Are you happy with your aftermarket CAR tires?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I put Vredsteins all around on mine. Wonderful difference. Only problem is
now my dealer won't inspect it. ASSWIPE

That's total BS .... here's why - BRP specifies that THEIR wheels REQUIRE tires with a " J " type wheel BEAD .... and Auto tires have a " J " type TIRE bead ....Two wheel Mtc's DON'T .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[greer]

I tried a Hankook Ventus VII on my Ryker 900 Sport and it seemed to cause an exaggeration of the "rear wheel wobble" sensation some of us have experienced in left hand turns. I'm shopping for a rear tire now and asked my dealer about the Kenda Kanine, hoping to stay within the BRP-approved parameters in case this left hand turn issue becomes a warranty or recall case. The service manager emailed BRP, here's a copy and paste of the BRP reply:

"BRP only supplies a specific Kendal tire and the calibrations for the VSS are done with that tire, any deviations of changes of tires can change the handling and characteristics behavior of the unit. We cannot stop customers from changing their tires. Changing the tires also changes the homologation of the unit and is no longer considered compliant with the model number homologations. Any possible accidents or incidents that might occur from a handling issue will come down to the person that changed the tires to non stock tires.
If the tires was changes to non stock tires we can not assist as we have no information about the tire behavior and handling characteristics.
Hope this will give you a better insight on the issue."

So there we have it. I do see the point of the BRP stance on tires to some extent, because my left turn wobble is much less apparent with the factory Kenda. My beef with the factory tire is the poor mileage, I don't want to be buying a tire halfway through a trip.

Sarah

 

[Darth 'Nid]

Vredestein Quatracs all the way around. Excellent tires terrific in the rain!

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I tried a Hankook Ventus VII on my Ryker 900 Sport and it seemed to cause an exaggeration of the "rear wheel wobble" sensation some of us have experienced in left hand turns. I'm shopping for a rear tire now and asked my dealer about the Kenda Kanine, hoping to stay within the BRP-approved parameters in case this left hand turn issue becomes a warranty or recall case. The service manager emailed BRP, here's a copy and paste of the BRP reply:

"BRP only supplies a specific Kendal tire and the calibrations for the VSS are done with that tire, any deviations of changes of tires can change the handling and characteristics behavior of the unit. We cannot stop customers from changing their tires. Changing the tires also changes the homologation of the unit and is no longer considered compliant with the model number homologations. Any possible accidents or incidents that might occur from a handling issue will come down to the person that changed the tires to non stock tires.
If the tires was changes to non stock tires we can not assist as we have no information about the tire behavior and handling characteristics.
Hope this will give you a better insight on the issue."

So there we have it. I do see the point of the BRP stance on tires to some extent, because my left turn wobble is much less apparent with the factory Kenda. My beef with the factory tire is the poor mileage, I don't want to be buying a tire halfway through a trip.

Sarah

Hooey - Hooey - Hooey ....... Have you ever heard this line of BS from ANY Auto maker on the planet :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:..... JMHO ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[BajaRon]

The wrong tire can give you issues. This is true for every vehicle ever made. BRP has a point. But to say their tire is the best possible option is definitely not true.

 

[greer]

I'll choose a different tire this time, for sure. But the bike could run right hand curves like a demon while wearing the Hankook, so it's something about the VSS. Hopefully BRP is working on it, and I'll live with it in the meantime.

Sarah

 

[GS1]

good day had a Vredsteins put on in the rear(install was a lot) a couple of weeks ago and from the start i noticed the difference and that was with it over inflated, once down to proper PSI at the moment 18 still liking it

 

[seger]

I have a Ryker 900 and was wondering what size you change to when changing to other than Kenda tires? 16" I have, but height/width of the front and rear tires?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I have a Ryker 900 and was wondering what size you change to when changing to other than Kenda tires? 16" I have, but height/width of the front and rear tires?

As " GS1 " stated above Vredestein " QUATRAC " would be an excellent choice many others here use that tire on their RT's and F-3's ( in 15 inch size of course ) ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[greer]

I have a Ryker 900 and was wondering what size you change to when changing to other than Kenda tires? 16" I have, but height/width of the front and rear tires?

I believe we're stuck with factory tires or Kenda Kanines on the front, 145/60R16 is an odd size. On the rear you'll need a 205/45R16. I've just started looking myself, so far I have read good things about the Toyo Extensa HP II and the Kumho Ecsta PS 31, but I have no experience with either one.

Sarah

Edit: I've continued to look here and on the FB groups for recommendations on the 205/45R16, the Yokohama Advan Fleva V701 and the Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 seem to get good reviews.

 

[mikthebik]

My first Spyder, a 2015 F3S, was purchased with original Kendas. There was a moderate to severe balance issue at certain higway speeds, that made riding it home from Phoenix to San Diego, a bit of an adventure. That was in late 2022, when tire availabity was challenging. I was able to source some Yoko Avids from Tire Rack and had them balanced locally. They've been wonderfully stable and are wearing well. Rear Kenda lasted anther few thousand miles and was replaced with an Altimax. Both brands have been easy to live with.

My newest Spyder, a 2018 RTL, was purchased locally from a relative with about 11K miles. When it was new, the front tires could not be balanced and were replaced under warranty. When I purchased the bike, the rear, which had worn well, was replaced with another Altimax, which I am, again, very happy with. The fronts still are the warranty replaced Kenda, which will be replaced by some 175/55 car tires that are recommended by the forum, when the time comes.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

My first Spyder, a 2015 F3S, was purchased with original Kendas. There was a moderate to severe balance issue at certain higway speeds, that made riding it home from Phoenix to San Diego, a bit of an adventure. That was in late 2022, when tire availabity was challenging. I was able to source some Yoko Avids from Tire Rack and had them balanced locally. They've been wonderfully stable and are wearing well. Rear Kenda lasted anther few thousand miles and was replaced with an Altimax. Both brands have been easy to live with.

My newest Spyder, a 2018 RTL, was purchased locally from a relative with about 11K miles. When it was new, the front tires could not be balanced and were replaced under warranty. When I purchased the bike, the rear, which had worn well, was replaced with another Altimax, which I am, again, very happy with. The fronts still are the warranty replaced Kenda, which will be replaced by some 175/55 car tires that are recommended by the forum, when the time comes.

Happy to hear you were able to go to Auto tires .... But I don't recommend that SIZE for your Spyder/s .... there are some very nice 165/60-15 size tires that are a better choice .... I love the Vredestein Quatrac in 165/60-15 ( and so do many, many others on this Forum .....Mike :thumbup:

 

[Snoking1127]

My Vredestein's are 175/55R15. I have not had any issues running that size.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

My Vredestein's are 175/55R15. I have not had any issues running that size.

And I'm glad for you ..... most folks don't have any issues with 175/55-15 , however some folks have ..... but you paid more for your tires than I did .... The NANNY is calibrated to allow only a certain amount of lateral traction ie. " G " forces. .... even if you had say a 225 width tire the Nanny would prevent you from improving your lateral traction. JMHO ....MIke :thumbup:

 

[mikthebik]

Happy to hear you were able to go to Auto tires .... But I don't recommend that SIZE for your Spyder/s .... there are some very nice 165/60-15 size tires that are a better choice .... I love the Vredestein Quatrac in 165/60-15 ( and so do many, many others on this Forum .....Mike :thumbup:

I do like the 175/5s, but am certainly open to any reasons they might be problematic. When they were purchased, brands and sizes were VERY limited and the Yokos were the best choice of those recomended by the forum wisdom. Only issue I have is only at rest, where the power steering isn't as effective on the F3S with the Yokos as the RTL with the stock Kendas. Don't know if it's related to the wider footprint of the Yokos, or maybe just a difference in the two units by design, or by chance.

 

[troop]

A couple seasons ago, I bought a set of Achilles ATR-K Economist 165/55R15 tires to try on my F3S. They were a nice improvement over the OEM Kenda's. I then bit on Vredestein reviews and bought a set of 165/60R15 to try on my 2019 F3S. The also worked much better than OEM, and I kept them on. Now I have a 2022 RT STS. I put the Vredestein's on it and they rubbed. I put the Achilles on it and they did not rub. Over the winter, I did shim the RT front fenders but did not refit the Vredestein's. I'll keep the Achilles on the RT and the Vredestein's on the F3S for sale. We'll see what the future brings for 165/55R15 car tires as they're now impossible to find stateside.
Tire Diameter 15 in
Highway Terrain
Radial
Tire Size 165/55R15
Vehicle Type Car
Tire Width 165mm
Tire Aspect Ratio 55
Wheel Diameter 15
Warranty Distance 35000 miles
Tire Season All Season
Tire Speed Rating H
Tire Type Passenger car tire
Tire Load Index 75
Uniform Tire Quality Grade (UTQG) 400-AA-A
Tread Depth 10/32
Assembled Product Weight 16.67 LB

 

[BajaRon]

A couple seasons ago, I bought a set of Achilles ATR-K Economist 165/55R15 tires to try on my F3S. They were a nice improvement over the OEM Kenda's. I then bit on Vredestein reviews and bought a set of 165/60R15 to try on my 2019 F3S. The also worked much better than OEM, and I kept them on. Now I have a 2022 RT STS. I put the Vredestein's on it and they rubbed. I put the Achilles on it and they did not rub. Over the winter, I did shim the RT front fenders but did not refit the Vredestein's. I'll keep the Achilles on the RT and the Vredestein's on the F3S for sale. We'll see what the future brings for 165/55R15 car tires as they're now impossible to find stateside.
Tire Diameter 15 in
Highway Terrain
Radial
Tire Size 165/55R15
Vehicle Type Car
Tire Width 165mm
Tire Aspect Ratio 55
Wheel Diameter 15
Warranty Distance 35000 miles
Tire Season All Season
Tire Speed Rating H
Tire Type Passenger car tire
Tire Load Index 75
Uniform Tire Quality Grade (UTQG) 400-AA-A
Tread Depth 10/32
Assembled Product Weight 16.67 LB

You might have said where the Vredestein's rubbed on the fender. But I was to lazy to look. This is odd as we've installed quite a number of these on customer's Spyders of all years without issue. The 2020+ seem to have a bit less fender room than the earlier models. But this makes it even more strange to have clearance issues on a 2019.

 

[troop]

You might have said where the Vredestein's rubbed on the fender. But I was to lazy to look. This is odd as we've installed quite a number of these on customer's Spyders of all years without issue. The 2020+ seem to have a bit less fender room than the earlier models. But this makes it even more strange to have clearance issues on a 2019.

No clearance issues on my 2019 F3S. I have not tried the Vredestein's (currently on my F3S wheels) on my 2022 RT since I shimmed the fenders. I was happy enough with the tire improvement of the Achilles 165/55R15's to use them on the RT. Shimming was done for future possibilities

 

[pauly1]

All of BRP's responses are to protect the company. Yes, the electronic systems, aka "nanny", are calibrated to the OEM tires and stock wheels. Other combinations may work but BRP has not validated them, nor will they spend the money on doing so. Their disclaimers are based on legal positions, not technology. Another way to state is, "You can run any tire you want. We, BRP, are not responsible for any outcome from you doing so."

As far as motorcycle inspections go, TX checks only vehicle lighting, the horn, and stopping/brake functions. They have never looked at my tires or commented on auxiliary lighting.

Also, there is likely some heavy-handed language between BRP and their dealers about installing after-market tires as any negative result could feed back into a lawsuit against BRP. It's all about protecting the company.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

All of BRP's responses are to protect the company. Yes, the electronic systems, aka "nanny", are calibrated to the OEM tires and stock wheels. Other combinations may work but BRP has not validated them, nor will they spend the money on doing so. Their disclaimers are based on legal positions, not technology. Another way to state is, "You can run any tire you want. We, BRP, are not responsible for any outcome from you doing so."

As far as motorcycle inspections go, TX checks only vehicle lighting, the horn, and stopping/brake functions. They have never looked at my tires or commented on auxiliary lighting.

Also, there is likely some heavy-handed language between BRP and their dealers about installing after-market tires as any negative result could feed back into a lawsuit against BRP. It's all about protecting the company.

:agree: with everything Except - They are calibrated to the OEM tires "....They are calibrated to a SMALL range of tire CIRCUMFERENCES ( ie. rolling distance ) .... they will not recognize, Tread pattern, Tread composition, or Tread width ..... These are CLAIMS made by BRP, but they arn't actual facts Mike :thumbup: