Lamonster
SpyderLovers Founder
Don't take it from me, take it from folks that have ridden with me. :doorag:
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The new 2013 Spyder RT ST and RS
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Don't take it from me, take it from folks that have ridden with me. :doorag:
Yazz
MOgang Member
Lamont, haven't ridden with you, but I know what you're saying is true. Followed behind a different RT towing a trailer, and he was slapping that RT through those curves, and was a bat out of h*ll on the straight-a-ways.
Was a hoot keeping up with him. And yes, most of of the ride was over 5,000 rpm. Thats when the fun starts!
It's not about how fast the machine can go, it's about the skill of the rider. :doorag:
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SPYDERPOPS
SpyderLovers Sponsor
I have to say that you will have be on your toes just to keep up. What amazes me is he pulls a trailer and probably overloaded still pulls away from me at the lights.
I keep thinking he is trying to race. It he's not, just moving out.
It must be the low end torque as I have to reall get with the program to catch up if I snooze.
MidLifeCrisis
New member
Torque makes a huge difference when launching out of the hole. The only downside to the Spyder engine is needing to rev it to get out of said hole. My biggest gripe loaded down is it's tough to get started in traffic, especially when the car in front has all day to get to speed. You just tend to sit and ride the clutch with the RPMs high till you finally get enough speed. Not as much of an issue with the SE5. I think most will agree power at lower RPMs would be nice, when getting rolling. I think the new RS owners will end up pleasantly surprised with the trade off. The extra torque will make it a real rocket, even if you lose 1k RPMs at the top end. I personally feel the current RS will be dropped with the introduction of the new ST. There just isn't enough difference between the two, unless the RS is redesigned as a lighter, faster rocket.
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Bob Denman
New member
:lecturef_smilie: I wouldn't go there...
Trying to judge Lamont's riding skils based on what you think "Most people..." think is kind of foolish! :shocked:
It's never the ride... it's the rider!
pickelhead
New member
Lamont is the SPYDER MASTER, the SPYDER GURU, the GRAND PUBA of the SPYDER COMMUNITY! He has magical mystical powers over the SPYDER! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
IWN2RYD
New member
Please pardon the interruption...
I am trying to better understand exactly what the ST seat angle is. I read in this thread it sits more like and RT, OK fine. What does that mean? They cut the tail/suspension movement and lowered the entire seat? Extended the chassis allowing for lowering the seat? Raised the front of the seat/handle bar area to create a flatter position? What?
And what about the Handle bar on the ST. Will it be the same adjust-ability as the new RT is or is that an RT only option?
Please forgive me if I missed this information. I skimmed through the posts looking for those offering info over opinions... Not that I do not have any of my own or enjoy reading them of course, just not my objective at the moment is all :yes:
Thank you in advance for your assistance...
P.S. I want the performance of an RS and missed the comfort of the RT-S. And why we are even considering learning more about the ST. We plan to ryde again in 2013...
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I am trying to better understand exactly what the ST seat angle is. I read in this thread it sits more like and RT, OK fine. What does that mean? They cut the tail/suspension movement and lowered the entire seat? Extended the chassis allowing for lowering the seat? Raised the front of the seat/handle bar area to create a flatter position? What?
And what about the Handle bar on the ST. Will it be the same adjust-ability as the new RT is or is that an RT only option?
Please forgive me if I missed this information. I skimmed through the posts looking for those offering info over opinions... Not that I do not have any of my own or enjoy reading them of course, just not my objective at the moment is all :yes:
Thank you in advance for your assistance...
P.S. I want the performance of an RS and missed the comfort of the RT-S. And why we are even considering learning more about the ST. We plan to ryde again in 2013...
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
The RT seat is not lower than the RS, it is higher. It sits farther between the pegs and the seat, and because the handlebars are higher but farther back, they are higher from the seat, too, so you don't seem to reach. That may be why you get the impression that the seat is lower. The biggest difference is that the footpegs are farther forward on the RT, making the legs bend less. The ST appears to have many of these same attributes. The seat appears to be thicker, raising it slightly. The pegs are forward and lower, and the console and handlebars are higher. These all add up to a more relaxed seating position, similar to the RT.I am trying to better understand exactly what the ST seat angle is. I read in this thread it sits more like and RT, OK fine. What does that mean? They cut the tail/suspension movement and lowered the entire seat? Extended the chassis allowing for lowering the seat? Raised the front of the seat/handle bar area to create a flatter position? What?
And what about the Handle bar on the ST. Will it be the same adjust-ability as the new RT is or is that an RT only option?
Please forgive me if I missed this information. I skimmed through the posts looking for those offering info over opinions... Not that I do not have any of my own or enjoy reading them of course, just not my objective at the moment is all :yes:
Thank you in advance for your assistance...
P.S. I want the performance of an RS and missed the comfort of the RT-S. And why we are even considering learning more about the ST. We plan to ryde again in 2013...
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IWN2RYD
New member
^^^ Ok... Now that makes perfect sense thank you Proff :bowdown:
I think we will stick with the RT-S... I did at first become really intrigued with the ST and why all the questions came up... That said, all these improvements on the Chassis and Brakes and geometry of the suspension looks to possibly eliminate and or reduce the few things we did not care for...
I think we will stick with the RT-S... I did at first become really intrigued with the ST and why all the questions came up... That said, all these improvements on the Chassis and Brakes and geometry of the suspension looks to possibly eliminate and or reduce the few things we did not care for...
SpyderGirl
New member
Since I have all the money, time, and effort invested in my 2008 GS, I don't envision I will ever own a ST. My biggest reason for not wanting the ST, putting all that stuff aside, is that I don't like the GIVI saddlebags. Never have. When the RT came out my first complaint was the way the saddlebags open. And since I can't put my Corbin saddlebags on a ST because of the change in the footpeg supports (I'm assuming of course), I doubt I'll ever even consider the ST. I am, however, looking forward to seeing it in person and taking it for a test ride. I am curious about the suspension upgrades made.
When I first saw the pictures of the ST, I wasn't impressed.... it's growing on me.
When I first saw the pictures of the ST, I wasn't impressed.... it's growing on me.
Bob Denman
New member
The ST just kind of bridges the gap between the RT and the RS/GS bikes.
If it's what you need; :2thumbs:
If not; there are other models that might work better. :thumbup:
I wonder how long it'll take the aftermarket to produce saddlebags for the ST? :dontknow:
If it's what you need; :2thumbs:
If not; there are other models that might work better. :thumbup:
I wonder how long it'll take the aftermarket to produce saddlebags for the ST? :dontknow:
bloke
New member
Well I just spent the last three days riding the 2013 model variants and all I can say is forget he cosmetic changes and the new model and go ride one when you get the chance, its a different beast all together!!! between the wider chassis and shorter a arms you are just more in control with less nervousness and less bump steer than ever before!
it was great to talk to all the engineers from BRP about the new stuff (the guy who designed the adjustable handle bars was great to talk to) and learn about things coming in the future, I was fortunate enough in the early days (2002-05) to see the very first spyder being tested in FL and seeing where its come from there is amazing!
first chance you get to ride a second generation spyder do i think you will be very surprised how much things have changed despite them looking so much the same, and the new ST is exactly what we need for the showroom floors right now since (believe it or not) there's a fairly large between the RS and RT models!
I also got to collect our district dealer of the year award while i was there and ride the new maverick UTV and all the other toys they made available, things I missed out on where driving our very own 2013 model back to Atlanta since i didn't take my gear with me and the gear there didn't fit, bloody shame not to take a 700 plus mile ride on the new model home!
two years in a row :thumbup:
the bar info
these are going to work great for bigger people
the new ST floor boards were really comfortable
as were the new bars and windshield (SM5 comes with 1st gen style pegs)
favorite colour
floor boards on the RT (yes they are available as an accessory)
2013 RT LTD white with brown seat
and i just painted our 2012 demo yellow :sour:
the hotel
the maverick
the view from our room :sour:
it was great to talk to all the engineers from BRP about the new stuff (the guy who designed the adjustable handle bars was great to talk to) and learn about things coming in the future, I was fortunate enough in the early days (2002-05) to see the very first spyder being tested in FL and seeing where its come from there is amazing!
first chance you get to ride a second generation spyder do i think you will be very surprised how much things have changed despite them looking so much the same, and the new ST is exactly what we need for the showroom floors right now since (believe it or not) there's a fairly large between the RS and RT models!
I also got to collect our district dealer of the year award while i was there and ride the new maverick UTV and all the other toys they made available, things I missed out on where driving our very own 2013 model back to Atlanta since i didn't take my gear with me and the gear there didn't fit, bloody shame not to take a 700 plus mile ride on the new model home!
two years in a row :thumbup:
the bar info
these are going to work great for bigger people
the new ST floor boards were really comfortable
as were the new bars and windshield (SM5 comes with 1st gen style pegs)
favorite colour
floor boards on the RT (yes they are available as an accessory)
2013 RT LTD white with brown seat
and i just painted our 2012 demo yellow :sour:
the hotel
the maverick
the view from our room :sour:
GeoffCee
New member
docdoru
Doru the Destroyer-Spyder Photo Investigator
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daveinva
New member
the new ST floor boards were really comfortable
Great photos... one question: is it just an optical illusion, or can the passenger floorboards adujust close to the same plane as the rider floorboards?
Because if they do, that'd be a neat little bonus to be able to stretch back your legs a bit if necessary. :thumbup:
harrypottar
magical member
Where then any mods to the trailer? Bigger wheels, matching spoke count, bigger engine :roflblack:
harry
harry
Bob Denman
New member
I recall some conversation in here regarding the fact that the 622 was originally being mocked-up with 15" wheels...
GeoffCee
New member
Likewise, Lamont. I think the RT's better braking performance over a bike is down to there being two ABS wheels up front supplying twice the braking effort. A bike may have 2 rotors on the wheel but it only has one front tire.
I know that the fully loaded weight of my RT is more, for instance, than I ever carried on my BMW R150RT, (which I have a lot of experience of), but I feel safer on the road riding the Spyder because of its outstanding stopping power and stability. :thumbup:
It's worth remembering that the correct way to apply the brakes in an emergency with an ABS-equipped vehicle is to stamp hard on the brake pedal and let the ABS bring you to a controlled stop. :yikes:
daveinva
New member
Oh, and regarding the adjustable handlebars... I dunno.
They look (and sound) very neat. BUT, how often does one need to adjust the handlebars? I needed something better than the stock RS handlebar position so I got risers. I installed them, I rode with a couple different settings, and once I had them dialed in, that was that, I haven't touched them since.
Difference is, I paid $150 for my risers (which still wouldn't work on an RT), whereas the adjustable handlebars are $650 or more!! :yikes:
Anyway, I spent some time "building" Spyders on the BRP site and all I can say is the price inflation for Spyder accessories is ridiculous. I make good money, I save good money, I love riding and love getting value for my dollar but when I can price out an RT with a *modest* amount of accessories for over $35,000 (before I add the $5K trailer!)... that's insane.
They look (and sound) very neat. BUT, how often does one need to adjust the handlebars? I needed something better than the stock RS handlebar position so I got risers. I installed them, I rode with a couple different settings, and once I had them dialed in, that was that, I haven't touched them since.
Difference is, I paid $150 for my risers (which still wouldn't work on an RT), whereas the adjustable handlebars are $650 or more!! :yikes:
Anyway, I spent some time "building" Spyders on the BRP site and all I can say is the price inflation for Spyder accessories is ridiculous. I make good money, I save good money, I love riding and love getting value for my dollar but when I can price out an RT with a *modest* amount of accessories for over $35,000 (before I add the $5K trailer!)... that's insane.
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