Now what do we Corbin seat riders do with the heat that comes out our gas tank door.)

Chris

Chris I ran into the same problem with my new Corbin seat, my husband added heat tape and a heat shield blanket under the tupperware and around the the gas cap area, he also wrapped my pipes to help with the heat and it worked great. I no longer have heat coming through my gas tank door.

 

[rick_w]

wrapping and block off plates

Chris I ran into the same problem with my new Corbin seat, my husband added heat tape and a heat shield blanket under the tupperware and around the the gas cap area, he also wrapped my pipes to help with the heat and it worked great. I no longer have heat coming through my gas tank door.

That was the answer for us also.
I wrapped the Left side pipe as you can see from the picture below and also installed more heat shielding as you can see from another picture.
That took a huge amount of heat away from the Left side and really the whole machine.
Also installed the Block Off Plate on the Upper Right side. There is really no comparison now.
Rick,
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[Doktor]

An update of trying the new fire fighter boots I just purchased.

When ever the forecast says it's going to sunny out I commute to work which is 100 miles round trip. I don't mind driving in the rain but I wouldn't want to try driving the RT in a thunderstorm like we usually get here. My commute is about half freeway and half 2-lane.

Yesterday afternoon the temp was 95 degrees for my trip home. It was quite warm. I wore the fire fighter boots I just purchased and I must say that while my right foot got warm, it was very tolerable and much better that with the previous Can-Am boots or First Gear boots that I have. The boots are All American Fire Fighting 401 and I purchased them from stompersboots.com. Chippewa Boots also makes a boot that's similar.

As I said above, I think for now until ISCI get's the Fan Can updated for the 2013 RT's, I'm going to go with this setup. Other than this heat problem, my RT Limited runs great and I've put on over 7500 miles since last April.

Hope this helps,

Tony

I'm glad that you've got a solution, and my solution was good until I was waiting at a gas station, and got the orange, I'm hotter than Halle Berry in Catwoman! screen. Of course the ambient temperature was at 104, so it may not be a true failure, but we, as owners, shouldn't have to come up with some kind of compromise for a lack of competent engineering on the part of BRP! don't get me wrong, I love the bike, but, if they'd have redirected that one area of heat to a place that would not fry the rider's foot, it would make all the difference. We are supposed to be totally happy with our vehicle. If our girlfriend was everything we ever wanted, but had a bad habit that we couldn't get past, say wore spurs on your bike, and kept scraping them across the seat, she would either need to get rid of the spurs, if she was going to ride, comedic, yes, but we'd be hard pressed to let her continue gouging up your seat. To me it is the same type of thing. I like riding, but that blast furnace is a BIG spur in the flank of our bike.
Having to wear heavy boots doesn't eliminate the heat, if you had to do an "Iron Butt" because your life depended on it, those boots would just continue to heat up, until the amount of surface area heated penetrated to your foot. Now in addition to having overheated boots, they will not cool down in the amount of time that just filling your tank, your foot is now burning up, and you have so much mass heated that it stays hot much longer. Physics does still have laws, and the bigger the mass, the slower it will cool.
Many of us live in climates or have health issues that make it unacceptable to wear those boots. The engineers really need to address the heat issue. I had a Goldwing that had a vent that did what our heat problem does, but made it capable of being controlled by the driver. You didn't have to be an unwilling participant.
Rant off


Doc

 

[poordom]

Moving air is at a lower pressure than static air....so.....I'm wondering whether forming a short length of duct with a cross section to match the shape of the outlet so that the duct outlet is outboard of your foot and ankle to let the lower pressure of the outside air (vehicle is moving forward) induces the hot air out of the engine compartment...???

I have tried different things, without any major success.

What you say makes lots of sense.

I had a similar thought, but would require the assistance, of a sheet metal worker.

Providing there is enough room to do so, I was thinking of having a duct made in such a way that the air flow would not be restricted, the duct would go over the fan at one end and right through the floor at the other.

The end going through the floor would have a spring loaded trap door, which would only open once the fan came on thus avoiding any crap from getting inside.

Now, once the fan cameall on, the flow created by the fan would force the trap to open, allowing the hot air to escape, further more, the air flow created under the trike due to movement would, I assume, generate a vacuum, essentially sucking the air out at a faster rate, than generated by the fan.

In theory all suggestions sound good, its only when you try it that everything goes to ****s, LOL.

Dom

 

[poordom]

Good morning All,

The more I think about this heat issue, on the right side, the more I wonder if we are not looking at it the wrong way.

Everyone including myself have been trying to redirect the hot air from the rad, is it at all possible that the heat generated is the result of a lack of fresh air being fed to the rad. in the first place.

Any thought on the subject.

Dom:banghead: