video- Steering issue

[ataDude]

We are talking about getting rid of the land line - I have to do some research on an "e fax" because we use our fax alot and that requires a land line.

Wow, I can't remember when I spoke to an american citizen on a customer service call.

That was "Brian" in Mumbai. :roflblack:

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[Roaddog2]

:agree: I think Apple made a huge mistake! I get great reception with Sprint but whenever we call them about something, we seem to get the run around and half the time I end up on the phone with someone overseas who I can't understand. Not that Verizon or any of the carriers will be better but at least I'd get a better phone out of it. Like the iphone but I just don't want to go to AT&T - can't stand our landline service so why would I want a cell phone with them.

Well if they did it never showed in ther stock price :thumbup:

 

[Smylinacha]

Yeah but she doesn't do residential.

We called sprint the other day - I was definitely talking to India - and there was this "international echo" going on - I know how that works cuz I'm on international calls all day long at work. I couldn't understand her well. Then HDX called and he got the same thing.

You talk to Pat she speaks english still I think amd you now who she works fore :gaah:

 

[Mo Lee]

Pretty sure I still have an issue with my steering. If I'm in my garage on the concrete it turns fine but when I get out on the asphalt it's pretty much locked up. If I move at all it's fine, a little hard to turn but not bad.

This is what it was doing in Daytona too and at that time I was able to check mine side by side with another Spyder that did turn easy on the same pavement. At this point I'm not sure if I should have it looked at or not. :dontknow:

YouTube - Spyder steering issue

After watching your video I decided to check mine. I must point out, I like the way mine drives and have not had either update. I did the vent hose extension to mine a couple of months before BRP started doing it. Anyway mine is very hard to turn sitting still on all surfaces and seems to free up as soon as you move, if you force it to turn sitting still you feel a little pop before it gets stiff which I assume is the trigger switch to activate the assist. I guess this is the way it always has been although I think when I got it if you raised it off idle it would kick in and steer freely sitting still. Maybe mine is not working at all or maybe never did, I guess I'll feel another Spyder and compare. Let throw a SWAG idea out here we have a complicated hydralic system on a piece of equipment that is all activated with electric solinoids on numerous times after extensive troubleshooting we have found the problem to be as simple as loose battery cables, weak batteries, and corroded connections causing intermittent current drops. Batteries lose some of there gusto in cool weather and it seems like cool weather is when the problems started again maybe the Spyder needs more amperage. Like I said this is just a SWAG.

 

[Lamonster]

After watching your video I decided to check mine. I must point out, I like the way mine drives and have not had either update. I did the vent hose extension to mine a couple of months before BRP started doing it. Anyway mine is very hard to turn sitting still on all surfaces and seems to free up as soon as you move, if you force it to turn sitting still you feel a little pop before it gets stiff which I assume is the trigger switch to activate the assist. I guess this is the way it always has been although I think when I got it if you raised it off idle it would kick in and steer freely sitting still. Maybe mine is not working at all or maybe never did, I guess I'll feel another Spyder and compare. Let throw a SWAG idea out here we have a complicated hydralic system on a piece of equipment that is all activated with electric solinoids on numerous times after extensive troubleshooting we have found the problem to be as simple as loose battery cables, weak batteries, and corroded connections causing intermittent current drops. Batteries lose some of there gusto in cool weather and it seems like cool weather is when the problems started again maybe the Spyder needs more amperage. Like I said this is just a SWAG.

One other thing folks should check is their tire pressure. If it's too low it can make it steer hard and it can make it pull one way or the other if just one tire is low. I know that was the first thing I checked when Ron lost his steering.

 

[Latemarch]

Anyway mine is very hard to turn sitting still on all surfaces and seems to free up as soon as you move, if you force it to turn sitting still you feel a little pop before it gets stiff which I assume is the trigger switch to activate the assist. I guess this is the way it always has been although I think when I got it if you raised it off idle it would kick in and steer freely sitting still. Maybe mine is not working at all or maybe never did, I guess I'll feel another Spyder and compare. Let throw a SWAG idea out here we have a complicated hydralic system on a piece of equipment that is all activated with electric solinoids on numerous times after extensive troubleshooting we have found the problem to be as simple as loose battery cables, weak batteries, and corroded connections causing intermittent current drops. Batteries lose some of there gusto in cool weather and it seems like cool weather is when the problems started again maybe the Spyder needs more amperage. Like I said this is just a SWAG.

If I recall correctly early on there were several reports of DPS failure that began with a high amp draw from the unit. So while a weak battery could cause the same problem, a DPS unit that is drawing down the voltage in the system could just be a symptom of immenent failure.

Also, many of those with steering issues have reported the "pop" sound in their steering system. There is no trigger switch (to my knowlege) in the system. There is a torque sensor that sends a signal to the computer but it's solid state. Now if it's come loose from the end of the steering shaft that might cause a "popping" sound as well as give bad signals to the steering computer.......anyway, I'd get it in to the dealer for a look-see.

 

[Mo Lee]

If I recall correctly early on there were several reports of DPS failure that began with a high amp draw from the unit. So while a weak battery could cause the same problem, a DPS unit that is drawing down the voltage in the system could just be a symptom of immenent failure.

Also, many of those with steering issues have reported the "pop" sound in their steering system. There is no trigger switch (to my knowlege) in the system. There is a torque sensor that sends a signal to the computer but it's solid state. Now if it's come loose from the end of the steering shaft that might cause a "popping" sound as well as give bad signals to the steering computer.......anyway, I'd get it in to the dealer for a look-see.

I'm not getting a popping sound just the feel of the linkage breaking over center or something. Torque sensor might be the name of the switch because something has to be telling it which direction the torque is being applied. I'm not one to force anything so I don't know how much it takes to turn it sitting still.

 

[Roaddog2]

Pretty sure I still have an issue with my steering. If I'm in my garage on the concrete it turns fine but when I get out on the asphalt it's pretty much locked up. If I move at all it's fine, a little hard to turn but not bad.

This is what it was doing in Daytona too and at that time I was able to check mine side by side with another Spyder that did turn easy on the same pavement. At this point I'm not sure if I should have it looked at or not. :dontknow:

YouTube - Spyder steering issue

I will perform this test today thanks for the vid pretty sure I always been this way for me and had to roll a little on pavement Thanks Lamont :thumbup:

 

[MadDogMN]

A Chart

Gentlemen....and I use the tern lightly lol I'm not really up on this forum format, I more of a Delphi kind of guy. But I was thinking one of you guys that is pretty up on this forum maybe we could do a chart. A chart on the steering problems. Maybe plot out 2008 with problems and 2008 without. 2009 with and without. With up date and without updates. maybe we can uncover some pattern. I have a 2009 sm5 and have had the first upgrade. I have not had any problems. I'm getting ready to do the second upgrade.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Format

Gentlemen....and I use the tern lightly lol I'm not really up on this forum format, I more of a Delphi kind of guy. But I was thinking one of you guys that is pretty up on this forum maybe we could do a chart. A chart on the steering problems. Maybe plot out 2008 with problems and 2008 without. 2009 with and without. With up date and without updates. maybe we can uncover some pattern. I have a 2009 sm5 and have had the first upgrade. I have not had any problems. I'm getting ready to do the second upgrade.

I think that would be helpful.


http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15068

 

[Mo Lee]

After watching your video I decided to check mine. I must point out, I like the way mine drives and have not had either update. I did the vent hose extension to mine a couple of months before BRP started doing it. Anyway mine is very hard to turn sitting still on all surfaces and seems to free up as soon as you move, if you force it to turn sitting still you feel a little pop before it gets stiff which I assume is the trigger switch to activate the assist. I guess this is the way it always has been although I think when I got it if you raised it off idle it would kick in and steer freely sitting still. Maybe mine is not working at all or maybe never did, I guess I'll feel another Spyder and compare. Let throw a SWAG idea out here we have a complicated hydralic system on a piece of equipment that is all activated with electric solinoids on numerous times after extensive troubleshooting we have found the problem to be as simple as loose battery cables, weak batteries, and corroded connections causing intermittent current drops. Batteries lose some of there gusto in cool weather and it seems like cool weather is when the problems started again maybe the Spyder needs more amperage. Like I said this is just a SWAG.

Checked another Spyder yesterday sitting still idling and it feels exactly like mine, hard to turn. Also checked tire pressure and were both 15 psi. Like I said before I like the way mine drives and that is exactly what I'm going to do.

 

[ataDude]

... we have a complicated hydralic system on a piece of equipment...

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Just one minor correction... this is a pure electric power steering assist. No hydraulics involved.

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[Mo Lee]

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Just one minor correction... this is a pure electric power steering assist. No hydraulics involved.

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Fully aware of that fact, my point is electrical items can be very current sensitive, both voltage and amperage.

 

[Zerocool]

Pretty sure I still have an issue with my steering. If I'm in my garage on the concrete it turns fine but when I get out on the asphalt it's pretty much locked up. If I move at all it's fine, a little hard to turn but not bad.

This is what it was doing in Daytona too and at that time I was able to check mine side by side with another Spyder that did turn easy on the same pavement. At this point I'm not sure if I should have it looked at or not. :dontknow:

YouTube - Spyder steering issue

Thanks for posting!

Checked mine out earlier. Steering is smooth in each of the scenarios you cited. So, no issues here.

No risers here... starting to wonder if those w/this issue have risers versus those of us who don't. Just wondering if, over time, something is wearing differently, etc.

 

[stgilmer]

Risers should have no impact......

:agree:I have none, and have hard steering/locking while riding.