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MR. H1956 said:
You guys all know how the government works. They just like to throw numbers out there and hope something sticks. Kinda like when you cook spaghetti. Pull out a noodle and chunk it at the wall if it sticks it done. If not cook it some more then throw another one
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You do realize don't you that in a democracy WE are the government? I realize it hasn't been too responsive lately but it seems progressives have more to complain about than conservatives do. But, responsive or not to specific issues that interest us, there is no THEY.

We have met the enemy and they is us..... Who said that?
 
RinconRyder said:
The problem with Dreamers is they don't fit the legal profile.

They are technically illegal because they did not process through our immigration system but they could hardly be considered as such because they were brought here by their parents or guardians and thus not responsible for their actions.

The USA does not hold children responsible for petty crimes they commit due to age so why is it different for the immigration system?

As for automatic citizenship being born on American soil - that has proved to be a major cause of family disruption recently. Congress should resolve that defect immediately by tying the child(ren) to the citizenship of the mother.
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There's a lot of hypocrisy at work here. Melania, Ted Cruz, etc.
 
RinconRyder said:
The problem with Dreamers is they don't fit the legal profile.

They are technically illegal because they did not process through our immigration system but they could hardly be considered as such because they were brought here by their parents or guardians and thus not responsible for their actions.

The USA does not hold children responsible for petty crimes they commit due to age so why is it different for the immigration system?

As for automatic citizenship being born on American soil - that has proved to be a major cause of family disruption recently. Congress should resolve that defect immediately by tying the child(ren) to the citizenship of the mother.
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What's a "Dreamer"?
My family has dreams: I'm sure that yours does also.
If you're referring to the children brought in by illegal alien parents: I think that our President has tried to offer a solution for them...
And most of them are already adults now anyway; they could apply for citizenship at ANY time.
 
Let's say that many (Many, many) years ago my pregnant mother goes to Norway (the land of very liberal social benefits) and gives birth to me. Does that make me a Norwegian Citizen and eligible for all the Norwegian benefits? That's what we do with our "anchor baby" program and it's a very big drain on you and me. It has to end.
 
canamjhb said:
Let's say that many (Many, many) years ago my pregnant mother goes to Norway (the land of very liberal social benefits) and gives birth to me. Does that make me a Norwegian Citizen and eligible for all the Norwegian benefits? That's what we do with our "anchor baby" program and it's a very big drain on you and me. It has to end.
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Please quantify 'big drain'. The 'big drain' on our economy is; a) our military, b) our so-called homeland 'security', c) the most expensive and cost-inefficient health care system in the world.

Nothing else comes close. Certainly not anchor babies. What liberal social benefits are they collecting anyway? Healthcare? Nope -they pay just like the rest of us.
 
A Nation that doesn't defend itself: is a goner! nojoke
The Military defends our freedom.
And since you choose to not use firearms to defend yourself: you should be VERY thankful for them. :thumbup:
 
RinconRyder said:
I do think we need different standards for the people brought here as young children. They had no say in what their parents did and it seems very unjust to send them 'back' to a country in which they never lived.
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I agree it would be unfair to deport those who lived their whole lives here and are already working adults. No problem with that -- the actual problem is where do you draw the line? At what age must the child have arrived in America? What if the child arrived here at the age of 16 and is now 18? Why should such a child be entitled to special protection? What about 15? 12?

For those who are STILL young children -- even though they may have been brought here as mere infants and grown up thus far in America -- somebody has to raise and take care of them until they are adults. Who is going to do that? If you give them amnesty, does this then mean we also have to accept their illegal immigrant parents to raise them? Is this not, then, benefiting the parents for not following the law?

So, you say, the parents can go home and the children can be raised by other (legal) family members. But at what age do you allow them to do that? Say the child came here at 18 months and is now two years old. Send the child home with its parents or let it stay here with (legal) family members? And is not also cruel to break up a family like that? Would it not be better to send such young children home with their own parents?

As for how "unjust" this is, is it not true that children everywhere pay the price for their parents' misconduct? If a parent commits robbery, for example, his or her child suffers, doesn't he?

I do not know the answers here but I am tired of the constant stereotyping we do in this country. Things are way too complicated for simplistic solutions.
 
Hi Bob,

Re: they could apply for citizenship at ANY time.

You should stick with what you know: Insurance

And stay out of any legal discussion.

They cannot apply because they have no status.

Jerry Baumchen
 
Hi canamjhb,

Re: Does that make me a Norwegian Citizen and eligible for all the Norwegian benefits?

I cannot speak for Norway. However, I know a woman whose son was born in a US Military hospital in France. He has dual citizenship, American & French. He once told me he would never return to France because he would be elegible for the French military conscription.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) I also knew a number of people born in Brazil to Dutch citizens and they had dual citizenship.
 
UtahPete said:
Trump wants to eliminate the 'chain immigration' loophole (the one his wife used to bring her parents here). If there were no 'chain immigration' when my parents wanted to bring my sister and I to America, we would still be in England no doubt. We were 'sponsored' by my father's sister.

The only 'wall' I respect is the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on the Washington Mall. Border walls are an offense to humanity AND an admission that Homeland Security is a pathetic waste of taxpayers' money.
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I petitioned my wife to come to America in 1988 and she became an American citizen in 1991. LEGALLY.
In 1994, she petitioned one brother and one sister to come to America, and the petitions were approved. LEGALLY.
BUT that doesn't mean they came here. NOOOOO. If you have an approved petition, you still have to wait until the Department of State determines there is a Visa Number available. As of 2018 -- that is, 24 years later -- one brother is now preparing to actually immigrate. LEGALLY.

Don't tell me that "chain migration" is a big problem, not when it takes 24 years to actually come here.
And BTW the farthest you can go with "chain migration" is brother or sister. There is NO provision for aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. etc. as the misinformed would like to believe.
Also BTW, the law actually says that LEGAL immigrants cannot get welfare. Ask me how I know? Because I had to sign an Affidavit of Support for my wife and my brother-in-law in which I personally had to swear that they would never go on public assistance. You can look it up -- it's Form I-864 and I-864A. I think the problem is that nobody bothers to enforce that law.

I do not deny that illegals are getting free medical care at ERs all across the country. The ERs are required to provide this. But that is a law that could and SHOULD be changed. Just don't blame the LEGAL immigrants for it. Yes, some LEGAL immigrants probably slip by and get stuff free, too, but that's because nobody enforces the law. Non-enforcement of the law is one of the biggest problems we have in this country, both for guns and for immigration.

Those of us who have complied with the law regarding immigration get really PO'd about illegal immigrants being able to benefit from their own misconduct and even MORE PO'd when Trump wants to punish us for being good guys and actually complying. I sometimes think my wife's brother should have just come here illegally 20 years ago, he'd be better off today. Heckuva note.
 
JerryB said:
Hi canamjhb,

Re: Does that make me a Norwegian Citizen and eligible for all the Norwegian benefits?

I cannot speak for Norway. However, I know a woman whose son was born in a US Military hospital in France. He has dual citizenship, American & French. He once told me he would never return to France because he would be elegible for the French military conscription.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) I also knew a number of people born in Brazil to Dutch citizens and they had dual citizenship.
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Here's how it actually works: My eldest son was born in the Philippines while I was assigned there. His mother is Filipina. Our son was issued a Philippine birth certificate and the U.S. Department of State issued him a "Certificate of Birth of a United States Citizen Born Abroad." As a natural-born U.S. citizen, he was simultaneously issued issued a U.S. passport.

The Constitution says you must be a "natural born" citizen to be President. However, "natural born" does not mean "born in the geographic United States." By federal law, our son was a United States citizen the instant he was born. Period. That makes him a "natural born" U.S. citizen and the U.S. Department of State agrees. All that baloney about ***** being born in Kenya simply doesn't matter. *****'s mother was an American citizen. Even if he had been born in Kenya (which is BS anyway), he was a natural born U.S. citizen.
 
I have a Cousin who was born in Canada. His Mom was German, and was waiting for her paperwork to allow her to emigrate to the U.S.
My Uncle is American born and bred...

Can I send "Cousin Dougie" back to Canada, and trade for someone different?
 
johnsimion said:
I petitioned my wife to come to America in 1988 and she became an American citizen in 1991. LEGALLY.
In 1994, she petitioned one brother and one sister to come to America, and the petitions were approved. LEGALLY.
BUT that doesn't mean they came here. NOOOOO. If you have an approved petition, you still have to wait until the Department of State determines there is a Visa Number available. As of 2018 -- that is, 24 years later -- one brother is now preparing to actually immigrate. LEGALLY.

Don't tell me that "chain migration" is a big problem, not when it takes 24 years to actually come here.
And BTW the farthest you can go with "chain migration" is brother or sister. There is NO provision for aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. etc. as the misinformed would like to believe.
Also BTW, the law actually says that LEGAL immigrants cannot get welfare. Ask me how I know? Because I had to sign an Affidavit of Support for my wife and my brother-in-law in which I personally had to swear that they would never go on public assistance. You can look it up -- it's Form I-864 and I-864A. I think the problem is that nobody bothers to enforce that law.

I do not deny that illegals are getting free medical care at ERs all across the country. The ERs are required to provide this. But that is a law that could and SHOULD be changed. Just don't blame the LEGAL immigrants for it. Yes, some LEGAL immigrants probably slip by and get stuff free, too, but that's because nobody enforces the law. Non-enforcement of the law is one of the biggest problems we have in this country, both for guns and for immigration.

Those of us who have complied with the law regarding immigration get really PO'd about illegal immigrants being able to benefit from their own misconduct and even MORE PO'd when Trump wants to punish us for being good guys and actually complying. I sometimes think my wife's brother should have just come here illegally 20 years ago, he'd be better off today. Heckuva note.
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Bob Denman said:
I have a Cousin who was born in Canada. His Mom was German, and was waiting for her paperwork to allow her to emigrate to the U.S.
My Uncle is American born and bred...Can I send "Cousin Dougie" back to Canada, and trade for someone different?
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Why would you want to? You got something against the people who build your Spyder? :ohyea:
 
johnsimion said:
All that baloney about ***** being born in Kenya simply doesn't matter. *****'s mother was an American citizen. Even if he had been born in Kenya (which is BS anyway), he was a natural born U.S. citizen.
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Interestingly, that isn't the case. I was just looking up stuff on dual citizenship and came across a CNN article about Ted Cruz' citizenship. The article states that the law in effect at the time O was born was that to be an automatic US citizen the mother or father had to have been physically present on US soil for at least 5 years after the age of 14. O's mother was 18 when he was born, so if she had been residing in Kenya when he was born he would not have been a US citizen because she wouldn't have met the 5 year requirement. The law concerning citizenship of children born to US citizens while abroad has been changed a few times since 1790 when the first such law was enacted.
 
Bob Denman said:
Please tell me that we're not lumping legal, and illegal immigrants into the same pile of people... :shocked:
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If you're referring to the Pew Research report I link to, yes they are. As many legals and illegals have gone back to Mexico as have come here since 2000.
 
canamjhb said:
Does that make me a Norwegian Citizen and eligible for all the Norwegian benefits?
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In England, at least 30 years ago, you do not need to be a citizen to take advantage of their social benefits. At least not in the realm of medical care. I lived in England for a year in 1988-89. During that time I got visits to a physician and a crown on a tooth at zero cost to me.
 
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