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WOW!! JT'S AIR FILTER KIT!!

Mike has some good points which should be considered. Everything in life is a trade-off. There are no exceptions. You have to decide what is most important to you, and what you are willing to give up to get it.

I am running the JT Air Cleaner system, and I love it. But like everything else, this will not be a universal experience. Mike is probably right about any significant power increase. Though it definitely SOUNDS more powerful with the JT Air Cleaner. Which brings us to the second point. It does introduce a lot more noise, depending on the amount of throttle being used. That gigantic, monstrous air box (Bigger than anything I've had on any car or truck) you're replacing isn't there just to fill up the open space (which it does an admirable job of, by the way). Which brings us to the 3rd point. The vast open spaces you have to work in and the infinitely improved ease of access to previously evil engineering requiring you to risk losing your sanity trying to get to a Spark Plug, Throttle Body or Air Filter.

JT has since added a noise reduction component. It helps, but you still can't call it quiet. I modified my install by using the vortex portion of the OEM air box. I honestly think it helps. But I did not try it before so I can't be sure. In my case, I find that it gives a very mean, throaty growl under hard acceleration, and settles down to a mild output at cruise. That works for me in the sound department. And I love the access.

As for the hot air, I have to agree with Mike, at least to some degree (no pun intended). At stop & go or slow speeds, you are definitely going to suck in some heated, engine compartment air unless you add some type of cold air intake system. Which I have not done. A cold air intake would probably help mitigate the noise somewhat.

On the other hand, I do not have the Fog Lights installed. I had them at one time but they were a waste, in my opinion. I went a different direction for that task. The OEM fog lights are mounted too high and too far back on the Frunk to be effective. So much for the 'All Knowing Engineers'. They just light up the front of the Spyder with no real benefit. I went with LED's mounted low on the front of the Frunk. They work much better and it opens up those 2 fog light ports for a cold air RAM type effect. I also removed the lower splash panels to give the hot are somewhere to go and wrapped my exhaust pipes with exhaust tape. With the huge open area in the engine compartment achieved with the JT system, I think I've got a reasonable setup for air intake temps. At speed, I am getting a pretty good flow of ambient air through the engine compartment. It keeps me, the motor and interior components, including the fuel tank, much cooler.

At some point I am going to install a thermal sensor to find out exactly what air temps are entering the air cleaner in different situations. That should be interesting.

So, in my case, I don't think my intake air is as hot as it could be. Though I don't have hard data yet to prove it.

Did I mention how nice it is to have all that room to work with under the hood now?

Ron, it's been discussed on this Forum by Me, and by people a lot smarter than me - that " old school " ie. Pre-Computer controlled engine management Systems, that those Power mods will be canceled by the BRP computer and then Adjusted back to the original OEM settings ....... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:
 
Ron, it's been discussed on this Forum by Me, and by people a lot smarter than me - that " old school " ie. Pre-Computer controlled engine management Systems, that those Power mods will canceled by the BRP computer and then Adjusted back to the original OEM settings ....... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:

Not claiming to be an expert either. I have to disagree. The computer's function is not to cancel out any potential improvement in the intake/exhaust process. The computer's function is to optimize (within it's range of variation and ability) whatever changes it finds, good or bad. The sensors sample any number of parameters from air volume and temperature entering the throttle body, to parameters in the exhaust and many more. If the computer senses more air volume entering the throttle body, it will compensate (to a point) with additional fuel to maintain the programmed Air to Fuel ratio. It isn't going to attempt to restrict the air flow back to stock. I am not sure how it would even accomplish this unless it altered the throttle body butterflies WOT point.

Granted, once you reach the limits of the computer's ability to compensate, you have reached the limits of any potential increase in power or performance with the stock computer. So there is definitely a limit. But to assume that the computer has no ability to compensate beyond the OEM state I think is incorrect. The amount of compensation is definitely limited. This is why the Power Commander is useful when larger changes are made. They effectively expand the range of compensation of the OEM computer.

It is fun to speculate though. Everyone has an opinion. That's the way it should be.
 
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I asked the question, because I had seen some people years ago talking about the unit JT was building, then it went off the radar!! I am about to need a set of plugs and wires, and I am beating myself up trying to decide if I want to tackle the job!! What I do know is if I do that job, and I get that GD air box out of there, I would love to not fight the thing the next time I need plugs and wires again. I am not one for making my bike louder by no means, and if it was going to make it that way maybe I would pass on the upgrade! But I still need the plugs! It looks like a real tug, but if I dive into it, it will most likely be a piece of cake, like most things I have tackled on the darn thing!!!:gaah::dontknow: Wish I had a friend that had done it before, for the moral support!!!:roflblack: I will do some soul searching and make the discussion before winter!!
 
Looks like he has a cover for that, I think that's what it is?!! I'll have to give him a call, or email and talk to him! Ron has his air cleaner on, don't think he's having any troubles with it!:dontknow:
 
If I knew that running in the rain would not be a problem with JTs filter kit than I would think about doing it when I had to do something that required the filter box to be removed so I would not have to deal with it again.
 
That is my thoughts exactly!! That's why I think I'll do a little home work and decide which way to go!:2thumbs:
 
I have run in the rain with his air filter kit and not had a problem with the Spyder running. I don't have the rain shield,did not even know there was such a thing or a need for it. I will have to look into that.
 
Remember running classic cars with open air cleaner's in the rain down the highway ? Engine compartment was soaked, top of the air cleaner was dripping wet but the car ran great.. this is the same difference.
 
I didn't like the fact that the Spyder cant sit out in the rain with that filter kit.

I am not sure that it 'Can't'. I've both ridden in, and let mine sit out in some pretty substantial rain without issue. I do have the optional foam noise reduction piece installed. I would think that might make a difference. But there has to be more to it than that if people are also buying a cover. I am curious as to what conditions have cause a problem. It has to be something other than what I've experienced.
 
If I knew that running in the rain would not be a problem with JTs filter kit than I would think about doing it when I had to do something that required the filter box to be removed so I would not have to deal with it again.

I am not sure that it 'Can't'. I've both ridden in, and let mine sit out in some pretty substantial rain without issue. I do have the optional foam noise reduction piece installed. I would think that might make a difference. But there has to be more to it than that if people are also buying a cover. I am curious as to what conditions have cause a problem. It has to be something other than what I've experienced.

We have had the JT's air filter w/ prefilter as well like Ron and have ran in monsoon downpours and have never had an issue. Our is an 11 RTS/SE5 and I have also removed the 2 lower panels also. If someone is getting water in the filter I sure would like to know how? The filter sits about 3 feet off the ground, tucked up under the front of the dash and everything below it would make it seem pretty difficult to get water up around the motor and into the intake? Short of plowing into a foot of water going fast I don't see how, but I have been amazed at what some folks have been able to do as well.
 

JT, can you enlighten us on the water issue with your air filter? I've been through (and let sit in) some pretty heavy showers and no problem. The Air Filter seems to be pretty well protected. I am assuming that someone had a problem. Was the Spyder parked on a steep angle or something unusual?

Thanks!
 
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