Welcome to "New California"!

[Bob Denman]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/


Is there any truth to this? :dontknow:

 

[ARtraveler]

Interesting. First I heard of it.

Looks like the same area where they are saying the "big one" will separate the state and send it out to sea.

Fish, fish, they just may get their wish. :roflblack:

 

[BoilerAnimal]

If successful, it would probably lead to the formation of one of the poorest states in the nation.

 

[DJFaninTN]

San Franciso has an interactive map of where all the poop is located on the sidewalks and streets. That is more than enough info for me to know I won't ever return to that city.

 

[BajaRon]

San Franciso has an interactive map of where all the poop is located on the sidewalks and streets. That is more than enough info for me to know I won't ever return to that city.

Interactive? That sounds unhealthy!

 

[Cavman]

There’s been Northern CA and Southern OR that has wanted to break away as the State of Jefferson for some time now.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

if ca. wants to be liberal then let it happen, the worst that happens is they find out they are wrong & then have
to pay for it.

 

[Joe T.]

These people have no clue. If one added Santa Clara and Sonoma counties to the 'Yellow" (old California?), there would be no tax base left. Like Kansas, California does not properly tax agriculture land. "New California" wouldn't make it 5 years before the property taxing went through the roof and they would beg to return. Bad pipe dream.

BTW, I lived in Los Angeles County for over 23 years. Still own property (house in Santa Clarita) there and acreage in Riverside County. Best damn place I ever lived. Most exciting place to work, true visionaries. Not afraid to take risks. Why do you think all of the High Tech companies are in California?

- Amgen
- Google
- Facebook
- Tesla
- Space X
- Scaled Composites
- The Space Ship Company
- Northrop
- Lockheed Martin (Skunk Works)
- Boeing Divisions of the Old North American and McDonnell Douglas
- Hollywood Productions
- Disney

So many more but I am an Aero guy and I don't have all of the other leading edge companies at the tip of my tongue.

Joe T.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Just another in a list of "New California's". The last one that fizzled out was the State of Jefferson. That would have incorporated Southern Oregon and Northern California. As mentioned, all of the Money in this scenario would be in California and New California would be scrambling to pay the rent. It is a huge state and the communities are really diverse in terms of their needs. I doubt it would ever happen. We have a lot of crazy people with a lot of crazier ideas.

 

[Chupaca]

Old stuff....

They've been toying with it for years... like Puerto Rico becoming a state or Canada dividing...:dontknow: why not three states...Northern California, New California and Southern California.... we do have an exit strategy walk over into Mexico :roflblack::roflblack:

 

[RinconRyder]

I moved to CA with my family at age 15 back in 1960 and remember they were talking about it back then.

The biggest issue back then was water (and still might be). The north has it. The south wants it.

Now it seems to be politics. The yellow area in the map published on the internet is decidedly urban and liberal while the blue area is largely rural and conservative. If CA were to divide along those lines the conservative area would be almost totally agricultural while the liberal area would have all the industry save AG. I fail to see how the current standard of living in the rural areas could be maintained without the gigantic tax base from the liberal area. Of course, the conservative area could legalize pot (they already grow most of it) and see it to the liberals and thereby create a whole new tax base.

Personally, after living in both areas over the years my opinion is that if they ever did divide up like that there would be a flaming civil war within five years.

 

[johnsimion]

Here you have a numerically small group trying to run away from policies they don't have the votes to change. I totally get the frustration, but that's how democracy works. For some reason, the "liberal" parts of California just seem to like they way they live and keep voting "liberal." Dunno why, I guess they just like it. As long as there are more of them than there are "conservatives" in the yellow parts, nothing is going to change. Too bad. However, there are solutions. If you don't like things where you live, get enough votes together to elect some lawmakers who will change things the way you like. If you can't get the votes, you either live with things the way they are or you can move somewhere that doesn't have all these regulations and welfare. Somalia, perhaps?

 

[Little Blue]

CA

Makes for interesting READ. I think that I will PASS on this. :chat:

 

[Bob Denman]

Hey Gene!
I see that they've got you on OUR side of the Border! :thumbup:

 

[jcthorne]

These people have no clue. If one added Santa Clara and Sonoma counties to the 'Yellow" (old California?), there would be no tax base left. Like Kansas, California does not properly tax agriculture land. "New California" wouldn't make it 5 years before the property taxing went through the roof and they would beg to return. Bad pipe dream.

BTW, I lived in Los Angeles County for over 23 years. Still own property (house in Santa Clarita) there and acreage in Riverside County. Best damn place I ever lived. Most exciting place to work, true visionaries. Not afraid to take risks. Why do you think all of the High Tech companies are in California?

- Amgen
- Google
- Facebook
- Tesla
- Space X
- Scaled Composites
- The Space Ship Company
- Northrop
- Lockheed Martin (Skunk Works)
- Boeing Divisions of the Old North American and McDonnell Douglas
- Hollywood Productions
- Disney

So many more but I am an Aero guy and I don't have all of the other leading edge companies at the tip of my tongue.

Joe T.

ALL, are not. Dell and many more have taken residence in Texas as CA's tax and political climate has become unsustainable for business.

 

[Lew L]

Dividing the state up is the stupidest idea ever ( other than the train from No to So. Cal) and electing moonbeam TWICE. I dont think it will happen.

I left Cal. going on 26 years ago because I saw the light at the end of the tunnel --------- it was a train.

Lew L

 

[asp125]

So.. which California will have legal pot?





What.. too soon?

 

[RinconRyder]

I left Cal. going on 26 years ago because I saw the light at the end of the tunnel --------- it was a train.

Lew L

Me in 1968. Too expensive but mostly way too crowded.

 

[Bob Denman]

So.. which California will have legal pot?
What.. too soon?

The NEW one will have all of that farmland...

 

[johnsimion]

Another problem with splitting up California, or splitting off any other section of the U.S., is that nothing is insular. AFAIK the "reddest" red state is Oklahoma, but even there it's still 39% Democratic, and Hawaii is the "bluest" blue state and it's 30% Republican. Haven't heard the percentages of R vs. D in the "New California" but it's safe to say that neither part is anywhere near pure. So ... what happens to the minority group in states that break off or break apart? Seems to me that somebody's always going to be in the minority no matter what. I think the whole idea of secession is a stupid idea that I thought we'd gotten over with in 1865. It would be a lot better idea if we just learned to stop calling names and getting angry just because somebody won an election or we don't like somebody's policy. We'd all be a lot better off if we'd just concentrate on getting along and compromising -- and on winning more representatives for "our" side if we can't. That system worked well from 1865 onward and there's no reason it can't work now.