RT problem

[redlightron]

Picked up the new RT Limited today and drove it home and stopped by work to show-off and it would not start when I got ready to leave. Oil light is on and says limp mode - is their a reset or does it go back to the dealer? Thanks in advance for the advise.:helpsmilie:

 

[Dragonrider]

Many times that will reset after sitting with the key off for a few minutes. Having said that, it isn't all that unusual for something to have been left off during assembly. Pull the inspection cover and make sure you actually have oil in the bike...

 

[redlightron]

thank you I will try it Sunday.

 

[Lamonster]

:agree:
but this sounds like it could be a bad oil sending unit. :dontknow:

 

[NancysToy]

Make sure the kill switch is on.

 

[Lamonster]

Make sure the kill switch is on. The Spyder should start and run in limp mode. It sounds like you actually just had the switch turned on for so long that the computer timed out and the low oil pressure light came on, then triggered limp mode. That should have nothing to do with starting. Be sure you are in neutral or have the brake pedal depressed (if an SE5), and that the kill switch is enabled.

I just tried doing that with no luck. Have you done that before?

 

[NancysToy]

I just tried doing that with no luck. Have you done that before?

I can't say for sure that it is programmed to trigger limp mode if the switch is left on. It may require the engine to be running for the low oil pressure signal to trigger limp mode. Just speculating from afar on that one. The bottom line is that limp mode should trigger limited rpm, but by itself it should not prevent the Spyder from starting.

 

[Lamonster]

I can't say for sure that it is programmed to trigger limp mode if the switch is left on. It may require the engine to be running for the low oil pressure signal to trigger limp mode. Just speculating from afar on that one. The bottom line is that limp mode should trigger limited rpm, but by itself it should not prevent the Spyder from starting.

So you're just making this up as you go?

 

[NancysToy]

So you're just making this up as you go?

I'm just trying to get some information connecting the limp mode and the low oil pressure situation to not starting, which is not directly related. There is a display of low oil pressure with the key on, after a while, and I have started the Spyder when it displayed a low oil pressure fault and was in limp mode. Just trying to figure things out remotely. Forget I said anything. :dontknow:

 

[NancysToy]

Okay, I apparently don't have a clue as to what you guys are talking about, which isn't unusual for me.

The kill switch is connected to the D.E.S.S.module which probably prevents the starter motor if Spyder is off and kills the ignition if Spyder is on.

Still can't fathom what it has to do with oil pressure, but 95% of the time, by actual statistics, I'm wrong ...

One shouldn't have anything to do with the other...that is what is confusing. There may be two separate problems...not starting because the kill swith is off, and limp mode due to a low oil pressure fault. Just trying to sort things out. My apologies for the confusion.

 

[JohnS_Rosamond]

My parents have an almost brand new Red RT-S (2011). They have put about 300 miles on the RT and now suddenly the check engine light has come on and it wont run smoothly now. They have tried everything they can to re-set the computer and it looks like an oil pressure sender fault to me (though I don't know what the code is). I tried the button pushing deal to get the code up on the screen, but it wouldn't work (or I wasn't doing it right). I have heard of this occurring on RT's before, but I haven't had that happen to me.

 

[SpyderFun]

Would turning the key "On" then "Off" 3 times eliminate a faulty fault msg? :dontknow:

I agree that it seems that there maybe 2 separate issues. The question is are the faults actually a "hard fault" or just an electronic gremlin that needs clearing?

The "not starting" and "limp mode" are likely unrelated because "limp mode" does allow starting and riding (at a limited speed - an operational limitation). Conversely the "not starting" issue would not give you "limp mode".

BTW, the kill switch placed to the "On" ("Stop" position) and letting the bike run would defeat the kill switch from doing what it was designed to do - shutting off the engine. Just wanted to make sure that the switch needs to be placed in the "Run" position for the engine to actually "run".

Does it turn over like it wants to start?

 

[dadof4]

Picked up the new RT Limited today and drove it home and stopped by work to show-off and it would not start when I got ready to leave. Oil light is on and says limp mode - is their a reset or does it go back to the dealer? Thanks in advance for the advise.:helpsmilie:

It won't start. If it is not started there is NO oil pressure. Of course the oil light is on because it always is on until the Spyder starts. The oil light probably has nothing to do with the problem.

 

[NancysToy]

Thanks to some of the others of you for helping explain what I was after, far better than I did. We do seem to have a couple of problems here, which should be unrelated. As was said, the oil light is normal after a few seconds, when the engine is not started but the ignition is on. If a "Limp Home" mode messageis being displayed before the Spyder starts, that is not normal. I thought it could be related to the length of time the key was left on, but maybe not. I'll have to experiment with that. There is a time delay that allows the low oil pressure light to exist for a few seconds when the engine is being started, so limp mode is not displayed immediately. I think the delay is five seconds. The appearance of the "Limp Home" warning is one problem.

The other problem is the failure to start. Forgetting to switch the kill switch to "Run" is the most common cause. Others could include a low battery or an SE that was shut off in gear. I'm afraid we need more information to assist the owner any further. Thanks again to all who helped to clarify what I was lamely trying to say.

 

[billythekidd]

I have shut mine off in gear a ton of times, and it always starts... just have to push the break before it will start in gear.


Willy

 

[JohnS_Rosamond]

So, can we say that it's possible that there seems to still be an oil pressure sensor problem even for 2011 models? My parents are going to take their Spyder to the dealer that I use as the one they bought at seems to know nothing (even though they seems to sell a lot of them).

 

[redlightron]

To everyone who offered the help. First of all, new kid on the first day riding a spyder and who has never rode a ATV so when I went back to the firehouse today to try it again and put my foot on the bake pedal it started right up. Second problem, oil light came on - it just does that when the engine is not running. Limp mode - I have not idea as to why that happen. Any way, I rode today and enjoyed the ride. Only problem today was the engine just died for no reason while idling in the driveway but would start right up. I will place a phone call to the dealer to see if they may have an idea. Thanks again for all your comments.:doorag: