Might just try a snow tire ...

[troop]

Now that it is mounted/balanced can we get the outside diameter measurement ?

Approx. 25.4"

 

[troop]

It's on

 

[PGDoug]

Approx. 25.4"

Thank you

 

[shakin_jake]

Now that it is mounted/balanced can we get the outside diameter measurement ?

~~~not having a go with you here, really. I believe the correct term is circumference, not outside diameter measurement



Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.
Even a blind squirrel 🐿 finds a nut every once in a while

 

[shakin_jake]

It's on

~~~looking forward to reading what you have to say about this tire’s all around performance Troop!

As some have mentioned, winter tires tend to have a softer compound which results in faster wear in warm/dry conditions. That may be so. Last time I purchased winter tires was for an F-100 Ford truck (1968 model year F-100) in oh, around 1975 (only had it for a few years). I can definitely attest to the fast rate of wear on a set of rain tires I ran on my road race bike (closed competition course, not on public roads). The tire compound was so soft that when riding on sections of the track (Moroso, Indian Town Fla.) that were dry, I looked for puddles to run through to stop the high rate of tire wear. I could smell rubber burning on the dry patches. It might be hard to understand how or why would you run a rain tire if there were dry parts of the track yet when it rained at times, one end of the track could be pouring rain while the opposite end was not raining at all and yes, the rain tires were highly siped but the soft tire compound also contributed to these tires uber stickiness


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.
It’s never too late to have a happy childhood

 

[Little Blue]

Ryders Up

It's on

Let's see what she can do. Soooooo give us your thoughts in about 3 or 4 months with say 3,000 or more miles.

Let the Smile Miles roll. ......:thumbup:

 

[troop]

Took my first ride of the season yesterday. If the tire was any louder, I certainly couldn't tell from normal wind noise. Speedo was spot on and the ride was smooooth

 

[troop]

I have about 3k miles on the Goodyear Ultra Grip and can easily report that I really like this tire. I just did a 2200 mile trip to Sturgis, and did many hundreds of miles in the canyons. Stuck like glue, no increase in noise and zero issues on a 500 mile day of rain on I90. Very happy

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

On this topic my post #27 has the perfect solution ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[troop]

On this topic my post #27 has the perfect solution ..... Mike :thumbup:

My Goodyear Ultra Grip has been personally tested by me for hundreds of thousands of miles in multiple state patrol cruisers thru all kinds of conditions/seasons. Good enough for me

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

My Goodyear Ultra Grip has been personally tested by me for hundreds of thousands of miles in multiple state patrol cruisers thru all kinds of conditions/seasons. Good enough for me

Interesting .... I looked for " Ultra Grip " at tire rack and couldn't find any ????? ..... the Vredestein tires are " winter Rated " .... I don't know about the Goodyears..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[mecsw500]

For police sales there seems to be quite a few varieties of Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grips. I don’t think I would be running the snow or ice versions though, with 100 degree temps here I’d run mud and snow all weathers, but snow and ice versions I’m not so sure. The manufacturers don’t recommend it and I’d be a bit nervous in hot, hot days. But, to be honest I’m quite happy with stock tires. They wear quickly compared with a car, but they last a lot longer than my motorcycle tires. I know people give them a lot of grief but I think they are at least fit for purpose. Are there probably better options, for sure, but I don’t think they are as bad as some people claim, I certainly don’t think they are rubbish. Mine is a 21 model so perhaps they are better than versions on earlier years, but when they are done I’ll probably replace them with the same. They seem to work ok 2 up in the canyons and they seem to be at least ok in the wet. YMMV and opinions may differ of course.

 

[Peter Aawen]

For police sales there seems to be quite a few varieties of Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grips. I don’t think I would be running the snow or ice versions though, with 100 degree temps here I’d run mud and snow all weathers, but snow and ice versions I’m not so sure. The manufacturers don’t recommend it and I’d be a bit nervous in hot, hot days. But, to be honest I’m quite happy with stock tires. They wear quickly compared with a car, but they last a lot longer than my motorcycle tires. I know people give them a lot of grief but I think they are at least fit for purpose. Are there probably better options, for sure, but I don’t think they are as bad as some people claim, I certainly don’t think they are rubbish. Mine is a 21 model so perhaps they are better than versions on earlier years, but when they are done I’ll probably replace them with the same. They seem to work ok 2 up in the canyons and they seem to be at least ok in the wet. YMMV and opinions may differ of course.

While I will admit that they are a little better now than they used to be, your feeling that they aren't all that bad is likely just because your only experience so far is with that set on your '21 model, or maybe a few sets if you've had earlier Spyders.... I've seen & removed HUNDREDS of these things off Spyders now, and altho I probably mainly get to see those where the owner/ryders are already having issues with them, I, personally really wouldn't trust them on an ornamental wheel barrow! :shocked:

Sure, if you're lucky enough to get a good set, they can be sorta OK; just like they can be if OK you don't ever really push their limits; but if you are one of the (many?? :dontknow: ) unlucky Spyder/Ryker owners who got a dodgy tire or set of tires; if you ever truly push their limits &/or the Spyder/Ryker's limits; or if you start checking out LOTS of them & how well/badly they might wear/behave on &/or for others... then I have little doubt that you'd soon realise they aren't always all that great and they are often if not always the single most limiting factor on your Spyder/Ryker's handling & riding performance..... :banghead:

But as always, that's just my opinion, developed after seeing how bad quite a few of these bloody poor excuses for 'black round things used to keep the metal bits off the road' actually are - and yes, that's deliberately BEFORE you might start considering them as a useful tire intended for any road going vehicle! :gaah: And as always, it's your ryde, so you can choose to do with it as you will, cos as you noted, YMMV....

Just Sayin'....

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I concur with Peter on this topic 110%.... His level of learning and knowledge is probably above mine. ..... Go Peter :thumbup:...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Peter Aawen]

I concur with Peter on this topic 110%.... His level of learning and knowledge is probably above mine. ..... Go Peter :thumbup:...... Mike :thumbup:

Different areas of expertise Mike - I'd bet that you know a helluva lot more about the practical side of tires & accidents than I ever will, even if I might (maybe?? maybe not?? :dontknow: ) know a bit more theory & tire design/testing! :thumbup:

 

[mecsw500]

Like I said, that’s my experience with them. Like you said, I might have the good fortune of having a decent pair. I didn’t say they were brilliant, but in my limited experience they were ok, a bit like the Pirrelli Phantoms on my Triumph T120. OEM fitments, even on cars these days tend to be a bit naff and don’t last long but they are good enough to ride to their first replacement. As for their performance, although I’m getting older and slower, I can certainly get it on in the canyons and I can understand they are probably the limiting factor they seem to behave ok at the limit with a gradual break away rather than a sudden break away at that limit. Considering it’s a touring machine I thought it was acceptable.

Now I fully understand your experiences may be very different with a higher sample set size but I was just saying from my personal experience mine are OK, not brilliant, but not inconsistent with the standard for OEM tires on many new everyday cars.

Now these things would be less of an issue come replacement if the the Spyder used more readily useful OEM rim sizes, so you could go out and buy easily a set of 3 matching brand and type replacement tires in the OEM specified sizes. If you had to jiggle brands and non OEM sizes on a car, this would be considered a bit naff. I’ve every idea while Can Am did this of course and why their dealers are reluctant to fit alternatives in the main.

But back to my original point, I personally would rather run the OEM tire than run a pure snow or snow/ice tire in the heat where I live.

Thanks for your input on your experience. If I was to replace all 3 tires at once what would you recommend? In addition could you get all three tires from the same manufacturer or would you have sets of front back that go well together in something approaching OEM sizes?

Thanks

 

[troop]

I can only attest to my quite extensive experience with snows on my cruisers. Here in WI, we only experience 90*+ days about a dozen times a year. Mid/upper 80* days are often. WI state patrol cruisers (fully loaded with all electronics/emergency gear) weigh in excess of 5000# . I never had a tire failure due to the tire itself. Had plenty of debris related flats. Also, being a road trooper for 22/25 years, I traveled in excess of 100 mph very often. Hell, you can't catch up to a vehicle going 90 mph by traveling 90 mph .That said, my fully luggaged F3S Spyder is likely pushing in the area of 1000#, with less than half that weight on the rear wheel. And that is only about 3 weeks/year. Other than riding experience with various auto tires on Spyders, most professional tire reviews are conducted on .. autos. Apples/oranges. No issues/no concerns. Trooper tested/trooper approved

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I can only attest to my quite extensive experience with snows on my cruisers. Here in WI, we only experience 90*+ days about a dozen times a year. Mid/upper 80* days are often. WI state patrol cruisers (fully loaded with all electronics/emergency gear) weigh in excess of 5000# . I never had a tire failure due to the tire itself. Had plenty of debris related flats. Also, being a road trooper for 22/25 years, I traveled in excess of 100 mph very often. Hell, you can't catch up to a vehicle going 90 mph by traveling 90 mph .That said, my fully luggaged F3S Spyder is likely pushing in the area of 1000#, with less than half that weight on the rear wheel. And that is only about 3 weeks/year. Other than riding experience with various auto tires on Spyders, most professional tire reviews are conducted on .. autos. Apples/oranges. No issues/no concerns. Trooper tested/trooper approved

" Apples to Oranges " ..... this is simply not true. .... When TIRE SCIENCE is actually used ( and it must be ) to determine what tires work best for a Spyder, a highly rated Auto tire will be a highly rated Spyder tire ( with very few exceptions ) .... IF THE PSI IS ADJUSTED FOR THE SPYDER'S WEIGHT..... As mentioned in another post here the limiting factor is SIZE AVAILABILITY.... Not JMHO ...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[mecsw500]

Now I notice the Goodyear Eagles Ultra Grips come in quite a few types, some snow, some all weather and some mostly performance versions. I know my wife’s Mustang GT is a bit of a pig on pure snows in really hot weather, it understeers badly and has trouble putting the power down. It’s like the rubber just isn’t suited to the temperatures and feels greasy. It seems to upset the balance of the car when pushing on.

I don’t have any thoughts that running a snow tire in summer is unsafe, just that they don’t perform as well as an all season tire when we get to the really high temps out here.

I’ve noticed some of PD’s and Marshals out here change from UG snows to all UG all seasons each year on their Ford Explorers.

Now it’s possible I suppose that the Spyder doesn’t put enough heat into a snow tire even in summer due to its lighter weight and doesn’t put enough stress into it to cause a grip issue.

I don’t think it’s a factor of the tire failing that would concern me, it’s just the odd feeling of the tire being a bit greasy when really hot.

As I rarely ride in true winter conditions I think I would avoid running a snow or snow/ice tire and stick to mud and snow rated all season versions but that’s just my choice. If they were available in the right size the Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip All Weathers would look like a good choice to try.

YMMV of course.

 

[troop]

My tire is a Goodyear Ultra Grip Winter. It's performing much better than my prior (still like new) Cooper Ultra CS 215/60R15 A/S tire. Biggest difference is in wet. That said, I certainly had the option to swap over tires for the season. One year I got tired of carrying my tires upstairs (yep -- had to keep them at home), so I kept my winter tires on. As stated earlier, never no issues and they worked extremely well. My tire is a keeper. YMMV