Engine Locked Down, BRP Want Cover Under Warranty

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

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From what I am reading hear there seems to be a lot of folks who are saying that any and all Modifications or Add-ons or Alterations to the Spyder automatically voids your Warranty...Buuuuuuuuuuuuut in looking at their personal info they have all done this and therefore voided their Warranties. What a brave bunch of people.......and Lamont better warn all the Sponsors here that the Party is over because they are all trying to VOID the Spyderlover People's Warranties........:yikes::yikes::yikes:........I certainly hope you all know the meaning of Sarcasm.....Mike

 

[Dudley]

From what I am reading hear there seems to be a lot of folks who are saying that any and all Modifications or Add-ons or Alterations to the Spyder automatically voids your Warranty...Buuuuuuuuuuuuut in looking at their personal info they have all done this and therefore voided their Warranties. What a brave bunch of people.......and Lamont better warn all the Sponsors here that the Party is over because they are all trying to VOID the Spyderlover People's Warranties........:yikes::yikes::yikes:........I certainly hope you all know the meaning of Sarcasim.....Mike

Point well taken, and I have to agree...a new seat, shocks, cup holder, back rest will not void a warranty. And I am one of the guiltiest ones when it comes to voiding a warranty. Those who read my posts know what I mean. But I know that if push comes to shove on an issue I may have to pay the Piper and roll on. From what I have read over the years about Spyder issues, too many times mods are added without ever checking for possible effects of the mods after installation. The Spyder is a VERY sophisticated machine that just the slightest change in electronics or mechanics can cause unknown miseries.
Bottom line, if you mod mechanics or electronics, be prepared to pay the Piper.

 

[boborgera]

......I certainly hope you all know the meaning of Sarcasim.....Mike

''Sarcasm'' is a body's natural defence against ''Stupid''...:thumbup:

 

[r1100rider]

I am also kind of on the ride here. The dealer and BRP should look into the repair and cover it under warranty IF it can be determined that the modifications were not the cause of the problem in the first place. The problem lies within the fact that how do they determine that?

Modifications open the door to these kinds of problems. Heck, my dealer wont even install non-BRP tires on the Spyder.

Look at this from brp s point of view they worked years to develop a safe 3 wheeler even with the lawsuit climate of the 3 wheel atvs of the past they made a fun
machine that enabled new riders and past riders that couldn't or wouldn't ride a 2 wheeled bike spending huge sums of cash to do it,So here comes these people with a chip and a lap top that think they know how to get more power by fooling the stock computer into doing things it wasn't programmed to do now there a handful of controllers several exhausts o2 modifiers RS's Rt's se's sm's sea level to 10,000 ft 20 deg to 120 deg multiply the combinations here and it adds up to dozens then dyno test and do a 100,000 mi durability test gee wonder why they don't want to stand behind a chip made in china that I'm sure a. Couple of brothers tested in the. Cold the rain heat the oil the gas the vibration of a Spyder cars,motorcycles,and computers all crash would you want to warrenty this? This guy made 3 mistakes 1 he hot rodded it 2 he should have removed the mods before he took it in3 he should have took it to the dealer he bought it from or at least one that sells a lot of spyders his didn't have any on the floor so he probably hasnt had many apart either, Last the
Magnuson law everyone is talking about is saying that if a filter or oil meets the spec's of the manufacture they. Can't deny warrenty it's not intended to cover tweaking with a laptop changing fuel mapping and such, this guy should take the money he is going to spend on lawyers and just find out what happened and or fix it
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[Farmboy]

My 2 cents worth

The technician at that dealer sold you out because "he did not want to take all that Tupperware off":roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[pellcitypete]

A class action??? Go ahead. You got a few suggestions that you should seek another dealer and work from there. You keep going back to one that can't or won't fix the problem. Seems like what you want to hear is that we will all sign on the class action with you....WRONG!

I bet that if you paid $30,000 and couldn't ride it you would be saying something else!nojoke

 

[Dudley]

I bet that if you paid $30,000 and couldn't ride it you would be saying something else!nojoke

Pete, take a chill pill, will you. You don't know what I have invested in my Spyder. I just don't keep beating a dead horse. I have had a few issues with the RT, but all the problems were fixed in time. I didn't go spewing all over SL to bash my dealer or BRP. Problems are what they are...some take longer than others to fix and the approach we have as riders has a lot to do with how the dealer or BRP approaches our solutions. I cannot say what your approach has been, but if it was anything like your ranting on SL you're on the loosing end. PERIOD!

 

[Bob Denman]

So how much tire pressure should I be running up front?
What oil is the best one to use with the lowest possible octane?
My feet hurt; can I sue BRP for that?

:gaah:

 

[SpyderFun]

So how much tire pressure should I be running up front?
ANSWER: Between the approved limits.

What oil is the best one to use with the lowest possible octane?
ANSWER 1: The approved oil.
ANSWER 2: No octane lower than what is approved.

My feet hurt; can I sue BRP for that?
ANSWER: No. Have your wife rub your feet. :roflblack:
:gaah:

Sorry Bob I couldn't resist!

 

[Bob Denman]

:2thumbs:

 

[spyder3]

I would say cut Pete some slack. Frustration has a way with making people blurt things out. BRP has a way of causing this frustration also, as we have seen too many times before. :gaah: This board has been quite crazy this week with more BS than normal. I guess while the cats away, the mice will play. nojoke

 

[Willo]

BRP won't cover under warranty

:2thumbs:

To expand on this question I would like to ask for the opinion of the group. Will the installation of the, 'Can AM Spyder RT Radiator Block off Plate' void the warranty? This modification is not directly a modification to the engine but it could have an effect on the engine. Comments Please, as I have ordered the parts to make this modification.

 

[spyder3]

To expand on this question I would like to ask for the opinion of the group. Will the installation of the, 'Can AM Spyder RT Radiator Block off Plate' void the warranty? This modification is not directly a modification to the engine but it could have an effect on the engine. Comments Please, as I have ordered the parts to make this modification.

They can make whatever claims they want and they sure will. The would also have to prove those claims directly caused the issue. :dontknow:

 

[hackett43]

To expand on this question I would like to ask for the opinion of the group. Will the installation of the, 'Can AM Spyder RT Radiator Block off Plate' void the warranty? This modification is not directly a modification to the engine but it could have an effect on the engine. Comments Please, as I have ordered the parts to make this modification.

According to my manuel it will, pretty much any mod voids it.

 

[SpyderFun]

What Defines a Modification?

To expand on this question I would like to ask for the opinion of the group. Will the installation of the, 'Can AM Spyder RT Radiator Block off Plate' void the warranty? This modification is not directly a modification to the engine but it could have an effect on the engine. Comments Please, as I have ordered the parts to make this modification.

This question can ONLY be answered by BRP because they decide how to enforce the language of their warranty of what they consider an "unapproved modification". :bowdown: But the block off plate can be easily removed BEFORE taking your ride to the dealer for service work.

I agree with you in that it is not a direct modification to the engine but does have a direct effect on it. I would further add that it is however a modification to the "engine cooling system" given a specific volume of airflow over the radiator has been designed and approved by BRP and "altering" that design cooling process is an "unauthorized modification". BUT, I would counter argue that as long as the engine temp remains within approved specs that such an alteration would fail to cause damage and thus would be an "approved modification". Just my humble opinion.

For me personally, BRP has designed a good product with inherent flaws that were unlikely known at the time of conception and production. To that end, BRP is likely aware of these flaws given comments on this, and other, website(s) along with post-production "fixes" that are for sale. It would go along way if BRP could give us owners a guideline of what would be considered a modification or alteration that would void their warranty and what would not. Their doing this is unlikely given knowledge is power and they want the power to say "Warranty Voided".

 

[SpyderFun]

.. The would also have to prove those claims directly caused the issue. :dontknow:

True but only if legally challenged and are required by the court to do so in order to defend a challenge of their warranty language. Remember BRP is the kid with the ball (your warranty) and if he doesn't want to play he will take his ball and leave you on your own to play/pay. Flipside is eventually no one will want to play with them..... its called Customer Service and you either provide good service or you don't.

 

[Bob Denman]

Let's face it; If you change something and your World falls to :cus:, you'd better make sure that everything is changed back to the same condtion that the Spyder was in before you took the keys from the smiling salesperson... ray:

 

[bcoulter19]

The funny thing is I know people where I grew up that would do that to a spyder if they thought of it.

 

[hackett43]

I want to try and clear up a few things here, First of all i am not a mechanic. I have on a lot of bikes and most of them were used and did'nt have a warranty. I have on 3 brand new bikes that i had a warranty and the other 2 had no problems. My spyder is the first bike that i ever had issues from a new bike. When i made this post i was pisted, But i was hoping that this info. would help some other member not go down the same road as i have, But i was wrong seems like everbody here already new the do's and dont's with warranty. Shame on me, I never was looking for anyone to run to my defense. I am not trying to bash BRP either, But there is room for improvement on there end. If i would have throughly read my warranty like i should have, I would never had put any accesory at all on my bike not even a pipe. Thats my fault. BRP warranty is so vague that they can void your warranty for just about anything at there discretion. IN MY 2009 manual i read that BRP can void your warranty if they feel that your spyder was not properly mantenaced. To void my warranty without even checking the bike at all, Do yall really think thats fare ? I love my spyder, Will i by another one ? I'm planning on it, I have nothing against the spyder but issues with BRP. Some of you are saying that my dealer thru me under the bus, Well maybe so but he told me he could'nt lie and i respect him for that and i am not mad at him. He is the owner of the shop and he has never done nothing but help me over the years. I did'nt buy this bike from because he did'nt have any units in, Every time he contacted BRP on delivery dates they changed form month to month and he did'nt bash me because i did'nt buy form he knew i wanted to have a bike for the summer. But he is thankful because i have sent him 6 customers and all of them purchased spyders. I live in a small town, We have 1 dealer that sells new bikes. The next can am dealer is 75 miles away.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

TAKING PICTURES WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION

Hey Bob, my guess is you were using a Telephoto lens of some good Power because you didn't set any Land Mines Off....:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:...Mike