Doing away with DESS using BUDS Megatech

[PMK]

I have Serious doubts they did this .... if BRP ever finds out they did it, that dealership will lose it's affiliation with BRP..... BRP has ALL the records from ALL the BUDS testing that has been or will be performed on EVERY Spyder ever made...... Anyone can go to any BRP dealership anywhere, and learn everything entered into BUDS about a particular Spyder / Ryker., like how many times has it ever exceeded the REV limit. There are still folks in this world who DON'T believe their CELL phones have Tracking ability ..... or " Alexa " doesn't know what you are doing. Believe what you want , but I'm NOT drinking the Kool-Aid..... JMHO, good luck .... Mike :thumbup:

More accurately, there are events / parameters that the Spyder monitors which can be viewed in BUDS or BUDS 2 at the dealer, however, BRP does not have ALL the records from ALL the BUDS testing. Those of us not affiliated with dealerships can accomplish a multitude of tasks more than a dealership based BUDS or BUDS 2, and the dealership can not control or see this which is good thing. This allows various tasks to be accomplished, such as DESS concerns. I do believe the one method a dealership could restore oem settings would be a complete reflash of the computers to oem setup. But they can not easily see what has been modified. Data log events yes, see altered settings, no.

In regards to remapping the engine settings, other than data logging rpm, I am not convinced a dealership would be able to actually see any changes done, or have them appear as faults. Possibly though, if a dealership did reflash the computer, I am not sure how that would work out. The facility that modified the map would know how secure their settings are and if they could be overwritten by a dealer during a reflash.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

More accurately, there are events / parameters that the Spyder monitors which can be viewed in BUDS or BUDS 2 at the dealer, however, BRP does not have ALL the records from ALL the BUDS testing. Those of us not affiliated with dealerships can accomplish a multitude of tasks more than a dealership based BUDS or BUDS 2, and the dealership can not control or see this which is good thing. This allows various tasks to be accomplished, such as DESS concerns. I do believe the one method a dealership could restore oem settings would be a complete reflash of the computers to oem setup. But they can not easily see what has been modified. Data log events yes, see altered settings, no.

In regards to remapping the engine settings, other than data logging rpm, I am not convinced a dealership would be able to actually see any changes done, or have them appear as faults. Possibly though, if a dealership did reflash the computer, I am not sure how that would work out. The facility that modified the map would know how secure their settings are and if they could be overwritten by a dealer during a reflash.

Really ..... #1.- very, very few folks have the ability to use / access BUDS ..... #2.- If you take your bike to any of the hundreds of dealers that have NEVER seen THAT Spyder, so have NEVER checked it using THEIR BUDS equipment ..... Where do THEIR BUDS computer get the History from. ..... I think from the FILES kept at BRP ..... of course JMHO , and I have been mis-informed in the past ...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[PMK]

Really ..... #1.- very, very few folks have the ability to use / access BUDS ..... #2.- If you take your bike to any of the hundreds of dealers that have NEVER seen THAT Spyder, so have NEVER checked it using THEIR BUDS equipment ..... Where do THEIR BUDS computer get the History from. ..... I think from the FILES kept at BRP ..... of course JMHO , and I have been mis-informed in the past ...... Mike :thumbup:

In regards to your reply #1, those that desire BUDS, as we know can obtain it, but it does have a price. Not what everyone needs, but handy to have in many tasks.

Regarding your #2, there are several variations to the answer. Since I myself, and other independent owners of BUDS are not tied in to Can Ams BOSSWEB, the Spyder would not be connected at all to upload anything or download anything.
Most any parameter I alter or clearing of codes will not be seen by a dealers BUDS or BUDS2 equipment.

Regarding all Spyder data being sent to and stored by BRP each time a dealer connects is certainly possible. Need to ask my friend that was a Can Am dealer service manager. He should know if BUDS does a download each time connected. I was under the impression it was more like a Windows or Apple update. The inquiry is strictly based on program updates. Again it is very possible that Microsoft or Apple secretly grabs all your computer files and such during an update, but then again maybe not.

 

[RudyB]

Where are you located I am on the hook for three third time some wanna be thief stuck a screw driver down the ignition switch

I finally pulled the trigger and purchased BUDS with a Megatech license so I can once and for all do away with DESS (Digitally Encrypted Security System). The cost of this is way cheaper than getting stranded on a trip and having to pay for a tow, repair, lodging, rental car and high blood pressure treatment. Here is the video:

https://youtu.be/q4kaAfjTODE

 

[alexf415]

I finally pulled the trigger and purchased BUDS with a Megatech license so I can once and for all do away with DESS (Digitally Encrypted Security System). The cost of this is way cheaper than getting stranded on a trip and having to pay for a tow, repair, lodging, rental car and high blood pressure treatment. Here is the video:

https://youtu.be/q4kaAfjTODE

If only you were near my location in Seattle area, I would ask you to disable mine too....

 

[alexf415]

I finally pulled the trigger and purchased BUDS with a Megatech license so I can once and for all do away with DESS (Digitally Encrypted Security System). The cost of this is way cheaper than getting stranded on a trip and having to pay for a tow, repair, lodging, rental car and high blood pressure treatment. Here is the video:

https://youtu.be/q4kaAfjTODE

So If I buy this kit, I can disable my Dess And my friends spyder DESS too or this is good for one vehicle only?

 

[Peter Aawen]

Please discuss & only if appropriate, exchange personal info like identification details, phone numbers, etc via PM.

There ARE unscrupulous people out there who will take every opportunity you give them to gain any advantage they can get to aid them in ripping you off, and personal info is a prime commodity - even if they don't want it for themselves, there are those they can sell it to, and others who will buy it and use it!! So Please, always use PM's to exchange any info of that ilk, as per Forum Rule #6 :lecturef_smilie:

 

[DarkHelmet]

If you buy this can you use it for another Spyder if you own more than one, or does it marry itself to just one particular bike?

 

[Peter Aawen]

So If I buy this kit, I can disable my Dess And my friends spyder DESS too or this is good for one vehicle only?

If you buy this can you use it for another Spyder if you own more than one, or does it marry itself to just one particular bike?

The way I understand it, if you buy the MegaTech licence, which has access to turning DESS On or Off, you can use it for many Spyders, not just yours, but only during the time frame your license remains valid. :thumbup:

 

[alexf415]

The way I understand it, if you buy the MegaTech licence, which has access to turning DESS On or Off, you can use it for many Spyders, not just yours, but only during the time frame your license remains valid. :thumbup:

I just ordered the buds today. My 2020 Spyder F3s with just approx 1800 miles has been sitting on my driveway looking at the nice weather outside, helpless due to that dreaded Check Key message. I just talked to Customer Service, and they satisfied all my questions. With two towing experiences in just 2 days that cost me $525, I'm done trusting this DESS. I'm from Seattle WA.

 

[cruisinTX]

So, I've read through all of this thread that started in 2020 and have a question or two.

Based on the links provided, I'm seeing a cost of $644.09 for the "Kit" and then a cost of $101.98 for the One year license for the Megatech option. Are those the entire cost to be able to disable DESS or am I missing something.

Then let's say a person has that one year license, what would be a fair price to charge people to disable their DESS?

Before I jump in with both feet, is there private party in or near Amarillo, Tx with this system so I don't have to drive nearly 700 miles to Houston or Nebraska to get my DESS disabled.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

So, I've read through all of this thread that started in 2020 and have a question or two.

Based on the links provided, I'm seeing a cost of $644.09 for the "Kit" and then a cost of $101.98 for the One year license for the Megatech option. Are those the entire cost to be able to disable DESS or am I missing something.

Then let's say a person has that one year license, what would be a fair price to charge people to disable their DESS?

Before I jump in with both feet, is there private party in or near Amarillo, Tx with this system so I don't have to drive nearly 700 miles to Houston or Nebraska to get my DESS disabled.

JC Thorne lives in Texas, and He can dis-able the DESS module ..... PM Him..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[cruisinTX]

ya, I've been corresponding with him (jcthorne) but he is 700 miles from me. I'm hoping to find someone closer so it's only a one day ride out and one day home. My old bones won't take any more 700-mile days. AND, he says he is booked up at home through the middle of July with appointment only services. My best shot at catching him with time to do it closer to me is to wait until middle of September when he is on his way to NM and meet him about 240 miles from here. That would mean keeping the Spyder grounded until then or taking a chance of being stranded somewhere with the idiotic nanny saying "you're done sucker!"

 

[cruisinTX]

Finally made a connection with jcthorne to meet him closer to home (260 miles). One last question; once started will the bike keep running without the DESS check key message and without fear of shutting down so long as it is not killed manually and restarted?

 

[Peter Aawen]

Finally made a connection with jcthorne to meet him closer to home (260 miles). One last question; once started will the bike keep running without the DESS check key message and without fear of shutting down so long as it is not killed manually and restarted?

Yes! :thumbup:

 

[EdMat]

Finally made a connection with jcthorne to meet him closer to home (260 miles). One last question; once started will the bike keep running without the DESS check key message and without fear of shutting down so long as it is not killed manually and restarted?

The only difference that you will notice after disabling DESS is you can now start using a non programmed key. It's great.

 

[cruisinTX]

Yes! :thumbup:

After reading my question again, I'm not sure I was clear on the timeline of it. I was referring to prior to getting the DESS delete, (once started will the bike keep running without the DESS check key message and without fear of shutting down so long as it is not killed manually and restarted?) I'm planning to carry a couple of extra cans of gas so I don't have to stop and fill up at a station where the signs all say to shut down the engine before fueling. With the 4 to 5 gallons extra, I can easily make that 260 miles by simply stopping where-ever I need to and fill it up on the side of the road without shutting down.

Sorry about the repetition, but I'm just trying to make sure I'm not stranded on the way to meeting with jc.

 

[Peter Aawen]

I haven't seen one shut down while running yet; but I have seen quite a few that simply refuse to start again once they were shut down! :gaah: So I'd suggest that IF you can get it running, you're pretty much good to go until you next choose to shut it down, just so long as you keep it running in the meantime! hyea:

Just don't shut it down once you've got it started and you're on your way to meet JC - once these DESS errors begin, it's a crap shoot on getting the engine started every single time; so if you DO get it started & then later on you do hafta shut your bike down before you've had your DESS Disabled, there's no guarantee that you'll ever get it started again without either replacing the DESS Module & possibly also the DESS Antenna; or getting the DESS Module turned off! :lecturef_smilie:

Ride safe & be very careful when filling up from cans with the engine running. Good Luck! :cheers:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

After reading my question again, I'm not sure I was clear on the timeline of it. I was referring to prior to getting the DESS delete, (once started will the bike keep running without the DESS check key message and without fear of shutting down so long as it is not killed manually and restarted?) I'm planning to carry a couple of extra cans of gas so I don't have to stop and fill up at a station where the signs all say to shut down the engine before fueling. With the 4 to 5 gallons extra, I can easily make that 260 miles by simply stopping where-ever I need to and fill it up on the side of the road without shutting down.

Sorry about the repetition, but I'm just trying to make sure I'm not stranded on the way to meeting with jc.

4 to 5 gals. ???? .... I have a 14 RT also and get 38 to 40 mpg's avg .... I don't get concerned about re-filling until about 200 miles ..... good luck ... Mike :thumbup:

 

[cruisinTX]

I haven't seen one shut down while running yet; but I have seen quite a few that simply refuse to start again once they were shut down! :gaah: So I'd suggest that IF you can get it running, you're pretty much good to go until you next choose to shut it down, just so long as you keep it running in the meantime! hyea:

Just don't shut it down once you've got it started and you're on your way to meet JC - once these DESS errors begin, it's a crap shoot on getting the engine started every single time; so if you DO get it started & then later on you do hafta shut your bike down before you've had your DESS Disabled, there's no guarantee that you'll ever get it started again without either replacing the DESS Module & possibly also the DESS Antenna; or getting the DESS Module turned off! :lecturef_smilie:

Ride safe & be very careful when filling up from cans with the engine running. Good Luck! :cheers:

That's what I was thinking as well, hence the need to carry a couple of extra cans of gas. I normally get about 180 miles comfortably and can push it to 200 if I drive really nice at 55 to 60mph. So to get that 260 miles, I'll definitely need to be able to fill up without shutting it down.

Thanks for the responses everyone.

klc