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Different solutions to same symptom.

txknight67

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OK. I posted this in another thread, but decided to start a thread just dealing with this as I have seen the idea floated a couple of different times that maybe this steering issue isn't just related to the DPS. I am starting to come down in that camp and here's why;

As I watch the different updates and "campaigns" come out, I am beginning to think that while many of us are experiencing the same symptom, the root cause is different for many of them. Drawing on a long career in maintenance and troubleshooting, I know for a fact that many times a specific symptom can lead to several different root causes....hence the need for troubleshooting, not just shotgunning parts.

Also, from having dealt with computerized aircraft systems, I know that when software is updated, sometimes extra "features":yikes: are added or induced that were not intended. And these issues are not always found in testing as quite often the test "cards"/ops checks are scripted. The tester follows a specific step by step plan whereas out in the real world things happen in a very unscripted way causing issues to surface that the testing didn't uncover. Trust me on that, aircraft modifications are very rigorously tested, yet my job is safe and secure because issues still make it to production.

So in closing, as I stated earlier, I sincerely believe BRP is all over this. But when they come up with a fix, they are finding out it doesn't fix the issue for everyone, and for some, makes it worse. It isn't that they are doing nothing or don't know what they are doing, it is that they are dealing with a very complicated, interconnected system and quite often that means one can only slowly eliminate the gremlins. No one fix is the magic pill, it will be different for almost every bike.

Until such time, let's all keep the faith and keep communicating and supporting those of us having to deal with the extended troubleshooting time.
 
As close to being right on as any explination I've heard. People have come to this conclusion without being able to put it into words quite as well as this.
 
Steering issues= Bermuda Triangle= DPS/GPS/SIS nojoke

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

And whatever else ya want to throw into that alphabet soup. Just talked to my dealer on Mon and the tech said something about a "GBPS" change. He couldn't find what that acronym meant, but the issues were, occasional "difficult" steering, difficulty shifting, and either an E showing on the control panel or the wrong gear. I have had everything but the wrong gear showing. I had thought it was just my imagination with the hard to shift thing or just me being a newbie and blowing the 1st to 2nd shift (it would hang up in neutral every so often and would take a pretty good toe lift to get it into 2nd; after I had revved the :cus: out of the engine), but guess it wasn't.

Anyway, the short of it is, I am without my Spyder this week and today was a beautiful day for a ride.:gaah: I'm having withdrawals. After not having it between Christmas and New Years, because I had dropped it off for maintenance while I was out of town, and now this week shot.:(
 
Just talked to my dealer on Mon and the tech said something about a "GBPS" change. He couldn't find what that acronym meant, but the issues were, occasional "difficult" steering, difficulty shifting, and either an E showing on the control panel or the wrong gear.
Commonly called the GPS or Gear Position Sensor aka. GearBox Position Sensor aka. Gearbox Angle Sensor. The GPS can wreak havoc with the systems on the Spyder, including the throttle, DPS, and ignition. It does not play well with the CanBus and other systems when it decides to act up. Often does not throw codes, either.
 
Commonly called the GPS or Gear Position Sensor aka. GearBox Position Sensor aka. Gearbox Angle Sensor. The GPS can wreak havoc with the systems on the Spyder, including the throttle, DPS, and ignition. It does not play well with the CanBus and other systems when it decides to act up. Often does not throw codes, either.

A GPS change out was what I originally dropped the bike off for in the first place. The tech mentioned something about a hose and a grommet and some other stuff needing to be ordered and they were ordering it Mon since they didn't get the notification of this new "campaign"(the techs words) just recently. I trust the place, they haven't blown smoke at me yet, so wonder what this is all about.:dontknow:
 
A GPS change out was what I originally dropped the bike off for in the first place. The tech mentioned something about a hose and a grommet and some other stuff needing to be ordered and they were ordering it Mon since they didn't get the notification of this new "campaign"(the techs words) just recently. I trust the place, they haven't blown smoke at me yet, so wonder what this is all about.:dontknow:
The "hose and grommet" thing sounds like part 2 of the ECM update, rerouting the purge valve hose. This campaign (BRP's term for a service bulletin fix) has been out a long time, if that is the case. Let us know if it turns out to be something else. Could be the long awaited airbox fix. Supposedly there was a new campaign announced 12/22, but our dealer knew nothing of it as of last week. This could be the one.
 
The "hose and grommet" thing sounds like part 2 of the ECM update, rerouting the purge valve hose. This campaign (BRP's term for a service bulletin fix) has been out a long time, if that is the case. Let us know if it turns out to be something else. Could be the long awaited airbox fix. Supposedly there was a new campaign announced 12/22, but our dealer knew nothing of it as of last week. This could be the one.

Could be that one announced 12/22. The dealers probably just got it. Like I said, my bike has been at the dealer since then and they were just ordering the parts Mon. Bet he didn't get the notification until the 28th or 29th. I know he isn't one to drag his heels.

I'll let ya'll know. I've been riding fat, dumb, and happy since I bought it, but since I've been poking around here I want to take all the panels off and take a good look see around under the Tupperware. I usually don't dig too deep into the innards of a new machine until I start seeing recalls/updates, have problems, or get past about a year ownership or so. Sounds like I just reached two of the three criteria. So I bet you can guess what I will be doing some weekend after I get it back from the shop.:ohyea:
 
The "hose and grommet" thing sounds like part 2 of the ECM update, rerouting the purge valve hose. This campaign (BRP's term for a service bulletin fix) has been out a long time, if that is the case. Let us know if it turns out to be something else. Could be the long awaited airbox fix. Supposedly there was a new campaign announced 12/22, but our dealer knew nothing of it as of last week. This could be the one.
purge valve or the vent hose
 
The hose I was referring to is technically the vent hose from the purge canister, not the hose running to the canister or the one running to the airbox.
i was just saying that he might have been referring to the vent hose(gas) that was re routed during one of the last updates
 
i was just saying that he might have been referring to the vent hose(gas) that was re routed during one of the last updates
We are talking about the same hose. The gas vent hose actually runs to the purge canister, with a short vent hose to the atmosphere off the canister, and another vent hose to the airbox that works via the purge valve. The new hose extends the canister atmospheric vent to the front of the machine.
 
We are talking about the same hose. The gas vent hose actually runs to the purge canister, with a short vent hose to the atmosphere off the canister, and another vent hose to the airbox that works via the purge valve. The new hose extends the canister atmospheric vent to the front of the machine.
gotcha:thumbup:
 
I had to have the GPS replaced on mine early on as well. The second update for the ECM definitely dealt with that hose issue. If there is another hose issue I wonder what it might be.

Anyway, I hope they get the parts and get your Spyder back to you soon. I am getting close to testing the type of weather our northern dwelling brethren ride in as it will not be over 40 here for the next several days with lows in the teens. Still not sure I am up for it, but I may just have to try it anyway.
 
I had to have the GPS replaced on mine early on as well. The second update for the ECM definitely dealt with that hose issue. If there is another hose issue I wonder what it might be.

Anyway, I hope they get the parts and get your Spyder back to you soon. I am getting close to testing the type of weather our northern dwelling brethren ride in as it will not be over 40 here for the next several days with lows in the teens. Still not sure I am up for it, but I may just have to try it anyway.

I think this is something else. I asked about that ECM update a couple months back and was told it was all done.
 
In that case please keep us updated so we can figure out what is going on as well. The dealership I have always dealt with is closing up shop and I have yet to find another one to take their place. I have the list of ones that are about 2 hours away, I just need to make the time to go check them out and see which one I want to deal with.
 
A GPS change out was what I originally dropped the bike off for in the first place. The tech mentioned something about a hose and a grommet and some other stuff needing to be ordered and they were ordering it Mon since they didn't get the notification of this new "campaign"(the techs words) just recently. I trust the place, they haven't blown smoke at me yet, so wonder what this is all about.:dontknow:

I think you're on the right track...The hose and grommet may be for his Crack Pipe! :roflblack:
 
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