LIMP.... CHECK ENGINE

[spyder3]

Scotty, what is BRP's rational for limp mode instead of a warning light?:dontknow:

 

[Lamonster]

Scotty, what is BRP's rational for limp mode instead of a warning light?:dontknow:

Here's how it works in cars
http://www.grego.ca/limp.htm

I'm not a fan of shutting down the Spyder like it does at speed. :shocked: It's a lot like when your carbureted motorcycle would run out of gas but at least you could turn the fuel back on then.

 

[NancysToy]

Scotty, what is BRP's rational for limp mode instead of a warning light?:dontknow:

Who knows? Limp mode is common on today's vehicles. Too many people fail to respond to warning lights. Vehicles are also more sophisticated, so they need more protection than in years gone by. Almost everyone has ignored the old "Check Engine" warning at some time or another, and manufacturers decided to address that. The problem here is in how the limp mode is implemented. The sudden slowing from high speed is dangerous. My feeling is that a stern warning should come on, like "Pull 0ver NOW!", and then the limp mode would prevent the rpm from going back up after it had dropped below 3K. For some failures, a speed limit or gear selection limit might even be appropriate. On one of my wife's cars, a transmission failure limited it to 15 mph and second gear. That did not kick in until the car was restarted for the first time, however. One thing is for certain, having your brake lights burned out should not suddenly slow you to 3,000 rpm. It shouldn't even trigger limp mode, just a warning. JMHO

 

[thehawk]

As one who has had my ONLY limp mode kick in while I was passing a truck in the left lane of an interstate, I've already said in another thread how I think it should be implemented. I think the current implementation has tremendous liability for BRP.

thehawk

 

[effgjamis]

Just a thought in reference idiot light.. If the sofware can put you into limp mode, and wheter or not a code is generatated, the console does flash a orange color. It it can do that then what not disply a message as to what triggered the limp mode and then allow the driver 5-10 minutes to get off the road. Just mabe programers/engineers are not riders just paper pushers. GRRRR to Limp mode shutdown even for the tinest thing like it was said tail light bulb..
Which is more important... the engine/bike or life???

 

[docdoru]

It it can do that then what not disply a message as to what triggered the limp mode and then allow the driver 5-10 minutes to get off the road.

 

[effgjamis]

OMG... 55 and counting...... KER >> BOOM...

 

[JolyStNick]

Went out earlier to the grocery store, everything was fine. Came out started the Spyder and a check engine lite came on
I called the dealer again and spoke to the service again and they recommended I trailer it in on Saturday morning and they woould have
another look at it. I came home on the easy side and parked it. I went out a little while ago to put it in the garage, and NO Check Engine LIGHT
ON! (WTF) is going on. I have a little less than 600 miles on this thing, BAD SPYDER!:yikes:

The dealer had it for almost 3 hours yesterday, couldn't they figure out something then?:roflblack: It's 60 miles one way up there!:gaah: I will miss the ride to Lake Placid on Saturday just so they can try to fix it again.:gaah: BUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead:

 

[bluestratos]

The problem that time was the trottle position sensor FYI

If it stalled and would not readily reach 3,000 rpm, you had a secondary problem. I would suspect ignition problems if they continued, or it could have been bad gas (which will throw a "check engine" light when it fouls the O2 sensor).

 

[NancysToy]

The problem that time was the trottle position sensor FYI

That would do it, too. The point is that what you experienced was not a normal limp mode. Limp mode may have been engaged, but the Spyder failed to reach more that the 14 mph because of something else, not because of limp mode. Limp mode can be painful, but sometimes not as painful as severe the mechanical or electrical problems that trigger it.

 

[johnnyrocket]

Went out earlier to the grocery store, everything was fine. Came out started the Spyder and a check engine lite came on
I called the dealer again and spoke to the service again and they recommended I trailer it in on Saturday morning and they woould have
another look at it. I came home on the easy side and parked it. I went out a little while ago to put it in the garage, and NO Check Engine LIGHT
ON! (WTF) is going on. I have a little less than 600 miles on this thing, BAD SPYDER!:yikes:

The dealer had it for almost 3 hours yesterday, couldn't they figure out something then?:roflblack: It's 60 miles one way up there!:gaah: I will miss the ride to Lake Placid on Saturday just so they can try to fix it again.:gaah: BUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead:

Sorry you will miss the Lake Placid ride, where is your dealer?

 

[TicketBait]

BRP are you listening?

Sorry to hear about your troubles Forrest. I have experienced limp mode but all of the times I was only going between 10, 25, 40 mph. The time I ran out of gas at 80 mph while trying to pass a big rig doing about the same on interstate 10 East bound headed to Texas I had about 4 seconds to get over and coast off the highway, that was frightening losing power at that speed. With that said if it was to occur in limp mode where it forces the RPM's down.:lecturef_smilie: BRP has software engineers that I hope are already working on a fix.

My bike is currently in the shop for a leak in the rear air shock, I would add air every other day. Not the worst thing to live with. But I also got a orange light for Brake Failure code several times, & "High Temp Warning" that sent me into limp mode. They (dealership) said that it was low on coolant, they added and it all came out after I rode home. So now it's back in the shop. I miss riding....... I wanna cry.

Maybe with the reactions here, this thread can be forwarded to the appropriate party.

 

[effgjamis]

That would do it, too. The point is that what you experienced was not a normal limp mode. Limp mode may have been engaged, but the Spyder failed to reach more that the 14 mph because of something else, not because of limp mode. Limp mode can be painful, but sometimes not as painful as severe the mechanical or electrical problems that trigger it.

Not sure I agree with the statement in RED.... LIFE is more important as you can always replace mechanical or electrical problems but a LIFE how do you fix or repair that?
Sorry Scottie I am a bit uptight for the LIMP modes I have had and where they have occured.

 

[effgjamis]

I wish to thank all for the comments posted as I am so sorry that I am not the only one having such a problem.
Perhaps action on BRP's part will be forth comming.

 

[NancysToy]

Not sure I agree with the statement in RED.... LIFE is more important as you can always replace mechanical or electrical problems but a LIFE how do you fix or repair that?
Sorry Scottie I am a bit uptight for the LIMP modes I have had and where they have occured.

We're not on the same page Forrest. I'm not arguing the limp mode question. I feel it is a serious safety hazard the way it is implemented right now! I was just saying that it can be something else that actually caused slowing way down (to 14 mph). It is that condition that caused the limp mode, not the other way around. I understand your worry, and I'm glad you took me up on what I suggested in my PM. I think that may get some action if anything will. This problem needs to be corrected!

 

[WaltH]

I have been in limp mode many times. Typically, I can maintain about 40+ mph. This is not fast enough for the interstate, but it is usually okay for secondary streets. Once while traveling in Nebraska, I went into limp mode at about 65 mph. Oddly enough, I was able to maintain about 60 mph for an extended distance with the throttle wide open. After a while, when I lost rpm's, they could not be regained and I ended up at about 40 mph. It seemed like there was some kind of delayed execution of limp mode in that circumstance. I wonder if BRP has some sort of safety mechanism built into the limp mode subroutine?? On the other hand, there may have been some other unknown factors in my particular case.

Has anyone else had a delayed execution of limp mode?

 

[effgjamis]

We're not on the same page Forrest. I'm not arguing the limp mode question. I feel it is a serious safety hazard the way it is implemented right now! I was just saying that it can be something else that actually caused slowing way down (to 14 mph). It is that condition that caused the limp mode, not the other way around. I understand your worry, and I'm glad you took me up on what I suggested in my PM. I think that may get some action if anything will. This problem needs to be corrected!

You are absolutely correct... I think BRP has had long enough time to resolve the Throttle Body problem as they started in July of 2011 Mine actually started in August 2011.

Regardless of what causes the LIMP MODE.. that dangerous function needs to be addressed YESTERDAY, not tomorrow and fixed today.

 

[Tierhog]

Is this primarily an RT issue? Perhaps I scanned the responses to quickly, but I couldn't find many GS/RS responses.
I realize all of them can go limp but the responses seem dominated by the larger and more expensive bikes.

 

[arntufun]

Is this primarily an RT issue? Perhaps I scanned the responses to quickly, but I couldn't find many GS/RS responses.
I realize all of them can go limp but the responses seem dominated by the larger and more expensive bikes.

If this was posted in the general section, you would have seen more input from RS riders.

 

[Lamonster]

If this was posted in the general section, you would have seen more input from RS riders.

The RS is cable driven and the RT is fly by wire and that's why there are more RT issues.