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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
P0171 = System too lean Bank 1
P0174 = System too lean Bank 2
There are a variety of possibilities...bad gas, water in the fuel, plugged fuel filter, faulty fuel pump, etc. Did it follow shortly after fueling up at a strange station? Is it running poorly? Is it overheating?
P0174 = System too lean Bank 2
There are a variety of possibilities...bad gas, water in the fuel, plugged fuel filter, faulty fuel pump, etc. Did it follow shortly after fueling up at a strange station? Is it running poorly? Is it overheating?
Scotty
there are 3 Spyders all filled up at the same station. Engine is not running hot or is not missing. When the codes first came up a strong smell of gas, but nothing else.
Should we try some fuel injector cleaner as a first step. BRP dealer is some distance away. Need to understand if we should chance going home
there are 3 Spyders all filled up at the same station. Engine is not running hot or is not missing. When the codes first came up a strong smell of gas, but nothing else.
Should we try some fuel injector cleaner as a first step. BRP dealer is some distance away. Need to understand if we should chance going home
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
The strong smell of gas would worry me. I'd remove the right side body panels and inspect the fuel lines and fuel filter to be sure nothing is leaking. If that is OK (while running), you can try to limp home as long as it will go and it is not in limp mode. Please understand that there is a risk to the engine if you do. A lean mixture can cause piston or ring damage, or even damage the cylinder head. If the other Spyders had no problems, the fuel is likely alright. I'd avoid the fuel injection cleaner. If it isn't used in short order, it could do some damage. Marine Stabil or Seafoam are safer. The safest thing to do is to have the Spyder towed.
Scotty
the machine sat overnight and it was started and immediately the check engine light and 171 and 174 codes are showing. Shouldn't the machine need some time to know it is running lean. Is it possible it is a sensor fault like o2 or Maf?
the machine sat overnight and it was started and immediately the check engine light and 171 and 174 codes are showing. Shouldn't the machine need some time to know it is running lean. Is it possible it is a sensor fault like o2 or Maf?
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
You shouldn't have the codes or the light after a restart unless the problem was still active. Could be a sensor problem, but wouldn't be my first guess without a sensor code. Not likely O2 sensors, since both would have to fail to make both sides lean (on an RT). Could be a vacuum leak, from broken lines or a failed purge valve, but they usually leave a different code. There are other possibilities, too. Could even be something mechanical. You need a dealer to go through it with BUDS to try to find the culprit. All the speculation in the world is no help at this point. It is not a common problem nor a simple, roadside fix (provided the fuel line and filter aren't leaking).
packbuckbrew
New member
Does the RT have a fuel controller, i.e. a Juice Box? My 2010 RT with JB and TB pipe gave me the p174 code on the way to Spyderfest, it never cleared until I returned (1700 miles later) and removed the JB, and I had to go to the dealer to hook up to buds to clear the code, it did not automatically clear after JB removal.
Thanks for the help. After talking with his dealer the decision was to ride home. We made it home without any issues other than the check engine lights on. Here is the strange thing. We are Canadians and this happened while we were in the US after filling up for the second time in the US. My buddy filled up one last time in Canada about 10 minutes from his home and the engine lights went out. Is it possible that the fuel is that much different? I believe the US may run more ethanol than Canadian fuels. He only used 93 octane in the US, however in Canada, 93 octane is more difficult to find and he used 91 octane Canadian fuel and the problem has disappeared. Coincidence? He will certainly have it put on BUDDS this week. There was still the strong smell of gas at one of the stops in the USA. Looked under machine and he is getting drips of gas coming out of the evap canister vent hose on the right side.
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Bob Denman
New member
Glad to hear that you're at least back home and safe... :2thumbs:
You bet it can----
YES- American Fuel with Ethanol vs. Canadian Fuel or states that do not use Ethanol make a huge difference, contrary to popular belief.
I had a Honda Civic Hybrid---while in Minnesota, USA, got gas at a Marathon Oil gas station. Car got better gas mileage and the check engine light came on when I had gotten gas at another station.
I went back to a Marathon Oil station and they told me that a lot of Minnesota Stations do NOT sell Ethanol Fuels, so I had been putting in the REAL deal for a while.
When I switched back to a different fuel that had ethanol, it tripped my check engine light. I fueled up with Ethanol (JUNK) a few more times and the check engine light reset and never had any other issues.
Talked to my dealer when I got back home, and they said the differences between Ethanol and NON-ethanol are big enough to trip the computer and sensors.
It's a real shame what we have been tripped and lured into believing. Recently even American Car manufacturers are trying to get the EPA to stop this push for E-15 Ethanol blends, and say it will ruin components in their cars.
I know boaters have complained for a long time about Ethanol.
So, good luck. I'd give you a link to a website to where you can find stations that sell REAL gas but since you are Canadian, it won't do you any good for up there.
I know this is not comparing apples to apples but I firmly believe this situation you experienced is very much like what I had as well, be it the car versus my Spyder.
Just thought I'd pass on my personal experiences.
YES- American Fuel with Ethanol vs. Canadian Fuel or states that do not use Ethanol make a huge difference, contrary to popular belief.
I had a Honda Civic Hybrid---while in Minnesota, USA, got gas at a Marathon Oil gas station. Car got better gas mileage and the check engine light came on when I had gotten gas at another station.
I went back to a Marathon Oil station and they told me that a lot of Minnesota Stations do NOT sell Ethanol Fuels, so I had been putting in the REAL deal for a while.
When I switched back to a different fuel that had ethanol, it tripped my check engine light. I fueled up with Ethanol (JUNK) a few more times and the check engine light reset and never had any other issues.
Talked to my dealer when I got back home, and they said the differences between Ethanol and NON-ethanol are big enough to trip the computer and sensors.
It's a real shame what we have been tripped and lured into believing. Recently even American Car manufacturers are trying to get the EPA to stop this push for E-15 Ethanol blends, and say it will ruin components in their cars.
I know boaters have complained for a long time about Ethanol.
So, good luck. I'd give you a link to a website to where you can find stations that sell REAL gas but since you are Canadian, it won't do you any good for up there.
I know this is not comparing apples to apples but I firmly believe this situation you experienced is very much like what I had as well, be it the car versus my Spyder.
Just thought I'd pass on my personal experiences.
For those that might have been following this post the dealer determined it was a faulty purge valve on the evap canister. Thus the reason for the heavy gas smell and the drips of fuel out the evap vent hose on the right side. I dont imagine the ethanol fuel helped much either.
murphybrown
New member
I hate ETHANOL
That is why I have two apps on my phone to try and find pure gas. It has been so nice in Florida non ethanol fuel is everywhere. Even found some 110 octane , but I stayed away from that only doc would burn that!!!!
That is why I have two apps on my phone to try and find pure gas. It has been so nice in Florida non ethanol fuel is everywhere. Even found some 110 octane , but I stayed away from that only doc would burn that!!!!
Pandy
Member
Identical situation
First time this happened, it was the front cylinder lean condition. Turned out to be a defective hose for the purge valve. Second time, it was the same 2 codes you have, and it turned out to be the throttle body. TB replaced, no more codes, no more limp mode, and by golly I think my gas mileage improved. YMMV.
Patrick
First time this happened, it was the front cylinder lean condition. Turned out to be a defective hose for the purge valve. Second time, it was the same 2 codes you have, and it turned out to be the throttle body. TB replaced, no more codes, no more limp mode, and by golly I think my gas mileage improved. YMMV.
Patrick
spydercoach
New member
web address
could you post the web address so i can see if any stations sell good gas here in Oregon. Thanks
could you post the web address so i can see if any stations sell good gas here in Oregon. Thanks
murphybrown
New member
Apps for smartphones
just traveled thru Florida and ethanol free is everywhere...not so much in NW..that is when I add additive to hopefully offset the damage it does. Get rid of ethanol and my mileage improves...:thumbup:
i hate, hate ethanol..I use two free apps for smartphone: PURE GAS and ETHANOL FREE
just traveled thru Florida and ethanol free is everywhere...not so much in NW..that is when I add additive to hopefully offset the damage it does. Get rid of ethanol and my mileage improves...:thumbup:
