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Sprocket Final Fix Update from Shawn Smoak
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I like Shawn videos and think he is a competent Spyder tech, BUT I also know he tows the BRP line. Alot of Youtubers are like that. They want to curry favor with Corporate (BRP included) for ambassadorships/sponsorships, etc. so they aren't as critical of the company or product. I don't see it as hate but an observation/critique.
PMK
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Leave it with me we'll see how corporate he is.He mentions dealer forum so I'm probably below his pay grade but we'll see.opcorn:
Not sure what your intentions are, but whatever they may be, that is between you and Shawn.
PMK
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If every Can Am Spyder dealership in the USA had a tech with the passion for Spyders, and apparent knowledge and skills that Shawn Smoak presents, BRP / Can Am would have an incredible, well supported product.:thumbup:
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oldguyinTX
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Peacekeeper6
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You DO know that he DOESN'T have to make those informative DIY videos, right ??
He could just say, "F*ck it. I'm just gonna let those Spyder owners bring their Spyders to ME for easy maintenance and repair, and they'll be out a few bucks. Easy money for ME"
Just skip the fluff and watch the meat of the video.
Shees ....
It's a lucrative revenue stream for those with tons of followers.
EdMat
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Have you noticed that most of his vids are not "how to" do something. Just info about something. I'm sure the dealership looks at is as an advertisement. BRP looks at it the same way. Have you noticed that he goes out of his way to mention that the BRP oil is the best. How crapenda tires are the only tire to run on a Spyder. etc, etc, etc. I think he is paid well for his services. A new demo Spyder to ride every year. The revenue he makes from YouTube.
I like his vids, I subscribe to his vids, some I watch and some I don't. I'm very glad there is someone out there doing what he is doing. :2thumbs:
Not a hater - just not a kool-aid drinking fanboy either. He does seem like a very knowledgeable mechanic - but I 100% agree with those that say he's towing the BRP company line. I just don't enjoy wading through the junk to find the value. Not just with him - but any YouTuber - and guess what - like you suggest - I usually just don't watch them.
Sometimes it's hard to find the meat of the video - he jumps around so much. And then he throws in things that get people chasing something that isn't exactly what he said. For Example: Several in this thread are jumping on the locktite - which he didn't say is the way BRP is installing this pulley - but did comment in a way that makes people think that's the case (as it was a historic temporary solution). We don't know for sure yet that Locktite is what is to be used. Hidden Meat - or misleading info?
100% - he makes the videos to make money, and get perks from his dealer and BRP I'm sure.
Agreed!
Again - I'm not a hater - but I also don't understand why people love him so much. To each their own I guess. I'll keep waiting for someone to post the bulletin with more solid info for us to go off of. Will I watch another of his videos - yeah, I'll probably skim through something if I feel it might have a tidbit in it that's useful - but I'll gumble about it to myself again. LOL! Again, to each their own - it clearly works for him.
Revalden
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If a shaft drive is a power robber then just retune the engine cuz it is a powerful engine with a lot more power if tuned correctly.
T.P.
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I put our Spyders away for the Winter on Sunday 11-20, Got my 2nd recall notice on Monday 11-21, wont be any recall work done in Minnesota for a while.
mine passed inspection 7-20 and I run it hard with red dust of death and all.
Lots of miss information about this sprocket recall right from the start.
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...Update-from-Shawn-Smoak&p=1652944#post1652944
T.P.
mine passed inspection 7-20 and I run it hard with red dust of death and all.
Lots of miss information about this sprocket recall right from the start.
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...Update-from-Shawn-Smoak&p=1652944#post1652944
T.P.
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I have had shaft-driven motorcycles since 1979. The "periodic spline lubes" on all of my bikes have only taken an extra 5 minutes at every rear tire change. Just use the proper lube (Honda Moly60 or the new Moly77) and there is no problem with lube interval lasting as long as the tire.
Not sure about the Loctite product that will be used. Hopefully it will not be used to bond the shaft and sprocket. It has been proven over the last (almost) 50 years that a good lube (high moly content} works very well. No need to add any complexity.
I think it was adequately reported in subsequent posts, but the spline area of the sprocket was thinner. The additional washer/spacer merely brings it back to the original thickness. No re-alignment is necessary.
For those pushing for shaft drives, ... add me to the list. There are some that say they are heavy and power-robbing. True, but why did BRP bother to add a shaft to the Ryker 600? On top of that, we all know the 1330 engine is capable of so MUCH more power. It could easily be tuned so the rear wheel power would be the same. Weight would be the only remaining factor. To make it worse, it's "unsprung" weight. Might not be quite as crisply-responsive over road irregularities, but for a heavy touring machine, it's not that much of a problem.
My dealer called a couple of weeks ago to say they had a new sprocket to replace ours. This is the one that I posted a couple months ago where the inner flange had come off, and I had it welded back on. Will be interested to see what the "new" sprocket looks like. Bike is at the dealer now, it's on next week's schedule for work.
The whole stripping issue could be a matter of simple metalurgy. Suzuki introduced a shaft-driven bike in 1979, then expanded to a few different models in 1980. Some time during the 1982 production run, they changed the splines in the final drive. It was quickly found that they were softer and would wear a LOT quicker, if not properly lubed (and most weren't). In 1983, Suzuki came out with a new sprocket that is still produced for current models, 40 years later. Why would BRP have to re-invent the wheel (splines), why not use the same material that Suzuki does?
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bikerchris1270
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The Smoaks Vlogs Front pulley
The Smoaks Vlogs dated today November 30th briefly mentioned the front pulley repair using Loctite 609 instead of the previous assembly paste. It’s some info becoming available……..better than nothing.
The Smoaks Vlogs dated today November 30th briefly mentioned the front pulley repair using Loctite 609 instead of the previous assembly paste. It’s some info becoming available……..better than nothing.
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ulflyer
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https://www.henkel-adhesives.com/us/en/product/retaining-compounds/loctite_660.html
Calls for some serious cleaning before applying. Wonder how well this will be done by most mech's?
Calls for some serious cleaning before applying. Wonder how well this will be done by most mech's?
Woodenfish
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I find most of Shawn’s videos quite boring, uninformative and a few of his videos on Spyders in for repairs to be in the shop torn apart for an extended time period. When you have all of the Tupperware off the Spyder and the wiring harnesses exposed as much as they can be fault tracing should be relatively quick. I’m not sure if that is his diagnostic ability, work load, lack of parts or whatever. I don’t know the training a BRP technician receives or how often it occurs but it seems to me by watching his channel that it is clearly not enough. I don’t know how any manufacturers of motorcycles, ATV’s, snowmobiles, PWC, etc. have any ability to target a mechanically inclined person to work for them. It does not seem like a rewarding career move and the technicians I’ve seen have been quite young. I guess BRP and like others can get away with it because their vehicles are pretty consistent year to year and on the job training is about as good you’re going to get.
I think for Shawn’s channel to be better for my liking he needs to interact with his audience. His lack of seems to suggest he does not really want to inform anyone extensively but just wants YouTube views for his side hustle. Most other technician/craftsmen/tradesmen made channels I have watched are 10x more informative and the subject matter more clearly defined. Perhaps that is not the intent of his channel and my dreams are not ever going to be fulfilled. His channel offers limited entertainment, constant repetition and less than optimal information making forums like this so much more attractive.
I think for Shawn’s channel to be better for my liking he needs to interact with his audience. His lack of seems to suggest he does not really want to inform anyone extensively but just wants YouTube views for his side hustle. Most other technician/craftsmen/tradesmen made channels I have watched are 10x more informative and the subject matter more clearly defined. Perhaps that is not the intent of his channel and my dreams are not ever going to be fulfilled. His channel offers limited entertainment, constant repetition and less than optimal information making forums like this so much more attractive.
MrBill5491
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Ugh, wish they get the new sprockets out soon. I'm #4 on the waiting list since the 1st of Sept. Went to the dealer a couple weeks ago, still no word when they'll receive the first sprockets. They said they would do the quick fix though I want the finally fix so they do have to do it a second time.
Freddy
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BRP must have read some of my old posts.
hyea:https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...t-Spline-Failures/page2&highlight=loctite+660
Partzman23
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I watched the video too, Shawn said to use Locktite 609 for this new sprocket repair ,not Locktite 660.
I took a screen shot from the video .
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