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Throw away new factory tires?

Thanks for the advise I appreciate your help!

As far as this thread about throwing the tires away....I just meant.... if the stock tires are really that bad if I should replace them fairly quickly. But the answers I'm getting are telling me, no there not that bad or unsafe. So I will use the up but keep a close eye on them for sure.

P.W.
 
I come to this forum as a beginner and get treated like this!?( this isn't the first time Utahpete has put me down today) Here's a question for you.... What is YOUR agenda? To add to your post total and make good people like me feel small.:dontknow: Maybe someday I'll be as great as you are now......:bowdown:

My question is valid....I've read numerous post where people said that they wish they would have changed out the factory tires sooner because of the difference it makes.
I've already got easily 35k already invested in this new bike and IF I needed new tires to improve the ride and comfort felling I would spend the $300 to do so.

By way of explanation, I'm a Spyder Lover. I love this machine. I trust the judgment of the engineers who spec'd it out. I think it's a breakthrough machine that leads the way for those seeking a safer alternative to 2-wheelers and a better-handling experience than a rear-wheel trike.

Do I think it's perfect? Of course not, but I think the evolutionary process that BRP engineers have taken with the RT in particular over the past decade is reassuring. I think if they believed there was a serious safety issue with the Kenda tires, they would have done something about them by now.

I think this hysterical bashing of the Kenda tires does a major disservice to the Spyder-loving community and this thread is a clear validation of that.

I love Spyders. I'm a Spyder fanatic. I will always defend them against those who spread misleading, conspiracy-based rumors about them.

Now, the ****ty dealer service - that's something else again.
 
I just traded in my 14 RTL in for a F3 Limited. I know how the RTL handled so much better with car tires, SO drove a couple hundred miles with Kendras and had enough, I put car tires on it. Too each their own. I think more important then that is GET A LASER FRONT END ALIGNMENT. BRP doesn't do so good on front end alignment.
 
Thanks for the advise I appreciate your help!

As far as this thread about throwing the tires away....I just meant.... if the stock tires are really that bad if I should replace them fairly quickly. But the answers I'm getting are telling me, no there not that bad or unsafe. So I will use the up but keep a close eye on them for sure.

P.W.

One other thing to bear in mind, the OEM Kendas are only 2 ply.
That means the carcass is not as strong as a 4 ply car tire.
Laser alignment is crucial, but so is the inflation pressure.
Net, net, the handling with OEM tires is even more fiddly than with car tires.
Specifically, if the air pressure is too high, the OEM tires tend to balloon out, reducing the contact patch.
It makes he spyder sit up on the balls of its feet.
For the front tires, this makes the spyder seem twitchy.
For the rear, it makes the center of the tire wear out fairly quickly.
When I ran the OEM tires, I found 17 psi in the front and 26 psi in the rear to be a good compromise.
Good Luck and keep us posted.
 
I think if they believed there was a serious safety issue with the Kenda tires, they would have done something about them by now.
Well I can tell you about a serious safety issue and it relates to the OP's question directly because I did change out my tyres at 350(ish) miles, the distance from my dealer to my home. I already knew about the issue because this is my second RT machine and my partner also is on RT number 2.

I've no idea where you ride or the type of roads you are riding but I can understand that if you primarily ride the slab you may never come across the issue.

The issue is related to the tyre structure and the way it deforms and is present to some extent in most tyres (possibly all tyres), but it's very marked in the front OEM tyres. It has caused the RT to veer completely into the adjoining carriageway more than once and fairly frequently pulls the RT over the road centre line.

I'm referring to the tendency for the tyre to ride up a longitudinal ridge as its shoulder makes contact with that ridge edge. It's exacerbated by flexibility in the steering tie rods but it's cause lies in the tyre. Here in the UK roads are often surfaced by applying tar to one side of the carriageway and covering the tar with stone chippings then the other side of the road is surfaced in the same manner. This leaves a raised section some inches wide, and occasionally more than a foot wide, in the centre of the carriageway because it receives two coatings there. On top of this there is usually the road centre line which adds to the thickness of the raised portion.

When the tyre is run in contact along this edge it distorts and jumps over the raised edge putting the wheel across onto the opposite carriageway. Normally this isn't a serious issue because it can quickly be countered so it's just a nuisance, also, staying to one's own side of the centre road marking is the normal way of travelling but, if you should cut it fine or need to avoid a road hazard then the outcome can be serious. I've only described one situation where the problem can arise but plainly this tyre behaviour can occur anywhere the road surface is poor. If the surface is such that the tyre jumps over an edge and it finds successive edges due to road surface irregularities then the bike can be many feet off line in an instant! Don't ask me how I know!

You might think that you'd be able to counter this but you can't do much about it since, 1) it's not particularly turning the steering, it's a tyre distortion issue and 2) it's very fast.

I mentioned the flexibility of the tie rods and this is to some extent part of the issue too; when the tyre distorts by rolling up a road imperfection at its edge, it becomes slightly conical as its edge lifts and a cone will roll in a circle so the tyre applies a turning moment to the road wheel and loads the tie rod, because the tie rod is flexible it allows the road wheel to be veered by the tyre a little and prevents some measure of counteracting force applied by the rider to attempt to correct the bike running off course. Now this brings us to a modification which will help mitigate the tyre issue and also sharpen up the steering response noticeably. The OEM tie rods on the 1330 Spyders are made from aluminium and although they are more rigid than the previous V-twin Spyders they are still flexible and bend under steering loads. The tie rods on our Spyders are made from 1" stainless steel tube with spherical bearings instead of the poor, and variable, quality of the standard tie rod ends. These tie rods allow much better control of the wheels and tyres but they are not a full solution.

So, in conclusion, my choice is to select a road tyre which has very little sensitivity to road surface imperfections and control the wheels with good tie rods. Hence why I changed out my tyres at new. As an aside, it also removes much of the twitchy tendency the Spyder has over any road surface which is less than good.

IMHO, of course...


To the OP; the choice is yours, only you know how and where you're going to ride your Spyder. Other than the issue I've given above, I think the OEM tyre is fine with good wet and dry grip but with limited traction on loose surfaces or winter conditions. Particularly the rear tyre.
 
Well I can tell you about a serious safety issue and it relates to the OP's question directly because I did change out my tyres at 350(ish) miles, the distance from my dealer to my home. I already knew about the issue because this is my second RT machine and my partner also is on RT number 2.

I've no idea where you ride or the type of roads you are riding but I can understand that if you primarily ride the slab you may never come across the issue.

The issue is related to the tyre structure and the way it deforms and is present to some extent in most tyres (possibly all tyres), but it's very marked in the front OEM tyres. It has caused the RT to veer completely into the adjoining carriageway more than once and fairly frequently pulls the RT over the road centre line.

I'm referring to the tendency for the tyre to ride up a longitudinal ridge as its shoulder makes contact with that ridge edge. It's exacerbated by flexibility in the steering tie rods but it's cause lies in the tyre. Here in the UK roads are often surfaced by applying tar to one side of the carriageway and covering the tar with stone chippings then the other side of the road is surfaced in the same manner. This leaves a raised section some inches wide, and occasionally more than a foot wide, in the centre of the carriageway because it receives two coatings there. On top of this there is usually the road centre line which adds to the thickness of the raised portion.

You might think that you'd be able to counter this but you can't do much about it since, 1) it's not particularly turning the steering, it's a tyre distortion issue and 2) it's very fast.

It sounds like in your particular situation, the condition of the roads demands a different setup than stock OEM equipment. I encourage anyone to adapt their bike as necessary for their particular riding conditions and style and level of comfort. Nothing you have said, though, negates my contention that a stock setup is safe and dependable.

We have two Spyder 2014RTLs, each with over 20k miles. We ride primarily in the Intermountain west and the desert Southwest in a wide range of conditions on a wide variety of roads, including interstates with heavy truck traffic. We have never felt unsafe on the Spyders due to the bike's handling. The original Kendas still are grippy in the twisties and track straight on all but the worst crowned and rutted roads and still have adequate tread on them.

For some people the original Kenda tires represent too much of a compromise in some tire characteristics, but they are not unsafe and the hard facts bear that out.
 
I come to this forum as a beginner and get treated like this!?( this isn't the first time Utahpete has put me down today) Here's a question for you.... What is YOUR agenda? To add to your post total and make good people like me feel small.:dontknow: Maybe someday I'll be as great as you are now......:bowdown:

My question is valid....I've read numerous post where people said that they wish they would have changed out the factory tires sooner because of the difference it makes.
I've already got easily 35k already invested in this new bike and IF I needed new tires to improve the ride and comfort felling I would spend the $300 to do so.

Your question is valid and the response to you by UP was not appropriate for the forum.

Pete take note.

Left Coast
 
I come to this forum as a beginner and get treated like this!?( this isn't the first time Utahpete has put me down today) Here's a question for you.... What is YOUR agenda? To add to your post total and make good people like me feel small.:dontknow: Maybe someday I'll be as great as you are now......:bowdown:

My question is valid....I've read numerous post where people said that they wish they would have changed out the factory tires sooner because of the difference it makes.
I've already got easily 35k already invested in this new bike and IF I needed new tires to improve the ride and comfort felling I would spend the $300 to do so.

Welcome to the forum! All kinds of "experts" are here. Some are experts on Spyder information and some are just experts about everything they have an opinion on. :shocked: You will learn which to listen to and which to ignore. You can easily block posts from certain members in the forum settings. I have found this to be helpful.

As far as the tire question, I have never been off of the original tires and am looking forward to the great improvements to come when I change to car tires. ;) But, I have also never had to do a laser alignment and the Bajaron swaybar upgrade wasn't nearly as thrilling as it was made out to be. Best advice is to ride and decide on your own. The original tires are definitely not unsafe. :2thumbs:
 
I come to this forum as a beginner and get treated like this!?( this isn't the first time Utahpete has put me down today) Here's a question for you.... What is YOUR agenda? To add to your post total and make good people like me feel small.:dontknow: Maybe someday I'll be as great as you are now......:bowdown:

My question is valid....I've read numerous post where people said that they wish they would have changed out the factory tires sooner because of the difference it makes.
I've already got easily 35k already invested in this new bike and IF I needed new tires to improve the ride and comfort felling I would spend the $300 to do so.

My apologies. I was wrong.
 
We bought a 19 RTL last week (being delivered next week) and in my searching here I'm finding that the factory tires are "junk". I've read where people wish they would have put new "car" tires on sooner because of the difference they make in the ride and handling.
My question is.....In your opinion should I just cut my loses on these factory tires now and look into "car" tires sooner rather than later?

If so, can someone point me in the right direction on what to buy for tires and what size ???? I know that's a hot topic so you can PM if you wish.


Thanks for your time and help,
P.W.


One's opinion on Kenda tires depends greatly on one's expectations. It also seems to depend greatly on whether you get a good set of Kendas or a bad set. Some here ride a lot and have years of experience, and they can tell you that car tires make a difference for them. I don't doubt that for a minute, but remember that the emphasis is "for them." I don't know how "they" ride and I haven't experienced car tires on my Spyder. But I also have no need to find out. For me, I bought my 2017 Spyder new and I seem to have lucked into one with good Kendas and good factory alignment. All I know is that they work great for our 2017 Spyder which we bought new. They track straight and IMO it corners great - I am taking one particular on-ramp at 65 mph when it's marked 35 mph. I don't have any desire to corner faster than that, so for me, that's great performance. For others, maybe it's not. And maybe the Kendas will wear out quickly, although mine show no sign of wear after 4000 miles. If and when my Kendas do wear out, there is strong probability I will buy car tires as recommended here. But I'm happy with my setup right now so I'm leaving well enough alone.

IMO if you have a brand new Spyder, it would be silly to replace your factory Kendas before you even try them out for a few thousand miles. Put another way - how would you know if car tires are better if you never even try the Kendas?
 
We bought a 19 RTL last week (being delivered next week) and in my searching here I'm finding that the factory tires are "junk". I've read where people wish they would have put new "car" tires on sooner because of the difference they make in the ride and handling.
My question is.....In your opinion should I just cut my loses on these factory tires now and look into "car" tires sooner rather than later?

If so, can someone point me in the right direction on what to buy for tires and what size ???? I know that's a hot topic so you can PM if you wish.


Thanks for your time and help,
P.W.
just put some premium car tires on and don't look back nite and day difference on both spyders and way longer tread life
 
So far, I've got 1000 miles on my month-old new 2018 RTL. The Kenda's seem pretty grippy to me. Just took the RTL up into the mountains near Red River NM, north of Taos, a 350 mile round trip on some of the twistiest roads and switchbacks you'll ever see and I felt confident the whole time. I do find that motorcycle tires, being more grippy than automobile tires are less forgiving of incorrect tire pressure, though. Also, being a grippy tire, it's going to wear faster, but that's the price you pay for that grip. If I can get 20K out of them - I'll be more than satisfied. A two-wheeler would be running bald and on the cords at 20k, for reference...

Threw my back out the other day changing the front on a Goldwing - a good lesson to remind me not to let them go without checking them more often.
 
I have a 2014 RTS-SE6 and I changed the rear tire ( OEM) at 5,824 miles, the tire was bald in the middle, and not safe to drive at the time. Good luck!


On the rear I am running General Altimax RT 43, and I am on my second General Altimax tire, and my spyder has 24,924 miles on it. The first General had 18.768 miles on.


Deanna
 
I have a 2014 RTS-SE6 and I changed the rear tire ( OEM) at 5,824 miles, the tire was bald in the middle, and not safe to drive at the time. Good luck!


On the rear I am running General Altimax RT 43, and I am on my second General Altimax tire, and my spyder has 24,924 miles on it. The first General had 18.768 miles on.


Deanna

18,768 miles ???? ………… Wow that's terrible, only slightly better than a KENDA :roflblack: …….However I do remember you saying ( a few dozen times ) that you ran it at 26 psi …… maybe that's why it wore out so soon :dontknow:... I used 17 psi in my Michelin Hydro -Edge, and got over 35,000 mi.……………...Mike :ohyea:
 
One more experience. I got 10,500 miles out of my rear OEM Kenda. I was used to getting 20,000 out of my two wheeler tires, so I was very disappointed in that mileage. Reading posts on here I discovered this was about average, tho I should have gotten around 13,000. I was getting ready to go to Sturgis and didn't want to go on that tire. That was in 2015. I went to my local car tire store here in rural central Utah and asked him for his best tire in the size I needed. He gave me a Motorcraft tire. I brought him the wheel minus the center hub, he mounted the tire. BTW that tire was warranted for 80,000 miles. Well. it lasted from 10500, to 44,808. That was Saturday when I put on a new Pirelli,34,000+. I am happy with that. I hope the Pirelli does as well. The Motorcraft handled well and felt more stable in the turns then the Kenda. The Kenda always felt mushy in hard cornering. I left the fronts OEM until they wore out at about at about 25,000. I thought they were fine until I replaced them with Car tires. I discovered that I could go into the corners deeper and come out harder without the front end feeling like it was going to wash out. I did not realize how weak the front tires were. I don't know that these tires will last any longer then the OEMs but they are a real improvement. For me, I would (and did) run the OEMs until they wore out. Then I would go to a quality car tire. Much less money, much better performance, and better mileage, and better, IMHO, ride.

P.S. your front wheels are mounted on the Spyder just like a car only with three lug nuts instead of 5, so you can take your Spyder to the tire shop for front wheel removal. The rear you should remove that on your own. There are videos on You Tube on how to do it.
 
We bought a 19 RTL last week (being delivered next week) and in my searching here I'm finding that the factory tires are "junk". I've read where people wish they would have put new "car" tires on sooner because of the difference they make in the ride and handling.
My question is.....In your opinion should I just cut my loses on these factory tires now and look into "car" tires sooner rather than later?

If so, can someone point me in the right direction on what to buy for tires and what size ???? I know that's a hot topic so you can PM if you wish.
It's a hit and miss proposition. Don't toss the OEMs without trying them. The biggest issue with the rear tires has been wear. On both my 2013 RT and 2014 RTS the rear wore out at less than 8k miles. A change in rubber composition has improved this from what I read here. Other than the propensity to wear in the middle the tires were OK, not great, but OK. If you're going to be riding on a lot of rain soaked roads then consider replacing them before they wear to the bars. The front tires wear reasonably well, but there have been quality problems. The ones on my 2013 still had some miles left when I sold it at 25k miles. Different story with my 2014. The tires were balanced, and wearing fairly evenly, but I had a constant pull to the right, even after a laser alignment. I finally tossed them at 13k miles and installed Continental Conti Pro Contacts. The constant pull was no more.

So ride for a few hundred or thousand miles and if you're not happy with the ride and handling, then change them out for car tires.
 
Do you mind sharing the Size and Model of Motorcraft tire you got 34,000 miles out of! Also the Pirelli. I also need to change what I have been using on my 2016 RT Limited. I have my first General Altimax on the rear, which only has 8,000 miles on it, and looks over half gone, if not more, already. I have been running 20psi on it. I replaced a Khumo, which had been my favorite on my 2012 RT, but on the 2016 RT, it was completely bald, at 13,700 except the outer edges. I run them until I see the first spots of cord. The original OEM Kenda on my 2016 was bald at 9000 miles. Thanks.
007james


One more experience. I got 10,500 miles out of my rear OEM Kenda. I was used to getting 20,000 out of my two wheeler tires, so I was very disappointed in that mileage. Reading posts on here I discovered this was about average, tho I should have gotten around 13,000. I was getting ready to go to Sturgis and didn't want to go on that tire. That was in 2015. I went to my local car tire store here in rural central Utah and asked him for his best tire in the size I needed. He gave me a Motorcraft tire. I brought him the wheel minus the center hub, he mounted the tire. BTW that tire was warranted for 80,000 miles. Well. it lasted from 10500, to 44,808. That was Saturday when I put on a new Pirelli,34,000+. I am happy with that. I hope the Pirelli does as well. The Motorcraft handled well and felt more stable in the turns then the Kenda. The Kenda always felt mushy in hard cornering. I left the fronts OEM until they wore out at about at about 25,000. I thought they were fine until I replaced them with Car tires. I discovered that I could go into the corners deeper and come out harder without the front end feeling like it was going to wash out. I did not realize how weak the front tires were. I don't know that these tires will last any longer then the OEMs but they are a real improvement. For me, I would (and did) run the OEMs until they wore out. Then I would go to a quality car tire. Much less money, much better performance, and better mileage, and better, IMHO, ride.

P.S. your front wheels are mounted on the Spyder just like a car only with three lug nuts instead of 5, so you can take your Spyder to the tire shop for front wheel removal. The rear you should remove that on your own. There are videos on You Tube on how to do it.
 
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