• There were many reasons for the change of the site software, the biggest was security. The age of the old software also meant no server updates for certain programs. There are many benefits to the new software, one of the biggest is the mobile functionality. Ill fix up some stuff in the coming days, we'll also try to get some of the old addons back or the data imported back into the site like the garage. To create a thread or to reply with a post is basically the same as it was in the prior software. The default style of the site is light colored, but i temporarily added a darker colored style, to change you can find a link at the bottom of the site.

ar-15

Status
Not open for further replies.
Machinegunner said:
Most killings are done by deranged people. I never heard of one rifle or pistol that fired by it self. It's NOT THE GUN.
Click to expand...

I'm not arguing with you at all, because you're obviously correct. For interesting reading, though, you might want to google the death of the wife of Randy Meisner, the original bass player for the Eagles. The gun that killed his wife supposedly went off **all by itself** while she was moving it -- inside a box. Believe that explanation or not, the police did accept it and Meisner is a free man today.
 
2dogs said:
Yea, it's like the young family guy who owns a mini van for obvious reasons, but yearns for the day when he can own a hell cat. And by the way, there are already those out there who think hell cats should be illegal to own.
Click to expand...

Not going to be "political" here (had one of my posts taken down already), But once it starts, it ain't going to stop. Mac:doorag:
 
I just heard on the radio today that FBI report for 2016 stated 374 people were killed with rifles and 1700 were killed with knives. Nobody cares about knives or cars or drugs. Schools are already gun free zones. How is that working?
 
Lew L said:
On a side note:

I think it was msnbc that said the AR-15 is an assault rifle ( it isn't) because the AR stands for Assault Rifle -------- It does NOT.

Armalite Research ( spelling?) is the name of the company ( and designer --Casey Stoner) Shows how stupid and non-journalistic some of the talking heads are. They also call it a high-power rifle. Well barely- A 30-06, a .308, even a 30-30 ( and many other larger caliber) are high powered rifles. The original stoner design was a .308 caliber, but the military wanted a higher ammo capacity.

Please--- let the flaming begin::shocked:

Lew L
Click to expand...

You are correct that the "AR" doesn't stand for "Assault Rifle." You are wrong that the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.

Washington Post: "“AR” doesn’t stand for assault rifle. It stands for the Armalite rifle, named after the company that developed the weapon. It was first used during the Vietnam War as an alternative to the M-14 rifle, which was heavy, difficult to control and outmatched by the AK-47." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tions-about-the-ar-15/?utm_term=.6135fa87f343

Also from the Washington Post: "In the United States, the weapon traces its origins to a contract the Pentagon gave in 1957 to *Armalite." https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...55346f6de81_story.html?utm_term=.9a208100a7fa

Wikipedia: "The ArmaLite AR-15 is a select-fire, 5.56x45mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed assault rifle, with a rotating bolt and straight-line recoil design. ... The AR-15 was designed above all else to be a lightweight assault rifle, and to tire a new lightweight, high-velocity small caliber cartridge to allow the infantrymen to carry more ammunition." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15

Once Colt bought out ArmaLite, "Colt would go on to market the Colt ArmaLite AR-15 rifle to military services around the world."

It's common knowledge that the semi-automatic AR-15 was subsequently modified into the familiar M-16 full-automatic or burst-fire assault rifle. It's also common knowledge that an AR-15 can be modified to be full automatic with the right parts.

Under the circumstances, I think MSNBC's error in identifying what "AR" means is a lot less important than the error in claiming the AR-15 is not an assault rifle when in reality it was created, marketed and actually sold to the military as an assault rifle from Day One.

I am not against AR-15s or guns in general but for pete's sake, let's at least be honest about them.
 
Machinegunner said:
I just heard on the radio today that FBI report for 2016 stated 374 people were killed with rifles and 1700 were killed with knives. Nobody cares about knives or cars or drugs. Schools are already gun free zones. How is that working?
Click to expand...
You hear a lot of things on the radio these days. How about finding a reliable original source for that statistic instead of some anonymous talking head?
 
There are major differences between the military and civilian version of this gun. Modifying the civilian version to fire in other than a semi automatic mode is already against the law.

If we're going there what about fertilizer and the illegal product that is used for.
 
Machinegunner said:
It is just a rifle, just like any other semi-automatic rifle. It is used for hunting, target shooting, and competitive shooting. It doesn't have a mind of its own. Probably the most popular rifle in the US.
Click to expand...

not being a gun guy i always thought a semi automatic rifle was made for killing people. what kind of animals would you hunt with that rifle?
 
UtahPete said:
You hear a lot of things on the radio these days. How about finding a reliable original source for that statistic instead of some anonymous talking head?
Click to expand...

Didn't he use an FBI report mentioned on the radio ?
 
Last edited:
Saluda said:
There are major differences between the military and civilian version of this gun. Modifying the civilian version to fire in other than a semi automatic mode is already against the law. If we're going there what about fertilizer and the illegal product that is used for.
Click to expand...
Michael McVeigh needed a U-Haul truck to carry and hide that weapon.
 
Can't agree with you or your statement. The number of deaths that those 2 items represent dwarf gun deaths (although I am not minimizing any death).

Why no big ruckus for reform or change there (alcohol, cigarettes still going pretty strong, vehicle safety, and diet in this country and obesity) ?
They contribute to the biggest killers in this country. They are also relatively easy areas to get change from. They are just not politically attractive.
 
johnsimion said:
You are correct that the "AR" doesn't stand for "Assault Rifle." You are wrong that the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.

Washington Post: "“AR” doesn’t stand for assault rifle. It stands for the Armalite rifle, named after the company that developed the weapon. It was first used during the Vietnam War as an alternative to the M-14 rifle, which was heavy, difficult to control and outmatched by the AK-47." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tions-about-the-ar-15/?utm_term=.6135fa87f343

Also from the Washington Post: "In the United States, the weapon traces its origins to a contract the Pentagon gave in 1957 to *Armalite." https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...55346f6de81_story.html?utm_term=.9a208100a7fa

Wikipedia: "The ArmaLite AR-15 is a select-fire, 5.56x45mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed assault rifle, with a rotating bolt and straight-line recoil design. ... The AR-15 was designed above all else to be a lightweight assault rifle, and to tire a new lightweight, high-velocity small caliber cartridge to allow the infantrymen to carry more ammunition." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15

Once Colt bought out ArmaLite, "Colt would go on to market the Colt ArmaLite AR-15 rifle to military services around the world."

It's common knowledge that the semi-automatic AR-15 was subsequently modified into the familiar M-16 full-automatic or burst-fire assault rifle. It's also common knowledge that an AR-15 can be modified to be full automatic with the right parts.

Under the circumstances, I think MSNBC's error in identifying what "AR" means is a lot less important than the error in claiming the AR-15 is not an assault rifle when in reality it was created, marketed and actually sold to the military as an assault rifle from Day One.

I am not against AR-15s or guns in general but for pete's sake, let's at least be honest about them.
Click to expand...

When Eugene Stoner first designed the AR, it was a 7.62mm, "select fire"(semi and full auto) rifle 1953 or 55?? When the military adopted it, it was called the M-16. And the caliber was reduced to 5.56mm, so the army/marines could "hump" the rifle and twice as much ammo at the same weight to accomplish the same mission. Just my 2c worth. Mac:doorag:
 
Mad Mac said:
When Eugene Stoner first designed the AR, it was a 7.62mm, "select fire"(semi and full auto) rifle 1953 or 55?? When the military adopted it, it was called the M-16. And the caliber was reduced to 5.56mm, so the army/marines could "hump" the rifle and twice as much ammo at the same weight to accomplish the same mission. Just my 2c worth. Mac:doorag:
Click to expand...
I didn't know the history of the evolution of what I knew of as the M-16 in Vietnam. Interesting choice by the military, considering the enemy was using the far more lethal and reliable AK-47 at the time.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

C
Cptnrydr - Road Trip 2009 - part 4
Replies
1
Views
1K
captainryder
C
Back
Top