Gas smell is back

[cjackg]

After riding on several warm days (today it was 87 degrees), I can say that wrapping the pipes definitely worked for me. I haven't had any gas odors since I wrapped them. Maybe that will change when the temps rise a bit more, but for now I am pretty happy with the results.

How about showing us the label for the pipe wrap product you used ...
and any tips on putting it on....

 

[El Dorado Bob]

Gas Smell

I thought the new gas cap had solved my fuel odor issue. I only experienced the odor once or twice after installing the new gas cap and then it just stopped. I even did a 300 mile ride last weekend and had no gas smell. It has been odor free for well over a month. But today the temperature was up to 85 degrees and when I got home from work and parked in the garage, the odor was overwhelming. I think the warmer temperature caused more expansion in the tank so the problem is still there. I guess the only real fix is the canisterectomy. I really hate to do that and have a warranty issue later on. Sure wish BRP would give the dealers a fix for this.

Once that canister is contaminated you have a skunk in the yard, does not matter if you over filled or there was a pinched line. Your dealer can evaluate and contact BRP for a recommendation or approval to replace. Just know when temps from the engine and outside temps go up you will have this smell come back, it does not go away with time. Just my opinion from here on the left coast.

 

[NancysToy]

Once that canister is contaminated you have a skunk in the yard, does not matter if you over filled or there was a pinched line. Your dealer can evaluate and contact BRP for a recommendation or approval to replace. Just know when temps from the engine and outside temps go up you will have this smell come back, it does not go away with time. Just my opinion from here on the left coast.

:agree: The liquid in the emissions canister will eventually evaporate, but it can take months. Meanwhile, the canister is ruined for emissions purposes, once the activated charcoal is spent. In the future, because of its inability to even absorb the normal vapors, the gas smell will be more common.

 

[SllimG]

How about showing us the label for the pipe wrap product you used ...
and any tips on putting it on....

This is what I used. You have to spray it with a silicon sealer after you wrap the pipes. I removed the pipes to do this. It was quite a job because I had to remove the frame bracket (the one that bolts to the oil res. and fuel tank) to get the left pipe out. Other than removing that part of the frame, everything else was fairly easy.

 

[spydergramp]

gas smell

I have had an on going strong gas smell on my 2010 RT-S , my dealer replaced the canister,and
new gas cap, when the temp is above 80 degrees and ride 30 miles with some stop and
go with 3/4 tank of fuel , I stop and shut the engine off ,if I smell fumes I look in the gas tank
and will see gas bubbling or boiling. to me it is a saftey issue, poor insulation that shouldn't
be the owners responsibilty to repair.:yikes: COULD BE A FIRE HAZARD,AND FUMES ARE
AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE . Maybe BRP could come up with some kind of a heat shield!
Just my 2 cents
Tom

 

[cjackg]

I have had an on going strong gas smell on my 2010 RT-S , my dealer replaced the canister,and
new gas cap, when the temp is above 80 degrees and ride 30 miles with some stop and
go with 3/4 tank of fuel , I stop and shut the engine off ,if I smell fumes I look in the gas tank
and will see gas bubbling or boiling. to me it is a saftey issue, poor insulation that shouldn't
be the owners responsibilty to repair.:yikes: COULD BE A FIRE HAZARD,AND FUMES ARE
AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE . Maybe BRP could come up with some kind of a heat shield!
Just my 2 cents
Tom

I believe you are right on top of the heart of the issue...!

Even with all the discussion and various supposed remedies such as Canisterectomies I believe the only way this can be fully cured is to control the heat near the tank to reduce fuel boiling. I am sure BRP is not interested in insulating all the Spyders that have this problem but maybe if enough owners bear down on them they will get serious about a fix.

 

[2 Cruysyn]

...if I smell fumes I look in the gas tank and will see gas bubbling or boiling...

Glad someone finally said it. That's been my experience full tank or nearly empty. Pop the cap and listen. You'll hear it boiling! There's more than a few threads on SL discussing this problem.

Ceramic coated my exhaust. Helped some but...

 

[spydergramp]

gas boiling

Glad someone finally said it. That's been my experience full tank or nearly empty. Pop the cap and listen. You'll hear it boiling! There's more than a few threads on SL discussing this problem.

Ceramic coated my exhaust. Helped some but...

I just called BRP 1-715-848-4957 and was told that it was normal and wasn't a problem for the
RT to boil the gas. I say BS
Tom

 

[NancysToy]

I'm not saying it is right, but most motorcycles I have owned will boil the gas in the tank under some conditions...including the Spyder. If you feel strongly about the issue, report it to the NHTSA.

 

[boborgera]

The boiling temperature of gas depending on the time of year and additives in the gas is between, Among a few other things,;
100 to 400 degrees. I don't think that's the problem.[gas smell] It's the charcoal canister that because of lack of room it's too low and too close to hot components.!!

 

[jmcbow]

:agree: The liquid in the emissions canister will eventually evaporate, but it can take months. Meanwhile, the canister is ruined for emissions purposes, once the activated charcoal is spent. In the future, because of its inability to even absorb the normal vapors, the gas smell will be more common.

Very interesting, came home yesterday from work, had filled up at lunch time, and noticed a strong fuel odor in the garage. 3 years with the RT and I've never experienced that before. Makes me wonder if you're right, over time the cannister has become contaminated. Will see what happens tonight when I get home. Should note that it wasn't that warm here yesterday, about 72.

 

[Marker]

you are over filling the tank wait till the pump click off and that should do it never fill to the neck

:agree: I only fill to the neck just before I go on a long ride and never let the spyder sit after filling to the neck. I never fill the spyder to the neck when it will be sitting. JMHO

 

[Bob Ledford]

Additional information on gas smell

Sometime ago I was engaged in a conversation between my wife,myself and our dealer when the Service Manager walked up. The owner quickly drug him into the conversation on gas fume odors. Apparently it is not just Can-Am but Honda is having A similar problem with the 1800 GW and its fuel injection system producing fumes after shutdown .

So we are not alone, Guys an Gals!

 

[wis2013rtltd]

SInce its becoming a little warmer in SE Wis. I have

noticed this as well on my 13'. DO NOT overfill, use premium, and the odor has been strong and potent to the point I am a little concerned about having it in my garage.... I am going to see what the dealer says, I have had several drips on the pass. side towards the middle, and it is fuel. I would not think I should have to leave my garage door open, or leave it sit outside after I ride.

 

[Bob Ledford]

Gas fumes an overfilling

you are over filling the tank wait till the pump click off and that should do it never fill to the neck

I hear what your saying but it is not totally a true statement. I have one of the more smelly systems around this area. Numerous times my dealership have been under the wrapper to come up empty handed. I even filled the tank the same way I always do, stick the nozzle in the hole as far as it will go pull the fill lever and snatch it out when it trips the first time.

I have experimented by stuffing the nozzle half way in and filling to the automatic cutoff no difference.

The last experiment to produce a result was insert the nozzle just past the guide hole and fill it to where liquid splashed out the vent holes to the right an left of the fill hole and pull it out at auto cutoff point. That time it failed to produce a smell until the fuel gauge got below the first mark under "F".

So who is right and who is wrong?

I am convinced it is a by product of heat produced by the engine and trapped under the wrapper called body panels. But no one wants to hear it! But, if I bring it in the garage and turn on the big box fan for ten minutes I get NO GAS FUMES!

Why? The heat build up is GONE WITH THE WIND from the fan..................

I rest my case. Let the engineers take it and run with it. :duh: :banghead:

 

[SllimG]

89 degrees today and rode over 100 miles. No fumes whatsoever. I am convinced wrapping the pipes has worked for me.

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[spydergramp]

gas smell

My 2cents again ,My 2010 has STRONG gas smell ,raw gas dripping from vent hose.
My dealer replaced the fuel canister and brp's gas cap at around 8000 miles , haven't
filled the tank over 3/4 full sense but still have strong smell.
Next time you get the strong gas smell look in the tank to see if it is boiling.Mine is
boiling.
What I think is happening on hot days, is the fuel is boiling causing more fumes then
the fuel canister can handle and vents to atmosphere.
I made a heat shield and put it between the exaust pipes and fuel tank to deflect the heat
away from the tank. After a ride 83degrees and 95 miles gas wasn't boiling and no fumes.
Something BRP should look into
And thats my 2 cents !

 

[cabodan]

Get the dealer to check your purge valve as I just had mine changed today on my 2012 rt se5 ltd with only 4000km.
I was smelling gas and had drips underneath and then engine light came on.

 

[cjackg]

My 2cents again ,My 2010 has STRONG gas smell ,raw gas dripping from vent hose.
My dealer replaced the fuel canister and brp's gas cap at around 8000 miles , haven't
filled the tank over 3/4 full sense but still have strong smell.
Next time you get the strong gas smell look in the tank to see if it is boiling.Mine is
boiling.
What I think is happening on hot days, is the fuel is boiling causing more fumes then
the fuel canister can handle and vents to atmosphere.
I made a heat shield and put it between the exaust pipes and fuel tank to deflect the heat
away from the tank. After a ride 83degrees and 95 miles gas wasn't boiling and no fumes.
Something BRP should look into And thats my 2 cents !

Can you tell us more about that Heat Shield.... what is it made of and how is it mounted or attached between the tank and pipe?

 

[TexasSpyder]

Picture?

J. D.