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RinconRyder
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I don't know what the situation is in Flori-duh but here in AZ:
Most undocumented workers work for bonifide businesses (mostly construction). Some of them are into drug and gun smuggling, yes.
Virtually all of them pay into SS and have taxes deducted just like the rest of us.
None of them are allowed to receive welfare and "free" medical care is supplied at the behest of the provider - no tax hit.
Hiring illegals is a farce. They will simply buy someone's SS # which passes the background check and the employer can then say "well, we didn't know" and is off the hook.
All I know is that, as with most things, neither party has the solution; a solution will be found when a middle ground is negotiated by both sides. That hasn't happened since Mitch McConnell famously declared, in catering to the virulent right-wing base, that Job#1 for Republicans was to ensure President O was a one-termer. Great way to lead the country.
Bob Denman
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The "Train-Wreck" has left the Station... :banghead:
As far as I'm concerned it left the tracks a long time ago. nojoke
Bob Denman
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You can call me:
Mine too. They worked hard, they taught their kids (my parents) to do that, too. And darned if my parents didn't insist we work hard, too!!
~Sandee~
That is the typical immigrant ethic in my experience. And the country is better for them.
So, let's quit with the bashing of newer immigrants, just because they're not primarily from Europe. That's bigotry, not patriotism.
canamjhb
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I am 1st generation American. My Father immigrated from Canada and Grandparents to the US via Canada. They didn't sneak, lie, cheat, or steal their way into the US. I suspect the very large majority on this forum have a similar story. Just ask yourself, did my ancestors come here illegally? The problem is not with immigration. The problem is with those people who choose to not follow OUR laws. There is a path to citizenship and legal immigration. We just need to find the best way to deal with the cheaters and law breakers. Because they are cheaters and law breakers period. Let your heart bleed for them. Be sympathetic. But understand we simply cannot accommodate each and every poor soul who wants to be here.
I agree completely. My heart doesn't bleed for those who circumvented the system and now find themselves in trouble.
RinconRyder
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I do think we need different standards for the people brought here as young children. They had no say in what their parents did and it seems very unjust to send them 'back' to a country in which they never lived.
Yep, Congress needs to deal fairly with the 'Dreamer' issue and remove the doubt and fear for these young people.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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If you're willing to engage in some lengthy reading here are two very interesting research reports by the Pew Research Center about the Hispanic population in the US, what percentage are immigrants vs. US born, and what has been the trend in migration, mostly unauthorized.
In short since about 2000 the net migration from Mexico has been about zero. As many Mexicans are going back to Mexico as are coming here! Less and less of the annual increase in Hispanic population is from migration and more and more from US births.
The report has several tabs. In the tab of Current Data you'll find the following bit of data about the income level of Hispanic families. In 2015 dollars the median household income was $44,800.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/09/18/facts-on-u-s-latinos/
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
Enjoy the read. It's rather enlightening. At least it is to me!
In short since about 2000 the net migration from Mexico has been about zero. As many Mexicans are going back to Mexico as are coming here! Less and less of the annual increase in Hispanic population is from migration and more and more from US births.
The report has several tabs. In the tab of Current Data you'll find the following bit of data about the income level of Hispanic families. In 2015 dollars the median household income was $44,800.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/09/18/facts-on-u-s-latinos/
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
Enjoy the read. It's rather enlightening. At least it is to me!
I think it broke down before it ever left the station. Just get back off and head home and try again Monday.
Bob Denman
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Please tell me that we're not lumping legal, and illegal immigrants into the same pile of people... :shocked:
Easy Rider
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Nice sentiment.
The problem NOW is: The USA may not be equipped to handle the influx of unskilled and untrained people. We might not even be equipped to handle those that are trained AND skilled without having a negative impact on those already here.
I would like to start seeing the REAL unemployment numbers......that don't exclude those who have "given up and aren't looking for work anymore".
TicketBait
RT-S PE#0412
I would like to see real unemployment and REAL employment #'s over the last 50 years. Should be somewhere you would think. I grew up where my mom was a stay at home mom in the fifties and sixties. Then many more women entered the workforce, very few males switched roles. Families became two working households, The divorce rate skyrocketed to 50%, women needed to work to help raise families. Not sure if I am going anywhere with this. But the unemployment% is always given and not the actual number of People.
RinconRyder
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The problem with Dreamers is they don't fit the legal profile.
They are technically illegal because they did not process through our immigration system but they could hardly be considered as such because they were brought here by their parents or guardians and thus not responsible for their actions.
The USA does not hold children responsible for petty crimes they commit due to age so why is it different for the immigration system?
As for automatic citizenship being born on American soil - that has proved to be a major cause of family disruption recently. Congress should resolve that defect immediately by tying the child(ren) to the citizenship of the mother.
RinconRyder
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How would you possibly measure the number of people who are not actively looking for work?