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At what RPM do you shift on a 988 RSS for mileage

Voodoochild

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I have a 2016 SM6 RSS. Can anyone tell me the average gas mileage of the Spyder for 1 tank of gas? At what rpm do you shift at? Correct me if I am wrong, with the gas tank holding 6.6 gallons and assuming it gets at least 30 miles per gallon the bike should get around 198 total miles out of it? Any one getting more or less?
 
You really cannot rely on what OTHERS get from a tank of gas in their Spyders/riding, cos there's just sooo many variables that can mean what they get might have absofreakinlutely NOTHING in common with what you might get!! Your altitude; the ambient temperature; what gas you've used; how full you fill your tank; how hard you twist your wrist; your tire pressures; the road surfaces you're riding on; and a whole heap more can all make enough of a difference that if you rely on someone else's averages, instead of arriving 'safely' at your next refill spot, instead you end up with an 'out of gas' Spyder sitting by the side of the road, having started the destruction of your fuel pump!! :eek: So 'about 30 mpg' is a reasonable measure to use as an initial comparison to work from, but anyone else's 'average gas milage on 1 tank of gas' might not only be meaningless to you, it could also be downright dangerous to even try to match that, let alone rely on it to determine how far you can safely go!! :rolleyes:

So, that said, where did you get 6.6 gallons from?? IIRC, that's the figure for the 2014 & on 1330 powered RT's and all of the F3's, which have a larger gas tank than the GS's, RS's, RSS's, ST's, & RT's up 'til 2013. Besides, I'm not up to recalling the exact content &/or the conversion between litres and real gallons atm, let alone trying to work out those funny gallons you lot use in North America, but the V-Twins all have about 22 litres in total swept volume gas tanks (including the expansion space above the filler) and of that, only 20 litres is really useable.

Regardless, if you're pushing to use more of the tank and plan on running it to empty, or even close to that, then DON'T!! :cautious: At least, not without working out what YOU generally get in the way of MPG in YOUR riding and staying within that range; not unless you want to risk destroying the fuel pump, the injector system, &/or maybe even the engine!! (and I'd suggest that you really don't pooh-pooh that, as I've just recently seen yet another Spyder engine that's ended up needing a pretty comprehensive rebuild cos the owner ran the tank dry and damaged the fuel pump and injector system enough such that cos they didn't really understand why the engine was losing power, they kept on until they'd stuffed it too!! :eek:)

Modern fuel injection systems, especially those with the pump in the gas tank like our Spyders, use the gas remaining in the tank as both coolant and lubricant for the fuel pump, the injectors, and the injection system, so they REALLY NEED to keep an absolute minimum of about 2 litres of gas in the tank or there's not enough gas left in there to do all the things being asked of it adequately - so aiming to keep a little bit more gas in there is better, cos we all know how often we tend to end up trying to stretch things out juuust a little bit further, but unless you've got the remaining capacity to cater for it, doing that and running the gas remaining level too low can cause all sorts of damage, even if you don't notice it immediately!! This sort of damage is initially microscopic, but once it's started, even just a tiny bit, every rotation of the pump from there on in makes the damage a tiny bit worse, and over time, that all adds up, until eventually... :confused:

So until YOU work out YOUR average MPG, it's probably OK to work on getting about 30 mpg from the around 5 useable gallons in the tank, but you really should do that ASAP! Then work out how far you can safely travel on however much gas you usually end up putting in at a refill, always allowing for that minimum level of gas remaining in the tank. My 2013 RT has had an ECU Upgrade, so I get about the same mpg as most std 1330 Spyders, up in the high 30's mpg, better if I can resist the temptation to use the extra power available at the twist of my wrist (cos doing so will show pretty much all 1330 powered Spyders a clean pair of heels, excepting maybe those with a similar ECU Upgrade, but it does use more gas!! :confused: ) But I still have the smaller gas tank, so even when I am getting the same sort of MPG, I STILL need to refill about 40-50 miles (or sometimes more) sooner!

And btw, if you have a 2016 RSS with the V-Twin motor, then you've probably got an SM5, and not an SM6 - the 6 speed gearboxes only came out with the 1330 motors, and they are only available in the 2014 and on RT's, and in the F3's. ;) The V-Twin motors with the 5 speed boxes juuust LOVE revs, and while you can get away with changing up in an SM5 (manual) box before 3300 rpm or so, there's really no advantage - their power band really comes on song at about 4,000 rpm and peaks up around 8,000+ rpm, with quite a bit more to the red line, altho the Spyder versions of these engines have been restricted and detuned a fair bit too, so don't be afraid to use the revs. In other platforms, these same engines are safely and reliably capable of revving out well beyond 9000 rpm, as some of us who have had an ECU Upgrade to unleash some of that untapped power can happily attest, so REALLY, don't be scared of using the revs - in fact, with the standard tune, you are more likely to damage things by NOT revving them hard enough than you are by over-revving... the ECU won't let you rev too hard anyway!! Back in the early days, quite a few SE5 semi-auto's had operator caused clutch problems basically because the riders weren't revving them hard enough, and they destroyed their clutch!! However, on your SM5, for the best economy, you should probably aim to keep your revs between about 3500 & 5500 rpm - anything much lower is likely to be lugging the engine and won't be helpful to it &/or the clutch OR your overall economy/range; anything much higher than that will definitely produce more power and a zippier ride, and could be helpful for economy too, but if you're aiming for the absolute best economy you can manage &/or the best possible range, that rev range should be pretty good! (y)

Enjoy!
 
The nanny will not let you shift anything under 2k RPM after initially starting. The 998 power band is around 5500 good area to attempt & possibly cruise at (depending conditions) good luck finding open roads & keeping optimal. Enjoy the ride
 
The nanny will not let you shift anything under 2k RPM after initially starting. The 998 power band is around 5500 good area to attempt & possibly cruise at (depending conditions) good luck finding open roads & keeping optimal. Enjoy the ride
Also agree with BF. The 990 and 998's had a shift recommend of 5500 rpms. It has a top line of about 9800 rpms so you are doing the engine no harm. I never used 5th gear unless I was driving around 60 mph. Re gas tank mileage I most of the time got around 185 miles per the tank. I would start looking for gas at about 150 miles into the ride though. Mileage varies by a number of factors. Wind, throttle quickness, terrain, octane per tank, etc. etc. etc. .
 
"I have a 2016 SM6 RSS".

No such thing, which I see that Peter has already pointed out. We get this all the time at the shop where owners mix up the various models specs. It can be confusing when first getting started. But there is a world of difference between the SM/SE5 and the SM/SE6. Nothing is interchangeable.

The V-Twin engine was originally designed for a European Crotch Rocket to compete with the Ducati. As ARtraveler says, 5,500 RPM is the very bottom of the power curve on this engine. These engines do not like to be lugged. They are much happier running between 5,500 and 7,000 RPM. Over time, some very negative things happen if you run this engine too low in the RPM range. People coming off of Harley's and other big V-Twins tried to ride the Spyder like the bike they came from. Carbon buildup was excessive and led to engine troubles.

But there is no one magic shift point for any geared transmission vehicle. It depends on the circumstance. Flatland cruising with relatively low throttle can be done at or below 5,500 RPM. But as soon as the engine begins to bog down, you need to shift to at least 1 lower gear. Again, depending on the conditions.

You'll be doing good to get 30 mpg and 150 miles from your 2016 RSS. Less if you're riding in the mountains. The biggest variable that you have control over is how full you get the tank. Depending on how you fill, you can get a good deal more fuel into the tank with some skill and patience.

The nanny will not let you shift anything under 2k RPM after initially starting. The 998 power band is around 5500 good area to attempt & possibly cruise at (depending conditions) good luck finding open roads & keeping optimal. Enjoy the ride
True for the SE models. Not true for the SM models (which the OP has). With the manual transmission, the Nanny has no say in your shifting RPM.
 
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Also agree with BF. The 990 and 998's had a shift recommend of 5500 rpms. It has a top line of about 9800 rpms so you are doing the engine no harm. I never used 5th gear unless I was driving around 60 mph. Re gas tank mileage I most of the time got around 185 miles per the tank. I would start looking for gas at about 150 miles into the ride though. Mileage varies by a number of factors. Wind, throttle quickness, terrain, octane per tank, etc. etc. etc. .
Some of my personal best MPG was on Ethanol free gas.
 
I have a 2012 RTL, which means I have an engine similar to yours with the semi auto 5 speed transmission and 998 V-Twin motor. Your clutch doesn't lock up until about 4000 rpm, so shifting lower than that is a waste of time and will damage your clutch. I shift at 6,000 and cruise at 5,000. I have 80,000 miles on my motor and it runs great. I regularly ride in whatever gear will keep the rpm's between 4,500 and 5,000. I consistently get 28-30 mpg and fill up at 120 to 150 depending on the population densitity of where I am riding. In very rural areas I start looking at 100 miles. I have run out once in very very rural South Dakota and was rescued by a very kind farmer, but that's not something you can count on. These machines are not designed for fuel economy but for fun. You will have to run your own mileage test to see what your mileage is. After 60 years on 2 and 3 wheels, I have learned you can only go by your own experience. If you have the analogue gas and temperature gauges disconnect them and your digital gauges will appear. It is more accurate, but I still use the trip meter as my fuel gauge. Besides, after 2-2.5 hours I need to use a restroom anyway.
 
2015 RSS SE5
about 38 mpg on cruise at 76mph, 22 mpg on surface street.
180 miles a tank or 100 miles.
I shift at 5000rpm plus when Spyder just starts to come alive and with disconnect air pipe from other side where air filter is, it accelerates little bit better with more growl of air intake noise.
 
I have a 2016 SM6 RSS. Can anyone tell me the average gas mileage of the Spyder for 1 tank of gas? At what rpm do you shift at? Correct me if I am wrong, with the gas tank holding 6.6 gallons and assuming it gets at least 30 miles per gallon the bike should get around 198 total miles out of it? Any one getting more or less?
At the end of the day your pretty much spot on with your assumption, but there's a lot of factors in that and a few people have given you some great ideas. Have you got the answers to your questions? Just like said above, your bike has a rev loving motor in it, and it will perform at its best cranked up, don't short shift it, and look for gas at the 120-150 mark, you'll be ok!
 
You really cannot rely on what OTHERS get from a tank of gas in their Spyders/riding, cos there's just sooo many variables that can mean what they get might have absofreakinlutely NOTHING in common with what you might get!! Your altitude; the ambient temperature; what gas you've used; how full you fill your tank; how hard you twist your wrist; your tire pressures; the road surfaces you're riding on; and a whole heap more can all make enough of a difference that if you rely on someone else's averages, instead of arriving 'safely' at your next refill spot, instead you end up with an 'out of gas' Spyder sitting by the side of the road, having started the destruction of your fuel pump!! :eek: So 'about 30 mpg' is a reasonable measure to use as an initial comparison to work from, but anyone else's 'average gas milage on 1 tank of gas' might not only be meaningless to you, it could also be downright dangerous to even try to match that, let alone rely on it to determine how far you can safely go!! :rolleyes:

So, that said, where did you get 6.6 gallons from?? IIRC, that's the figure for the 2014 & on 1330 powered RT's and all of the F3's, which have a larger gas tank than the GS's, RS's, RSS's, ST's, & RT's up 'til 2013. Besides, I'm not up to recalling the exact content &/or the conversion between litres and real gallons atm, let alone trying to work out those funny gallons you lot use in North America, but the V-Twins all have about 22 litres in total swept volume gas tanks (including the expansion space above the filler) and of that, only 20 litres is really useable.

Regardless, if you're pushing to use more of the tank and plan on running it to empty, or even close to that, then DON'T!! :cautious: At least, not without working out what YOU generally get in the way of MPG in YOUR riding and staying within that range; not unless you want to risk destroying the fuel pump, the injector system, &/or maybe even the engine!! (and I'd suggest that you really don't pooh-pooh that, as I've just recently seen yet another Spyder engine that's ended up needing a pretty comprehensive rebuild cos the owner ran the tank dry and damaged the fuel pump and injector system enough such that cos they didn't really understand why the engine was losing power, they kept on until they'd stuffed it too!! :eek:)

Modern fuel injection systems, especially those with the pump in the gas tank like our Spyders, use the gas remaining in the tank as both coolant and lubricant for the fuel pump, the injectors, and the injection system, so they REALLY NEED to keep an absolute minimum of about 2 litres of gas in the tank or there's not enough gas left in there to do all the things being asked of it adequately - so aiming to keep a little bit more gas in there is better, cos we all know how often we tend to end up trying to stretch things out juuust a little bit further, but unless you've got the remaining capacity to cater for it, doing that and running the gas remaining level too low can cause all sorts of damage, even if you don't notice it immediately!! This sort of damage is initially microscopic, but once it's started, even just a tiny bit, every rotation of the pump from there on in makes the damage a tiny bit worse, and over time, that all adds up, until eventually... :confused:

So until YOU work out YOUR average MPG, it's probably OK to work on getting about 30 mpg from the around 5 useable gallons in the tank, but you really should do that ASAP! Then work out how far you can safely travel on however much gas you usually end up putting in at a refill, always allowing for that minimum level of gas remaining in the tank. My 2013 RT has had an ECU Upgrade, so I get about the same mpg as most std 1330 Spyders, up in the high 30's mpg, better if I can resist the temptation to use the extra power available at the twist of my wrist (cos doing so will show pretty much all 1330 powered Spyders a clean pair of heels, excepting maybe those with a similar ECU Upgrade, but it does use more gas!! :confused: ) But I still have the smaller gas tank, so even when I am getting the same sort of MPG, I STILL need to refill about 40-50 miles (or sometimes more) sooner!

And btw, if you have a 2016 RSS with the V-Twin motor, then you've probably got an SM5, and not an SM6 - the 6 speed gearboxes only came out with the 1330 motors, and they are only available in the 2014 and on RT's, and in the F3's. ;) The V-Twin motors with the 5 speed boxes juuust LOVE revs, and while you can get away with changing up in an SM5 (manual) box before 3300 rpm or so, there's really no advantage - their power band really comes on song at about 4,000 rpm and peaks up around 8,000+ rpm, with quite a bit more to the red line, altho the Spyder versions of these engines have been restricted and detuned a fair bit too, so don't be afraid to use the revs. In other platforms, these same engines are safely and reliably capable of revving out well beyond 9000 rpm, as some of us who have had an ECU Upgrade to unleash some of that untapped power can happily attest, so REALLY, don't be scared of using the revs - in fact, with the standard tune, you are more likely to damage things by NOT revving them hard enough than you are by over-revving... the ECU won't let you rev too hard anyway!! Back in the early days, quite a few SE5 semi-auto's had operator caused clutch problems basically because the riders weren't revving them hard enough, and they destroyed their clutch!! However, on your SM5, for the best economy, you should probably aim to keep your revs between about 3500 & 5500 rpm - anything much lower is likely to be lugging the engine and won't be helpful to it &/or the clutch OR your overall economy/range; anything much higher than that will definitely produce more power and a zippier ride, and could be helpful for economy too, but if you're aiming for the absolute best economy you can manage &/or the best possible range, that rev range should be pretty good! (y)

Enjoy!
Thanks Peter. Your advice is appreciated! The information I have regarding gas tank capacity was from the 2016 RS Operator's manual. States it holds 6.6 gallons or 25 liters. I am assuming they take account of the 2 gallons reserve. Thanks for correcting me on the transmission as well.
 
"I have a 2016 SM6 RSS".

No such thing, which I see that Peter has already pointed out. We get this all the time at the shop where owners mix up the various models specs. It can be confusing when first getting started. But there is a world of difference between the SM/SE5 and the SM/SE6. Nothing is interchangeable.

This engine was originally designed for a European Crotch Rocket to compete with the Ducati. As ARtraveler says, 5,500 RPM is the very bottom of the power curve on the V-Twin engine. These engines do not like to be lugged. They are much happier running between 5,500 and 7,000 RPM. Over time, some very negative things happen if you run this engine too low in the RPM range. People coming off of Harley's and other big V-Twins tried to ride the Spyder like the bike they came from. Carbon buildup was excessive and led to engine troubles.

But there is no one magic shift point for any geared transmission vehicle. It depends on the circumstance. Flatland cruising with relatively low throttle can be done at or below 5,500 RPM. But as soon as the engine begins to bog down, you need to shift to at least 1 lower gear. Again, depending on the conditions.

You'll be doing good to get 30 mpg and 150 miles from your 2016 RSS. Less if you're riding in the mountains. The biggest variable that you have control over is how full you get the tank. Depending on how you fill, you can get a good deal more fuel into the tank with some skill and patience.


True for the SE models. Not true for the SM models (which the OP has). With the manual transmission, the Nanny has no say in your shifting RPM.
Thanks on the transmission correction. I was mistaken.
 
Thanks Peter. Your advice is appreciated! The information I have regarding gas tank capacity was from the 2016 RS Operator's manual. States it holds 6.6 gallons or 25 liters. I am assuming they take account of the 2 gallons reserve. Thanks for correcting me on the transmission as well.
I don't remember what the manual says. But there is no 'Reserve' on a Spyder. And the spec volume includes a fair amount of air space that you cannot get fuel into. Don't count on 6.6 gallons of fuel.


Thanks on the transmission correction. I was mistaken.
No problem, it happens. The Spyder may have the steepest learning curve of any ride.
 
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