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First test drive first impressions

finless

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OK for some of you that have been following my purchasing of a RT, This coming Friday I go to Palm Springs to look at and if all goes well ride home a 2011 RT-S SM5. That's a 114 mile ride for a trike n00b. I have been nervous about it.
So I decided to go take a test driver at the Whittier Fun Center.
They did not have a manual trans model so I took a 2012 RTS SE5 out for a ride. And just for my wife to understand, she went with me.

I really do my research and studied the manual on all the buttons switches etc, how to start it, kill it, stop, shift, downshift, etc.. The Dealer manager was impressed I knew everything and thus basically said you ready to go?

The course they take you on is mostly residential but one area has some good curves so you get a feel of turning at speed (rather than just turning from a stop light). He starts you out with a little U-turn kind of "get a feel" in a small perking lot. I followed the dealer on another RTS. Last leg is out onto Whittier blvd where you can do 40.

Now per my previous posts I have ridden motorcycles before. On vacations like Key West, my wife and I would even rent Honda scooters that could go on the freeway. So while I don't claim to be a cycle expert by any means. I am not a total n00b either.

First impressions.
1) Up the first residential street I want to feel the steering so I wiggled the steering wheel left and right a few times to feel what the bike would do. WIERD to say the least. If felt like it was fighting me and wanted to go back to a straight course. My wife also freaked because she was not expecting the feeling she got on the back doing that! She thought something was wrong... Sorry dear! I told her to relax as I was just feeling it out.

2) First right turn at a stop and all was OK. Seems a little hard to turn compared to a bike though. I forgot to signal.

3) Next street was 30 MPH but had 3 stop signs. Dealer had me speed a little so I could get out of 1st gear. I got it up to 35.. From each stop I goosed it a little more and more to feel the power from take off. Also I watched the RPM on when to shift (above 4000! I know :) ). From reading I always wondered if 4000 would sound like it is screaming or something. Honestly piece of cake. I cant see why anyone would baby it more than that.

4) The next section was through a curvy residential area. But the curves are a little sharp. I know most of you would laugh and say "those arent curves!" But it was the first time taking a corner at speed. First corner I freaked! So did my wife. The feeling is ODD has hell! Nothing like a motorcycle! I also did everything wrong! When I went into the corner and felt the feeling of tipping over (or falling off) or whatever you want to call it, I hit the breaks to try and slow down a little... Bad move as that made the feeling worse! Both my wife and I were like... what the hell? I also did not lean into the turn as I have read here on how to ride it. That's when my wife got nervous for the rest of the ride.
However, there were about 4 more left and right curves in this stretch. My reading and sticking it in my head of how to ride this thing then kicked in... I have to say the information on this site for those that will do the research is INVALUABLE if you commit it to memory and study up! I told my wife to also lean like I do and use the hand rails. Next curve was better and I leaned in on the curve. Took at apex in and out better and stayed off the breaks. Next curve was even better and so on. My wife was still very nervous though after that first failed curve.
My only wish was if there could have been more curves to learn on in the test drive! I believe I still have a lot of learning/tuning to do to best get the feel for curves at speed.

5) Next was a right turn at a light. For safety the dealer waited for the light to turn green. There was also a cop car across the intersection which worried me a little as we were speeding a bit through the residential area. Nothing happened though. The stretch on this road was 35 mph with 2 lights which we hit both of them on a red. I tried downshifting manually... I obviously did it as the wrong speed or something because the first downshift was a good jerk. Wife freaked out a little again asking what I was doing wrong :). Up to the next light was a longer stretch and dealer had me get it up to 40. Got it into 3rd and this time let it downshift coming up to the next light. I thought it was weird myself. When I went to stop at the light, it kind of waited and it downshifted 2 gears almost one right after the other. Not sure what to make of that.

6) Next right was onto Whittier blvd which speed limit is 40. Now I have to say another lessons learned that I did not do but read about. Since the start I had the so called "death grip" on the handle bars! My hands were feeling it and at the turn I realized I was doing the other thing everyone said to learn to not do! So I made the turn and quickly got it up to 40 following the dealer. I think he really was trying to push so I could feel the bike better. I released my death grip and once at 40, man did the thing feel real good! We were in the right lane and there was a slower car. He signaled and went around jumping up the speed and then waited next to the car to see if I would follow. I went for it... speed it up to 45, he went faster to pass and so did I.. We go almost up to 50. When I went to go around the car I then realized I had NOT adjusted the mirrors. Had to turn the head around to make sure I was safely past the car. Little father and we turned back into the dealer.
He had gotten there ahead of me and when I pulled into the parking lot he was already backed in and parked. He said just leave it there. I ignored him and I wanted to see what reverse was like and how to back into a slot. Loved it! Glad they put reverse on these things.

Anyway test drive was over and I almost asked if we could go around again but other were in line waiting so no go on that.
Thoughts in the end?
A) I got lots to learn about riding these.
B) Straights at speed is just wonderful! Smooth ride and once you release the death grip, a pleasure to control.
C) First curves at some speed scare the hell out of you! Be ready for it your first time and STUDY how to ride one of these. Commit it to memory! Otherwise I think learning on one would be harder and possibly even cause you to not want one! Seriously the first sensation is just weird and unexpected!

Finally, I still am very nervous about riding one 110 miles home on highways without more experience. But I take it as a opportunity to learn too. We will be leaving Palm Springs at least by 10:00 AM to avoid Friday afternoon traffic. I have made a plan B just in case. When I get it on the highway at 55 and if I find I am not comfortable, we are going to stop and rent a U-Haul flatbed trailer. My SUV will have no problem pulling it and my buddy that is coming with me has tied downs. I have read the manual about how to tie it down. But I really do want to try and ride it home but safety and risk are #1 for me so there is plan B.

Anyway, my friend was with us and took this picture right after we got back from the ride. Wife doesn't look nervous ;)


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Bob
 
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By the way... just to add.
When I backed in, I did not apply the parking break... I mean parking break on a bike? It completely slipped my mind and I killed the engine and turned off the key. He ran right up and said wait... turn on the parking break! So he had to turn it on again and apply the break switch.

The manager went inside and the next couple was on the bike and I was standing next to them. The guy had NOT done any reading about it and I told him about the lean and death grip and my first experience. He looked at me odd then looked at the other sales rep with "is this guy saying the right thing? lean into the turn". Sales rep nodded and explained again about it.

Then they went to start it. On power up and holding mode, it would not start! I looked at the dash and noticed I had left it in reverse! I said oh it wont start because it is in reverse. Since I am getting a SM I never studied anything about this condition but I said there must be a procedure to get out of this. The sales rep tried and couldn't figure it out either. I wound up leaving before they figured it out. I know the manager would have known in a heart beat.

I get home logon here and what do you know... found the info right away. Press the break peddle dummy! :banghead:

Bob
 
Great write up and obviously, you have been reading. :) the odd feeling around turns is the main reason so many install the BajaRon anti-sway bar, but believe it or not, you actually learn to ride it that way with time. Some of us were carving corners way before the bar was available. Adding it, just made things that much better. I actually think its best to learn without the bar, so the technique becomes second nature. It will no doubt come in handy when you have to dodge an obstacle or the car that didn't see you.

Not sure what the dealer had the shocks set to, but I highly recommend setting them to 4 and your front tire pressure to 19 and the rear to 28, before you make the trip back to town. It'll definitely give the bike a more stable feel.

Outside of that, relax and enjoy the trip back. There's a ton of fun ahead of you. :)


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Yes I wish I had looked at the front shock setting but the excitement shut down my brain a little once I got off it. The current owner of the trike I am buying has them set to 5 and said this is where he liked it. You suggest I drop them to 4?

I will also check the pressure. Thanks for the tip!

Bob
 
Something to consider

Suggestion.

A route home you may want to consider.

I 10 to the 60 freeway / 60 to I 215 - and south towards San Diego / to Cajalco Rd West / to the I 15 north / then onto the 91.

Why? The interchange in Riverside can be very freaky because it is so congested. Not a place for a new rider to be.

Again. Just a suggestion.
 
Just relax, and try not to fight with the machine.

OK for some of you that have been following my purchasing of a RT, This coming Friday I go to Palm Springs to look at and if all goes well ride home a 2011 RT-S SM5. That's a 114 mile ride for a trike n00b. I have been nervous about it.
So I decided to go take a test driver at the Whittier Fun Center.
They did not have a manual trans model so I took a 2012 RTS SE5 out for a ride. And just for my wife to understand, she went with me.

I really do my research and studied the manual on all the buttons switches etc, how to start it, kill it, stop, shift, downshift, etc.. The Dealer manager was impressed I knew everything and thus basically said you ready to go?

The course they take you on is mostly residential but one area has some good curves so you get a feel of turning at speed (rather than just turning from a stop light). He starts you out with a little U-turn kind of "get a feel" in a small perking lot. I followed the dealer on another RTS. Last leg is out onto Whittier blvd where you can do 40.

Now per my previous posts I have ridden motorcycles before. On vacations like Key West, my wife and I would even rent Honda scooters that could go on the freeway. So while I don't claim to be a cycle expert by any means. I am not a total n00b either.

First impressions.
1) Up the first residential street I want to feel the steering so I wiggled the steering wheel left and right a few times to feel what the bike would do. WIERD to say the least. If felt like it was fighting me and wanted to go back to a straight course. My wife also freaked because she was not expecting the feeling she got on the back doing that! She thought something was wrong... Sorry dear! I told her to relax as I was just feeling it out.

2) First right turn at a stop and all was OK. Seems a little hard to turn compared to a bike though. I forgot to signal.

3) Next street was 30 MPH but had 3 stop signs. Dealer had me speed a little so I could get out of 1st gear. I got it up to 35.. From each stop I goosed it a little more and more to feel the power from take off. Also I watched the RPM on when to shift (above 4000! I know :) ). From reading I always wondered if 4000 would sound like it is screaming or something. Honestly piece of cake. I cant see why anyone would baby it more than that.

4) The next section was through a curvy residential area. But the curves are a little sharp. I know most of you would laugh and say "those arent curves!" But it was the first time taking a corner at speed. First corner I freaked! So did my wife. The feeling is ODD has hell! Nothing like a motorcycle! I also did everything wrong! When I went into the corner and felt the feeling of tipping over (or falling off) or whatever you want to call it, I hit the breaks to try and slow down a little... Bad move as that made the feeling worse! Both my wife and I were like... what the hell? I also did not lean into the turn as I have read here on how to ride it. That's when my wife got nervous for the rest of the ride.
However, there were about 4 more left and right curves in this stretch. My reading and sticking it in my head of how to ride this thing then kicked in... I have to say the information on this site for those that will do the research is INVALUABLE if you commit it to memory and study up! I told my wife to also lean like I do and use the hand rails. Next curve was better and I leaned in on the curve. Took at apex in and out better and stayed off the breaks. Next curve was even better and so on. My wife was still very nervous though after that first failed curve.
My only wish was if there could have been more curves to learn on in the test drive! I believe I still have a lot of learning/tuning to do to best get the feel for curves at speed.

5) Next was a right turn at a light. For safety the dealer waited for the light to turn green. There was also a cop car across the intersection which worried me a little as we were speeding a bit through the residential area. Nothing happened though. The stretch on this road was 35 mph with 2 lights which we hit both of them on a red. I tried downshifting manually... I obviously did it as the wrong speed or something because the first downshift was a good jerk. Wife freaked out a little again asking what I was doing wrong :). Up to the next light was a longer stretch and dealer had me get it up to 40. Got it into 3rd and this time let it downshift coming up to the next light. I thought it was weird myself. When I went to stop at the light, it kind of waited and it downshifted 2 gears almost one right after the other. Not sure what to make of that.

6) Next right was onto Whittier blvd which speed limit is 40. Now I have to say another lessons learned that I did not do but read about. Since the start I had the so called "death grip" on the handle bars! My hands were feeling it and at the turn I realized I was doing the other thing everyone said to learn to not do! So I made the turn and quickly got it up to 40 following the dealer. I think he really was trying to push so I could feel the bike better. I released my death grip and once at 40, man did the thing feel real good! We were in the right lane and there was a slower car. He signaled and went around jumping up the speed and then waited next to the car to see if I would follow. I went for it... speed it up to 45, he went faster to pass and so did I.. We go almost up to 50. When I went to go around the car I then realized I had NOT adjusted the mirrors. Had to turn the head around to make sure I was safely past the car. Little father and we turned back into the dealer.
He had gotten there ahead of me and when I pulled into the parking lot he was already backed in and parked. He said just leave it there. I ignored him and I wanted to see what reverse was like and how to back into a slot. Loved it! Glad they put reverse on these things.

Anyway test drive was over and I almost asked if we could go around again but other were in line waiting so no go on that.
Thoughts in the end?
A) I got lots to learn about riding these.
B) Straights at speed is just wonderful! Smooth ride and once you release the death grip, a pleasure to control.
C) First curves at some speed scare the hell out of you! Be ready for it your first time and STUDY how to ride one of these. Commit it to memory! Otherwise I think learning on one would be harder and possibly even cause you to not want one! Seriously the first sensation is just weird and unexpected!

Finally, I still am very nervous about riding one 110 miles home on highways without more experience. But I take it as a opportunity to learn too. We will be leaving Palm Springs at least by 10:00 AM to avoid Friday afternoon traffic. I have made a plan B just in case. When I get it on the highway at 55 and if I find I am not comfortable, we are going to stop and rent a U-Haul flatbed trailer. My SUV will have no problem pulling it and my buddy that is coming with me has tied downs. I have read the manual about how to tie it down. But I really do want to try and ride it home but safety and risk are #1 for me so there is plan B.

Anyway, my friend was with us and took this picture right after we got back from the ride. Wife doesn't look nervous ;)


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Bob
I have found that what works best for me is if turning to the right push on the bars with the left hand. Seems to be a lot smoother than pulling on the right hand. Give it time all good things take time.
 
Yes I wish I had looked at the front shock setting but the excitement shut down my brain a little once I got off it. The current owner of the trike I am buying has them set to 5 and said this is where he liked it. You suggest I drop them to 4?

I will also check the pressure. Thanks for the tip!

Bob

Leave them at 5, unless you find them too rough. 5 should be good for the ride home.


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Suggestion.

A route home you may want to consider.

I 10 to the 60 freeway / 60 to I 215 - and south towards San Diego / to Cajalco Rd West / to the I 15 north / then onto the 91.

Why? The interchange in Riverside can be very freaky because it is so congested. Not a place for a new rider to be.

Again. Just a suggestion.

Yes this in fact is the similar route I was thinking except using the Cajalco Rd. Not only is the 91 interchange a worry but also the 91 in general before the 15 can be bumpy and full of pot holes.

I will look up this route thanks!

Bob
 
FYI, I was also thinking about the 74 all the way to the 15. Give me some more cornering experience?
Also on a weekday traffic on that road should be a lot less.

Thoughts on that?

Also since this thing only has 450 miles on it I intend to do quite a bit of stopping for cool down periods as part of break in.


Bob
 
Oh one more thing to add that I remembered from my test ride.
The foot on the break peddle issue. I can see why this is an issue actually. I had remembered about riding the break and causing it to go into limp mode. And let me say, maybe because I am 6' 4" with a big foot, it is easy to ride the break if you try to leave your foot on the peddle. Seems like the peddle is to high in relation to the peg. So you do either have to tilt your foot so your not on the peddle (toes are now out in the blast furnace which I did feel!) or slide your foot back so the ball of your feet in on the peg.

Personally it seems a mod here to drop the peddle a little might help.

By the way, I was not expecting so much break peddle movement to be honest but got use to it no problem.

Bob
 
Finally, I still am very nervous about riding one 110 miles home on highways without more experience. But I take it as a opportunity to learn too.


I can only speak to riding it with no experience. Other than riding my friends Spyder for about 15 minutes, I had never been on one. I took my trailer to the dealership (140 miles) fully expecting to trailer it home. It was raining, too. After I took delivery, I just knew I had to ride it home! I'll learn as I go... and off I went. Good thing my GF was with me to drive my car and trailer home.

You'll be fine.
 
Oh one more thing to add that I remembered from my test ride.
The foot on the break peddle issue. I can see why this is an issue actually. I had remembered about riding the break and causing it to go into limp mode. And let me say, maybe because I am 6' 4" with a big foot, it is easy to ride the break if you try to leave your foot on the peddle. Seems like the peddle is to high in relation to the peg. So you do either have to tilt your foot so your not on the peddle (toes are now out in the blast furnace which I did feel!) or slide your foot back so the ball of your feet in on the peg.

Personally it seems a mod here to drop the peddle a little might help.

By the way, I was not expecting so much break peddle movement to be honest but got use to it no problem.

Bob

6-4 size 14.

Ride with the ball of your foot on the peg. Or, heal hanging with your foot just to the right of the brake pedal. You'll get used to the brake pedal height in time. Just requires you to lift your foot for use. In fact, in time you may wish, as I do. That the brake pedal had more room under it, to allow you to get your right foot closer to the bike and away from the dragon.
 
:clap: You did a GREAT job with the review of your first test ride!
And judging by your Better half's smile; you're already hooked, and don't know it yet! :shocked:
Learning how to lean into the turns takes time in the saddle and miles under your belt...
A slow and easy pace as you gain confidence and experience is usually wise. ;)
:congrats:
 
route

FYI, I was also thinking about the 74 all the way to the 15. Give me some more cornering experience?
Also on a weekday traffic on that road should be a lot less.

Thoughts on that?

Also since this thing only has 450 miles on it I intend to do quite a bit of stopping for cool down periods as part of break in.


Bob

You could pick up the 79 in Beaumont and run it down to the Ramona Express Way which intersects with Cajalco Rd.

By the time you get to Beaumont you'll be a little more comfortable.

As you climb out of the desert to White Water/Banning you'll likely have a head or slight cross wind with some heavy gusts. It'll shake you around a bit so don't tighten up. Same holds true for truck traffic. They’ll tend to buffet you a bit. Not a biggie, you'll get used to it.
 
You could pick up the 79 in Beaumont and run it down to the Ramona Express Way which intersects with Cajalco Rd.

By the time you get to Beaumont you'll be a little more comfortable.

As you climb out of the desert to White Water/Banning you'll likely have a head or slight cross wind with some heavy gusts. It'll shake you around a bit so don't tighten up. Same holds true for truck traffic. They’ll tend to buffet you a bit. Not a biggie, you'll get used to it.

That looks like a nice way to go! I just followed all that on google earth. I think I will take that route :)

THANKS!

Bob
 
Dang Jerbear, you really know the area well!

Too bad you cant take the day off and escort me :)
Would be fun to follow another spyder rider to see what can be done.

Bob
 
Congratulations! Excellent Description

Just like you, I read as much as I could on this forum about my 2012 RT. My dealer had given me the manual to read as I my schedule did not allow me to pick her up for a week. THAT really helped alot.

Since my short stint on 2 wheels was a "disaster" and I love snowmobiling, I felt right at home. When I took my test drive, I had requested NO CURVES. That lasted all of 3 minutes. Made the first right turn and bam, right into a 10 mile an hour curve. I said Oh Crap, then just leaned with the curve and went through it. Now that I look back I think Les was watching and testing me. We pulled over and he came back and asked if I was okay and wanted to continue. I smiled and said my best Minnesota "You Betcha!." During that test drive I learned to not put a death grip in the steering and only had a little problem on the freeway at first.

My ride was 90 miles, but solo, hubby was behind me in the car. I took my time, pulled over once to get my heart beating regularly again:) from the excitement and hit the freeway. I will say when the first semi passed me, I did curse a bit and also learned another lesson...put in earplugs next time on the freeway.

Again, congratulations. :yes:
 
Finless

What I think you need to do before you leave for the trip home, is take that thing to the nearest mall or office area parking lot and ride the thing in circles, s curves, fast as you feel comfortable with and do some 360 degree turns and in a short time you'll feel 500% more comfortable. Back it up into parking spots and practice coming out of the spot with pretty sharp right and left turns. Do several quick stops to become familiar with the braking. I'll bet in 30 minutes you'll be ready to do your trip home with lots more confidence. I did this with the new red RTSM5 demo the dealer had and only highway riding was 200 yards to the deserted office park on a Sat afternoon. I was never over confident, but it sure made me feel better and removed the thought of a Komakasi Spyder rider blasting up GA I 75. By the way that's the bike I bought with 7 miles, mostly by an old fart with a big smile on his face.

Good luck and we're all waiting to hear about the big trip home and what a piece of cake it was. And the gent who said to leave the shocks at 5 is right. They will have to be there to give you a good ride. Then you can start thinking about BajaRon's sway bar and Elkas and all that stuff.

:cheers:Tuckmiddle
 
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