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What is the actual break-in mileage? First oil-change due when?

New to the 3-wheel world but have been riding on 2 wheels for about 60 years or so. Took delivery of a 2024 Spyder RT Limited last Thursday; and on reading the manual I found differing information on break in mileage. One place says 600 miles, other places say 3000 miles. Maintenance schedule has first service at 3000 miles, but my dealer said I should bring it in at 500 miles for an oil change and inspection. So, oh wise ones, what say you? (Probably should have posted in the maintenance forum - sorry).
 
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New to the 3-wheel world but have been riding on 2 wheels for about 60 years or so. Took delivery of a 2024 Spyder RT Limited last Thursday; and on reading the manual I found differing information on break in mileage. One place says 600 miles, other places say 3000 miles. Maintenance schedule has first service at 3000 miles, but my dealer said I should bring it in at 500 miles for an oil change and inspection. So, oh wise ones, what say you? (Probably should have posted in the maintenance forum - sorry).


Some dealers aren't exactly honest ..... some dealers aren't very knowledgeable .... I'm pretty handy with my Spyder and didn't ever bring it in for routine service/maintenance .... I just kept good records just in case! I'm pretty sure the 300-mile thing is false ... IMHO doing the OIL change is a good thing (leave the filter for later) .... most if not all the debris in the oil is going to appear in the first 500 miles .... good luck ...Mike :thumbup:
 
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I kept my 2015 RT below 4000 rpm and varied the rpm for the first 600 miles. I took it to the dealership at 3000 miles for the first oil change and check up. I now have 50,000 miles on it and it has never been back to the dealer except for the pulley recall. I too have a 50+ year history on two wheels and still own one and this is how I treated my new two wheeled machines. You will get many different answers to this question as opinions vary. Some are very easy on the new machine and others ride it like the stole it from the start.
 
In my 2023 manual its 300 miles same recommendations like any other break in.... first service is 3000 miles so do not feed the wolves :-)
 
New to the 3-wheel world but have been riding on 2 wheels for about 60 years or so. Took delivery of a 2024 Spyder RT Limited last Thursday; and on reading the manual I found differing information on break in mileage. One place says 600 miles, other places say 3000 miles. Maintenance schedule has first service at 3000 miles, but my dealer said I should bring it in at 500 miles for an oil change and inspection. So, oh wise ones, what say you? (Probably should have posted in the maintenance forum - sorry).

There are restrictions on OPERATION for the first 600 miles. The first MAINTENANCE is at 3000 miles. Two different things. Not a contradiction at all. As far as your dealer goes….well, let’s just say he’s trying to empty your wallet. No advantage to an oil change at 500 miles. Just follow your manual. And welcome to Spyder Land.
 
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In the Operators Guide for my 2024 Spyder on Page 119 it says:

Break-In Inspection

We recommend that after the first 5 000 km (3,000 mi) of operation, your vehicle
be inspected by an authorized Can-Am On-Road dealer, repair shop, or person
of your own choosing. This maintenance is very important and must not be
neglected.

NOTE: This inspection is at the expense of the vehicle owner.
 
It seems a dealer will almost always err on the side of putting money in their pocket.
 
Thanks everyone. I've got a little over 300 miles to date, having only had it since Thursday. Riding very conservatively thus far, varying engine speed, no high rpm, etc. Still getting mid 30's for mpg so you can tell I'm taking it easy. I'll probably pass on the 500 mile "service", although I will say that so far I have been impressed with the dealer. One of the manager's, I think the sales manager, made sure I was aware of the $500 credit from BRP and I ordered a driver backrest and side bag luggage inserts. Not what I would have ordered with my own money, but since they will be at no cost I figured it was a deal. Also won another $125 by playing "poker", where they take the customer around to each department and you draw a card from the deck. I ended up with a full house, so that worked out for me.
 
Welcome: and :congrats:

You will find varying numbers and mileages, and there are reasons for all.

Follow the instructions for the manual, for the Spyder YOU purchased.

In the early days (2008) the v-twin 990's said to bring in for "break in" servicing at 600 miles. They also said to have the valves checked at 28K miles or your bike would blow up. NOT!! NOT!! NOT!!. In those days it was a $1500 dollar "add on." Most people that drank the Kool Aid spent $1500 they did not need to do. Turns out many dealers said they did the work and did nothing but check it off as done. I have owned 7 spyders through the years and did one valve job.

The first Oil change was also recommended at 600 miles in those days. Since 2014 and the advent of the 1330/3 the recommendations went to 3000 miles for that first oil change and then Every 9.5K miles OR once a year, whichever came first. I have always followed those suggestions and never had a problem with my engine having major repairs or blowing up due to lack of maintenance.

BREAK IN: widely suggested is to keep it cool for the first 300 miles or so. The tires need to be run in, and the brakes need to be set in properly. Also suggested is to vary the speeds and gears. Do not run one combinations for miles and miles, etc. This is what I have done on all my Spyder rides. Once again, no blow ups or major issues mechanically with any of them.

You will also get advice as to doing more frequent oil changes than recommended. You will also be told to drive it like you stole it. I do not agree with either, but Who Am I. ???? Its free speech and free advice here in abundance. IMO...sticking with the manual for your machine will keep you out of trouble.

Like one of the credit card commercials says...it's your money, it's your choice.
 
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In the Operators Guide for my 2024 Spyder on Page 119 it says:

Break-In Inspection

We recommend that after the first 5 000 km (3,000 mi) of operation, your vehicle
be inspected by an authorized Can-Am On-Road dealer, repair shop, or person
of your own choosing
. This maintenance is very important and must not be
neglected.

NOTE: This inspection is at the expense of the vehicle owner.


"or person of your own choosing"

I like that part, guess who I'm going to choose?
 
"or person of your own choosing"

I like that part, guess who I'm going to choose?

I hope you aren't going to choose me! :dontknow:

I have a fair set of tools, and back-in-the-day I rebuilt several air cooled VW engines, but the best you'll find me doing these days is replacing the :cus: drive belt on the POS John Deere lawn tractor I own.
 
I hope you aren't going to choose me! :dontknow:

I have a fair set of tools, and back-in-the-day I rebuilt several air cooled VW engines, but the best you'll find me doing these days is replacing the :cus: drive belt on the POS John Deere lawn tractor I own.

Nope, not you. No offense, but I only trust one person to work on any of my machines. Me. I know that it's done right if I do it and I don't have to double check the work.
 
I picked up my '22 Spyder RT-L with 69 miles on the clock. I rode until 300 miles normally, varying speed and load as you would on any ride. Changed oil and filter. Rode to 1200 miles, again changed oil and filter. Changed at 4000 miles, and will continue to do so on 4000-mile intervals on out.
I didn't analyze the first change - no sense in it. I already knew, as with any new engine, it would be full of AL, CU, and silicon from sealant. I DID analyze the 900-mile interval up to 1200, and still found elevated break-in metal, and the viscosity had dropped well into the 30-weight range.
You may be surprised to discover that Can Am, as part of final test, wicks the thing up on the test rollers in the plant. IMO, (which means nothing except to me) the rings are seated, and normal riding after delivery is all that is needed... no special break-in required.
 
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When I had my 2012 RTS-SE5 998 Engine (traded up) and my 2014 RTS-SE6 1330 Ace engine (Since Sold) I had the oil changed at 3,000 miles while they were in storage for the winter months.

My current spyder is a 2023 F3 LTD Special Series, and the owner's manual says:

"Operation During Break-In: A break-in period of 1,000 Km (600 Miles) is required for the vehicle. During the first 300 Km (200 miles) avoid hard braking.

Warning: New Brakes and tires do not operate at their maximum efficiency until their break-in is completed. Braking, steering, and VSS performance may be reduced, so use extra caution. Brakes and tires take about 300 Km (200 Miles) or riding with frequent braking and steering to break-in. For riding with infrequent braking and steering, allow extra time to break in the brakes and tires.

During the first 1,000 Km (600 miles):
Avoid full throttle acceleration.
Avoid prolonged riding maintaining constant RPM
If the cooling fans operate continuously during traffic stop and go traffic, pull over and shut off the engine to let it cool off, or speed up to let air cool the engine off.

After the break-in period, your vehicle should be inspected as per the Maintenance Schedule."​

The above info is found on page 61 of the Owner's Manual (Basic Procedures).

I hope this helps.

Deanna
 
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I think the days of leaving appreciable manufacturing matter in the engine are hopefully long gone (well apart from current Toyota V6 engines I suppose :) ).

The first recommended oil change is 3,000 miles. I did mine at 2000 miles due to the fact it was that mileage after the winter layover.

As Can Am/BRP recommends and uses its XPS brand oil, which is a semi-synthetic oil, I think their recommended subsequent 9000 plus mile oil change intervals are a little too long for my mind. It's the small carbon particles the filter can't catch that are problematic. I'd be worried about sludge buildup with those intervals, so I do mine at 5,000 miles instead; at the dealer with, I guess, their XPS brand oil. Even if I was running a full synthetic oil, I'd still do the same intervals, 9000 plus miles (14850 km) just seems too long for my mind.

The Spyder has a dry sump, which helps with oil longevity of course, as they tend to run the oil cooler as it cools in the tanks, but offsetting this is the fact that the transmission runs in the same oil, and that is pretty hard on the oil's viscosity.

I'm sure that there are some out there using the recommended 9000-mile oil changes on XPS brand oil with 200,000 miles on their Spyder, but I tend to be a little more conservative on oil change intervals, and so far, I've never had an oil related failure on any vehicle in 50 years of driving!
 
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I'm sure that there are some out there using the recommended 9000-mile oil changes on XPS brand oil with 200,000 miles on their Spyder, but I tend to be a little more conservative on oil change intervals, and so far, I've never had an oil related failure on any vehicle in 50 years of driving!

Fair assumption, but what's that old saying about assuming.... :rolleyes:


Not saying this applies specifically here, mec, but I reckon the following juuust might be worth thinking about - if you want to even consider it! ;)

The part of your post I quoted above seems fairly logical, true; but then, I doubt that anyone who changes their oil at 1000-mile intervals would expect to have any issues either?! So you gotta ask how far could/should you take that, if at all? I'd suggest that really, unless you are doing the oil change yourself with an oil you know, like, & trust for a given milage, how far any of us would be prepared to go between oil changes probably comes back to how far are we (any of us) prepared to trust the manufacturer's recommended schedule &/or the dealer, doesn't it?! :dontknow: I mean, if I have to get a dealer I don't know/trust to do an oil & filter change while I'm away from home, I know that I'll always do another oil & filter change as soon as I get home again anyway, regardless of how many miles since the dealer did it... Don't you?? :rolleyes: I do that cos I just don't trust many dealers, or the oil & filters they might be using... :sour: But even so, I'm pretty sure that Can Am/BRP has done the calcs to show that the likelihood of too many Spyders being serviced at the specified intervals/with the specified oils, filters etc failing before the warranty runs out is statistically more often going to fall on the 'UN-likely' end of the scale... :thumbup:

Still, I'd think that most here would normally agree that doing an oil change sooner rather than waiting out the full time &/or milage is fair enough, a pretty reasonable assumption to make, isn't it?? But let me throw this out there for you - waaay back in the dim dark when I had oversight of a vehicle fleet that was spread out over a few remote sites where unscheduled downtime or breakdowns could be life (& business! :p ) threatening, one of the sites had an old-school Head Tech who insisted on doing oil & filter changes on HIS vehicles (first mistake there - everyone knew they were MY vehicles! :roflblack: ) every 5000 km regardless of the manufacturers spec & regular oil analysis checks recommending that doing that every 10,000 km was more than often enough, and going by the earlier comments, that should've been an OK assumption, right?? Everyone at that site assumed it was a good thing too; until I reviewed all the downtime, scheduled maintenance, breakdown costs, etc across ALL the sites and compared them!! :shocked:

Pulling all the servicing & maintenance times & costs across all the sites together showed that not only was that one site spending more time & money on servicing their vehicles; but also, their unscheduled downtime & breakdown rates plus maintenance costs were significantly higher than any of the other sites too!! A thorough review of this, plus some actual measuring of wear on components replaced after breakdown fairly conclusively proved that the 5,000 km service interval that site was using was actually CAUSING more wear (some of it caused just by putting vehicles up on hoists &/or pulling service panels & components etc simply to DO the extra services! :mad: ), increasing unscheduled downtime, breakdowns, maintenance issues, & basically incurring greater costs than they were saving by using shorter service intervals!! nojoke

So while this might not be the case with Spyders, nor necessarily be quite as potentially life threatening, I reckon it's still worth remembering &/or maybe even looking into for each individual Spyder owner who cares/can be bothered - even if you might THINK (or ass-u-me :p ) that you're doing the right thing and can't harm anything by changing the oil more frequently than specified, that is not necessarily always the case!! Some engines, oils, &/or filters actually work best at or near their given service intervals; so changing any of those sooner without due consideration/investigation might not always be as 'good' as you might think!! AND you should maybe also consider your 'total servicing time/cost over ownership' too - is servicing your vehicle & changing the oil more often than is strictly necessary &/or ideal truly in your best interests in the long run?? :dontknow: :rolleyes:

Since that first time I discovered that it DID NOT help &/or save anything in that particular site; but rather, it COST (& risked!) a fair bit; I've come across a number of other instances where 'servicing/changing the oil & filters sooner than specified' wasn't such a great idea cos it was actually OVER-servicing and not only costing more than necessary in the actual service costs, but when that sort of over-servicing does occur, it is also fairly often associated with increased breakdown & wear rates - and not necessarily just in the oil related areas, either!! :lecturef_smilie:

Food for thought, maybe?? :dontknow:

Me, now that I hafta pay for it, I get an oil analysis done every third oil change, and I follow the advice given, albeit balanced against the manufacturer's maintenance schedule! So I reckon I'm having a bit of a 'both ways' bet! YMMV! :thumbup:
 
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