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Auto tune / install and HMF / do it yourself

Another Question.

Good Morning, Looks like all are using Auto Tune (AT-200) . ?
Since we have a twin cly. Why are we not using the (AT-300) ?
THX
gus
 
I realize it looks like a lot but it's not too bad.

After the physical install, set up the software (enable autotune etc), calibrate your throttle, Load the closest map you can get from Dynojet (don't worry, they're nearly all the same) and ride.

Every now and then apply the map.

If you want it to run better, then you have to start thinking about what you want to change and we can help with the how part.

What do you mean "every now and then apply the Map?" I thought it constantly updated the map?
 
What do you mean "every now and then apply the Map?" I thought it constantly updated the map?

When you ride, the auto tune is "logging" recommended adjustments for the map but not changing the map. The changes have to be downloaded into the map. At some point in a perfect world, the adjustments would be +1, -1, etc and are not worth the time to make changes to the map.

The autotune does not make automatic changes to the map on the fly.

This is the way I have done it to date.
 
Good Morning, Looks like all are using Auto Tune (AT-200) . ?
Since we have a twin cly. Why are we not using the (AT-300) ?
THX
gus

For me, without have a lot of techinical knowledge, why try to tune seperate cyclinders when tuning them together works very well.
 
Good Morning, Looks like all are using Auto Tune (AT-200) . ?
Since we have a twin cly. Why are we not using the (AT-300) ?
THX
gus

The variation between both cylinders is minute when it comes to stock engine and everyday riding. The only reason to really get into separate cylinders is if you're building the engine into a drag racing machine with cams, bbk, intake modifications, etc...
 
It's Easy...

To the OP, the install and tuning is VERY EASY. Don't get lost in all this typing. It's hard to even describe simple stuff with just a few words sometimes. Once you get into it, you'll notice that 100 words of typing equals to 3 seconds of what's mentally going on. Just get into it first, see how easy it is, then come back to this thread for any details that need feeling in. And once you get into it, I guarantee when you come back and read this thread, it's gonna mutate from looking like Spanish to simple ABC's.
 
First everyone should know I have a Aerocharger Turbo on this bike. The Powercommander has replaced the Aerocharger controller which really didn't do the job for an SE5. Apparently Hi Performance is now doing this in house.

I have a basic AFR map. And a Fuel map given to me. No idea if they are tweaked or tuned to my setup. No idea really how to tweak them to be honest.

Mileage is better and so is performance. No more preignition. Bike is not running crazy rich as it was with the Aerocommander controller.

If anyone has a custom map that might work for me I would love to see it.

Also much thanks to Sny. That was an amazing post brother.

One more thing. My max throttle shows at 99. Is the one mark worth taking it back to the dealer?
 
First everyone should know I have a Aerocharger Turbo on this bike. The Powercommander has replaced the Aerocharger controller which really didn't do the job for an SE5. Apparently Hi Performance is now doing this in house.
It would be nice if Aerocharger offered the kit without fuel management so you could pick your own.

I have a basic AFR map. And a Fuel map given to me. No idea if they are tweaked or tuned to my setup. No idea really how to tweak them to be honest.
I'd love to see it out of curiosity. I wouldn't even try to change anything without the bike and a dyno... even then, there are far more skilled tuners that would do a much better job. (I know one in Florida if anyone's looking...)

One more thing. My max throttle shows at 99. Is the one mark worth taking it back to the dealer?
I think you're ok. It'll never use the 100% column, which isn't a big deal unless you wanted something special at wide open throttle.
 
Might be a tuner who can handle the Spyder in Tulsa. Eventually that will be what I do.

It's exciting to me that so many of us have gone to this technology and can share our experiences.

Maybe we need a new subtopic on Spyderlovers. :clap:
 
To the OP, the install and tuning is VERY EASY. Don't get lost in all this typing. It's hard to even describe simple stuff with just a few words sometimes. Once you get into it, you'll notice that 100 words of typing equals to 3 seconds of what's mentally going on. Just get into it first, see how easy it is, then come back to this thread for any details that need feeling in. And once you get into it, I guarantee when you come back and read this thread, it's gonna mutate from looking like Spanish to simple ABC's.

Thanks for this... and thank you all. Tomorrow I start the project HMF, KN filter, pcv auto tune.... I am about to start pulling the bike apart today and wanted to ask and get clarification on one more thing and that is where the wide band and or new bung needs to be welded exactly and is this pipe (Y pipe) right underneath at the end of the stock pipe? Can I take this off or do I need to ride to a shop and have them lift it to weld the bung on?

Thanks again so much..... in all my years of riding and always being on forums for my specific bike I have never even come close to this kind of community!
 
Thanks for this... and thank you all. Tomorrow I start the project HMF, KN filter, pcv auto tune.... I am about to start pulling the bike apart today and wanted to ask and get clarification on one more thing and that is where the wide band and or new bung needs to be welded exactly and is this pipe (Y pipe) right underneath at the end of the stock pipe? Can I take this off or do I need to ride to a shop and have them lift it to weld the bung on?

Thanks again so much..... in all my years of riding and always being on forums fons r my specific bike I have never even come close to this kind of community!

You will have to take the whole y-pipe off. Actually not a big deal. The instructions say to weld at an angle so water runs off it. I welded mine like firefly suggested, On top in line with stock O2. Was harder for my welder to go next to it.
 
Thanks for this... and thank you all. Tomorrow I start the project HMF, KN filter, pcv auto tune.... I am about to start pulling the bike apart today and wanted to ask and get clarification on one more thing and that is where the wide band and or new bung needs to be welded exactly and is this pipe (Y pipe) right underneath at the end of the stock pipe? Can I take this off or do I need to ride to a shop and have them lift it to weld the bung on?

Thanks again so much..... in all my years of riding and always being on forums for my specific bike I have never even come close to this kind of community!

Find the factory O2 sensor that is installed now. It will be just before the exhaust clamp directly under the middle of the bike. I put mine on the opposite side of the OEM sensor. Just about anywhere above horizontal will work. It would definitely be difficult for a welder to install the new bung with the pipe on the bike.
 
You will have to take the whole y-pipe off. Actually not a big deal. The instructions say to weld at an angle so water runs off it. I welded mine like firefly suggested, On top in line with stock O2. Was harder for my welder to go next to it.

Yep, weld it right on top of the pipe where the stock sensor is.
 
well I have everything apart and ready to go!

pipe off Y pipe off filter out and pcv mounted now I just have to wait till morning to find someone to weld the bung on.

Looking at pictures posted in another thread I see where the bung is welded on top right next to original o2 sensor placment on the Y pipe but I notice in the picture its capped off....
warning exhaust ignorance inc:

Do you place the new o2 in the place where the original is?? does not seem to make sense to me because why weld the extra place if you wont be using that o2 sensor?? maybe its just that one picture but it did make me wonder?

According to the instructions showing the angle of the sensor and such maybe the picture he just had not placed it in yet?? or like I said above maybe my ignorance is getting the best of me
 
well I have everything apart and ready to go!

pipe off Y pipe off filter out and pcv mounted now I just have to wait till morning to find someone to weld the bung on.

Looking at pictures posted in another thread I see where the bung is welded on top right next to original o2 sensor placment on the Y pipe but I notice in the picture its capped off....
warning exhaust ignorance inc:

Do you place the new o2 in the place where the original is?? does not seem to make sense to me because why weld the extra place if you wont be using that o2 sensor?? maybe its just that one picture but it did make me wonder?

According to the instructions showing the angle of the sensor and such maybe the picture he just had not placed it in yet?? or like I said above maybe my ignorance is getting the best of me

No you do not use the old o2 sensor port, just leave all that alone. Weld your new one in and screw the new sensor you recieved in it. I may be wrong but I think the threads are not even the same?
 
When you ride, the auto tune is "logging" recommended adjustments for the map but not changing the map. The changes have to be downloaded into the map. At some point in a perfect world, the adjustments would be +1, -1, etc and are not worth the time to make changes to the map.

The autotune does not make automatic changes to the map on the fly.

This is the way I have done it to date.

I just wanted to add to this for people trying to get a grasp of this whole thing. As Texmac1011 has stated the Autotune does not make changes to the map but it is making adjustments to the AFR to match the map that is installed. That is why you should except your tabs so the map and what the autotune is doing become close to the same.
 
No you do not use the old o2 sensor port, just leave all that alone. Weld your new one in and screw the new sensor you recieved in it. I may be wrong but I think the threads are not even the same?

Yeah threads are the same. I made the mistake of ignoring the additional bung and using the existing bung for the new O2 sensor. It doesn't work........................
 
Could someone explain how to tweak the fuel table? The bike ran better with it was blank. Now that I reloaded what I was given my AFR seems to cruise at 10 again.

Do you even need values in the Fuel table with Autotune?
 
Short answer, yes you need to change the fuel table.

Good news is the autotune will do it for you, once it's set up right.

Bad news is setting it up right might take some experimentation.

Load the map from Dynojet that is closest to your setup (intake and pipe).

Look at the trim table and it should be all zeros.

Look at the auto tune Target AFR table and it'll be all 13.2's in open loop and 0's in closed (see my other long post.)

Ride your bike. In 2nd gear go from 5000ish to redline at 100% throttle, then again at 80%, 60%, 40% and 20%. You'll have to make your best guess what each is. With the engine off and the laptop plugged in you can get a feel for where each is. You're shooting for 20something, 40something, 60something, not exactly on 20, 40 etc.

This will take some space and you'll be exceeding most speed limits.

3rd is the best gear to do this in, but you'll be going quite fast at redline. If that's ok and you have a safe place to do it, go for it.

1st happens too quickly to get a good read.

After you've done this at least a couple times for each throttle position, plug in the laptop and look at the trim tables. You'll see some of them aren't zero's anymore. This means it's working! If you did it enough, almost all of them will have a number in them. Remember that everything at 20% throttle and under, and 6000rpms and below will be zero on the trim table as the autotune doesn't work there.

Take a look at your Fuel Map. Depending on which map you loaded from Dynojet it will have 5's, 8's or 10's in the closed loop area and all kinds of numbers everywhere above that.

Accept your trim values and look at how the map changes. All the trim values are added into the map.

Click Send Map and then Save Map and give it a name that means something to you, like:
"Sny's 09 Spyder hindle stock air.pvm"

Now go ride it some more. You might notice some differences, you might not. Ride it like you normally do for a while (hours.) then ride it like someone stole it. Then ride like like your kids are on the back. Then repeat the above dyno-esque runs (20%, 40%, 60% etc.)

If you feel any funny spots, repeat over those several times. It won't do anything different now, but it is learning. Take it back to the barn and load up the laptop again and look at the new trims and accept them.

After a few thousand miles of this you'll notice the trims are nearly zero every time... little +1's and -2's here and there at most. That's when you know your map is working well and the bike is running like you told it to.

NOW you can start playing with the target AFR's :shocked:

Target AFR's will let you tweak mileage and power "lumps" and other odd and undesirable behavior.

- Sny

p.s. I'm no expert, just passing on what I've learned and what's worked for me so far. There's no great resource guides out there that help get you started on this. Took quite a bit of digging, reading, watching videos, bugging people and experimentation to get this far. If I had to do it all again I think I could have it sorted in a day instead of the month's it's taken. I haven't plugged the laptop in for a 4-5 weeks now. Yay!
 
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