Companies dumping the NRA

[Bob Denman]

Shouldn't there be an intelligence test and 'means' test before giving out marriage licenses? Maybe a mental aptitude test, too. And, a waiting period of six months at least.

There's little doubt that the dumb ones are breeding faster than the rest of us!

gun free zones just say come on in and do what you want just the threat that there could be a gun waiting on the out side will be a big deterrent

:agree: It's about like ringing the dinner bell... :gaah:

 

[UtahPete]

http://fox43.com/2018/02/26/delta-and-united-join-list-of-companies-to-cut-ties-with-the-nra/

THIS is the subject matter of this thread. I quote the article below; it has nothing to do with the gun debate. This is a business decision pure and simple.

Two major airlines. A cybersecurity firm. Six car rental brands. A home security company. An Omaha bank. Companies have scrambled to cut ties with the National Rifle Association over the past couple of days, and the list continued to grow into the weekend. Delta Air Lines announced Saturday morning that it’s ending discounted rates for NRA members. “We will be requesting that the NRA remove our information from their website,” the company said in a tweet. United Airlines followed a short time later, saying the company will no longer offer discounts on flights to the NRA annual meeting. And TrueCar, a car buying service, said late Friday that it would end its deal with the NRA as of February 28.

 

[Mad Mac]

Sure glad I don't use/or need, any of those companies! Mac:2thumbs:

 

[Chupaca]

As I see it.....

Sadly they are not doing it willingly but from fear. Dick's is looking for publicity seeing as they stopped selling those guns in their main stores after Sandy hook six years ago. As mentioned the value of life has been so diminished it will take generations of learning to eliminate such incedents. :banghead: but agreed this is not the NRA at fault...

 

[Bob Denman]

MORE guns is not the answer to anything.......no matter who's hands they are initially IN.
Most of the gun "crimes" are committed with a firearm that is stolen from it's first, legal owner.

And I saw a message from one teacher something to the affect:
What happens when there is an "incident".....and I get the students in my class hunkered down in their room......and then take out my piece and load it........and proceed out into the hallway........and meet the swat team or other LEOs coming into the building........and there I stand with a gun in my hand. ???????

Could you tell us the source of that statement?
If a Teacher were to be armed: their SOLE purpose, is to get the students secure, lock the door, and wait for the Law Enforcement Personnel to come get them.
They will announce their presence before entering, and the Teacher should respond: letting them know that there is a firearm in the room with them. They would then be given instructions as to how they should stand down... :thumbup:

 

[RapidSpyder]

I heard someone talk about a common factor being the lack of a good male role model in the family. Bluntly put no one has shown them what a real man is.

In high school, several of us had guns and ammo in our vehicles (And fishing rods). I think our main thoughts by about 2 o’clock revolved around shooting birds or rodents or catching a few walleye. My how the times have changed...

 

[UtahPete]

Could you tell us the source of that statement? If a Teacher were to be armed: their SOLE purpose, is to get the students secure, lock the door, and wait for the Law Enforcement Personnel to come get them. They will announce their presence before entering, and the Teacher should respond: letting them know that there is a firearm in the room with them. They would then be given instructions as to how they should stand down... :thumbup:

Not to be argumentative, but if that's the case what is the point of the teacher being armed?

And, then there's this; https://www.dallasnews.com/news/tex...-churchgoers-hostage-police-shoot-man-disarms

 

[Trickie Dick]

Todays news.

Well the first instance of an armed teacher going nuts just occurred today. Didn't take long,did it. Seems like several of you predicted this in earlier posts.
Meanwhile an interesting article regarding the reduction of gun related injuries during the nra conventions. Nationally there has been a drop of 20%. :shocked: This was published in the New England Journal of Medicine,(renown for fake news) and authored by professors from Harvard and Columbia U.

 

[UtahPete]

Well the first instance of an armed teacher going nuts just occurred today. Didn't take long,did it. Seems like several of you predicted this in earlier posts.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-after-report-shots-fired-high-school-n851986
What's worse than a mentally ill student with a gun? How about a deranged teacher with a gun?

Folks, I never thought I'd agree with the Draft-dodger-in-Chief but I do think he's right that the issue is mentally ill people with guns. The problem is how do you determine that someone is unsafe with a gun? What do you do about normal people who are suddenly, temporarily deranged and have a gun, like this teacher?

We have zero resources in this country to address mentally ill individuals who can be helped (except for the VA). Particularly when you consider that most health insurance plans outside of *****care have zero provision for extended mental health care. This is a problem we're not talking about and need to be.

If we took the Homeland Security budget and constructed a world-class mental health care system that was FREE to anyone who asked for help, we could solve a lot of the problems in this country (and empty the jails) and be MUCH safer than we are now.

 

[asp125]

Haven't heard about that one. Do you have a link to the article?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d80&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Yet another instance where the mental health of the individual is a factor. :dontknow:

 

[JerryB]

Hi Dick,

Re: New England Journal of Medicine,(renown for fake news)

I challenge you to prove that statement.

I used to read it regularly; pretty factual IMO.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[UtahPete]

Hi Dick,

Re: New England Journal of Medicine,(renown for fake news)

I challenge you to prove that statement.

I used to read it regularly; pretty factual IMO.

Jerry Baumchen

I think he was being facetious with the parenthetical remark.

 

[ThreeWheels]

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

lets be real this stems from the lack off good parenting

A letter to the editor of the Idaho Statesman on Feb 26.

For many years, the gun shop on Ustick had a sign stating “It’s not gun control, it’s son control.”
In light of the tragic events that have brought unbelievable grief to our nation, I have this to say. As a mother of 40 years and a grandmother, there is no such thing as “son control.” How much easier my life would have been if every word of caution and direction was heeded by the children in my life.
Before mass shootings were even a discussion, a co-worker told me her father took her brothers to gun safety classes and promised severe punishments if the household gun rules were disobeyed. Yet, she knew each of her brothers opened the locked gun case and showed off the family hunting rifles when the parents weren’t home. Son control?
On the first day of hunting, my brother took the rifle from the broom closet, aimed it down the street, fired. It had been loaded in the house since the last season.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article202308134.html#storylink=cpy
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[UtahPete]

I'm not sure what your point is. The problem isn't mass shootings but abortion?

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I have a question. How many people can a mentally deranged person kill if all he has is a semi-automatic rifle with a 6 round magazine compared to an AR-15 type weapon with a 30 or 50 round magazine that is modified to fire automatically?

Mental illness is only one part of the problem.

BTW, I will second Bob's discussion in the other thread of the NRA gun safety training program. An NRA rep, not of their political arm, talked to us at a Lions Club meeting discussing their program to promote safe and sane gun use. I was pleased with what I heard.

 

[ARtraveler]

tick, tick, tick...

 

[RinconRyder]

lets be real this stems from the lack off good parenting

Not in all cases. Once someone turns 18 years old they cannot, by law, be "managed" by their parents. Should someone go off the rails after this time it is up to various agencies to detect, detain and manage the mental illness. This is not being done currently and the Florida shooting bears this out. There were half a dozen warnings given about the shooter and yet he fell through every single crack. Several people tried "parenting" Cruz but for one reason or another were either unsuccessful or he successfully hid his wacky behavior.

 

[RinconRyder]

Shouldn't there be an intelligence test and 'means' test before giving out marriage licenses? Maybe a mental aptitude test, too. And, a waiting period of six months at least.

What good would an "intelligence" test do? Unless someone is totally dysfunctional how would you determine their suitability for marriage? I have known several couples who are dumb as rocks but very happy together.

And what about a 'means' test? Your wealth can change daily so what is appropriate today may change radically within a six month period. Look at all the people who contract an expensive disease and go bankrupt trying to pay for medical care.

A waiting period? Just run off to Mexico or some other country who doesn't have a waiting period. Too many loopholes.

 

[RinconRyder]

Sadly they are not doing it willingly but from fear. Dick's is looking for publicity seeing as they stopped selling those guns in their main stores after Sandy hook six years ago. As mentioned the value of life has been so diminished it will take generations of learning to eliminate such incedents. :banghead: but agreed this is not the NRA at fault...

Most corporations Board of Directors is individually and collectively responsible for operating their company in a lawful and business manner. They can be sued or jailed for failure to protect company assets. Their brand is a huge asset and has significant value. Being associated with another company that is viewed as a pariah damages that brand. The NRA has definitely reached pariah stage.

The NRA could have jumped into meaningful discussions to legislate solutions to this current crisis but being paid by the gun manufacturers they found it much more profitable to continue to stir the pot with gun conspiracies around every corner and buying every politician to vote against meaningful laws.

The NRA is most certainly a huge part of this problem.