Flag and National Anthem protests

[pitzerwm]

I might be totally lost here, but I missed the part that determined that kneeling was a disrespect for the flag/anthem. Talking and or screwing around during the Anthem is what I call disrespect. I could buy that they were kneeling for the fallen veterans. BUT if they meant it to be disrespectful, then my next thought is why are we getting upset when IMO it might take 3 of them to get an IQ of a rock. We get to vote with our feet and not attend the games, and the dude writing the checks could stop writing them. Not much difference with all of the *******s that threaten to leave the country if so n so is elected, sadly, they never do.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[wyliec]

BoilerAnimal

I agree with everything you said; but, you may have touched a nerve or two for those that adore the CIC :roflblack:, and they will be letting Lamont know. Rest assured, I am not one of them.

 

[JerryB]

Hi BoilerAnimal,

Re: I had hoped this thread had . . . . . who do you think is patriotic?

^^^^^ Perfect. I agree completely.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[WilderThomas]

The Flag and The Anthem

But do you put down your beer and nachos and stand at attention when they play it on TV at home?

You're free pretty much to do what you want at home, that's not a public venue. Protest and demonstrate all you want. At least I've not paid to watch a homeowner demonstrate or protest.

 

[UtahPete]

You're free pretty much to do what you want at home, that's not a public venue. Protest and demonstrate all you want. At least I've not paid to watch a homeowner demonstrate or protest.

You are paying for entertainment, like it or not. It stopped being 'sports' a long time ago.

 

[Dudley]

I have never heard or seen that the flag represents a negative to someone who believes in the country.
Yes, we have a past which includes events we should not be proud of-but events we have learned from.

The "negatives" listed by the OP seem more to be his personal issues with our society.
I find connecting them to what our flag represents to be offensive and disgusting.
On this issue I cannot see both sides being right.
You love this country warts and all. You work to repair what might be broken.
You do not desecrate the flag in the process of making your position known.
I have no respect for those who perform their theatrics at the expense of honoring the flag.

Were the kneelers sincere about what they purport to believe in, they would be active in making the changes they say are needed rather than merely posing for the media.

A final comment, this is a forum about Spyders.
Is this type of topic really good for all of us?
After reading some posts in this thread and others, I find I no longer want to hear what some members have to say about anything.

Lamont has or at one time had a "NO POLITICS" rule on Spyder Lovers. This site of for the discussion of SPYDERS and Spyder related conversations. You want to lower this site's quality, post politics!

 

[UtahPete]

Lamont has or at one time had a "NO POLITICS" rule on Spyder Lovers. This site of for the discussion of SPYDERS and Spyder related conversations. You want to lower this site's quality, post politics!

It's a touchy subject but it isn't necessarily political.

Merriam-Webster defines it thus; 1 :the activities, actions, and policies that are used to gain and hold power in a government or to influence a government. 2 :a person's opinions about the management of government.

I don't see anything in the thread having to do with one group trying to gain power over government or expressing a strong opinion about government.

Do you?

 

[Firefly]

I had hoped this thread had finally died, but it's like a cat and seems to have at least four or five lives left.

Agree 100%... but we're in the minority out here on SL... so this will probably get yanked. Right leaning things are much more tolerated.....:sour:

 

[Firefly]

Lamont has or at one time had a "NO POLITICS" rule on Spyder Lovers. This site of for the discussion of SPYDERS and Spyder related conversations. You want to lower this site's quality, post politics!

:agree:

Hope you're doing well Dudley.....

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Lamont has or at one time had a "NO POLITICS" rule on Spyder Lovers. This site of for the discussion of SPYDERS and Spyder related conversations. You want to lower this site's quality, post politics!

i agree, no more posting who died, no more posting about mass shootings, no more posting about someones hip surgery. oh no more
posting about what gun you bought or such stuff. this site is for spyders & bike related things only i don't want to know about hurricanes,
tornadoes or floods either i will start watching the news for that.

 

[Bob Denman]

Did anyone else have their television stations NOT televise the playing of The National Anthem?
I thought that I didn't see it on Thursday: it was definitely missing yesterday.
Do you think that decision was made so the folks wouldn't change the channel, if they saw the players take a knee?
Or was it done to take the voice away from the protest? :dontknow:

 

[LA2015FS]

I am from Canada. Totally think its disrespectful to kneel or sit during the National Anthem. Not a time to protest anything. I attended a NHL game last week and during both the American and Canadian Anthem - everyone I saw stood proud and tall. If that ever changes I won't be going to a game.

 

[UtahPete]

Did anyone else have their television stations NOT televise the playing of The National Anthem? I thought that I didn't see it on Thursday: it was definitely missing yesterday. Do you think that decision was made so the folks wouldn't change the channel, if they saw the players take a knee? Or was it done to take the voice away from the protest? :dontknow:

I think it was calculated to defuse the situation. It's a business; they will do what is necessary to maximize revenue and profits.

 

[wyliec]

i agree, no more posting who died, no more posting about mass shootings, no more posting about someones hip surgery. oh no more
posting about what gun you bought or such stuff. this site is for spyders & bike related things only i don't want to know about hurricanes,
tornadoes or floods either i will start watching the news for that.

That's why Lamont created the OFF TOPIC BOARD. It's where all topics not spyder related are to go. I do agree that all those topics you mentioned should not be on any of the actual Spyder forums here on spyderlovers.

Actually the OFF TOPIC BOARD was created for a previous member called $tuntman because of all his off topic posts. His screen name actually begins with an 's', but you cannot use an 's'; I think it had something to do with $tuntman's complaint that all his posts were to be removed.

Here it is in Lamont's own words:
New Off Topic Board- Read before posting here!

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

That's why Lamont created the OFF TOPIC BOARD. It's where all topics not spyder related are to go. I do agree that all those topics you mentioned should not be on any of the actual Spyder forums here on spyderlovers.

Actually the OFF TOPIC BOARD was created for a previous member called $tuntman because of all his off topic posts. His screen name actually begins with an 's', but you cannot use an 's'; I think it had something to do with $tuntman's complaint that all his posts were to be removed.

Here it is in Lamont's own words:
New Off Topic Board- Read before posting here!

i agree, now no more complaining about off topic posts in the off topic posting area, just don't click.

 

[Lew L]

"follow the money"

I've followed this thread for 95 posts and finally decided to do something other than just opine here.


I'm contacting sponsors of NFL broadcasts to let them know that MILLIONS of us are not viewing their commercials because of the actions of players and some coaches ( and the lack of action by the NFL) .

"follow the money" .....If many thousands of Americans contact the sponsors of football and let them know that the commercial budget is not producing something may change for the better.

The protestors can protest ( as is their right) off the field and we will happily watch the commercials ( and my teams loose).



Flame away---------------

 

[UtahPete]

I've followed this thread for 95 posts and finally decided to do something other than just opine here. I'm contacting sponsors of NFL broadcasts to let them know that MILLIONS of us are not viewing their commercials because of the actions of players and some coaches ( and the lack of action by the NFL) . "follow the money" .....If many thousands of Americans contact the sponsors of football and let them know that the commercial budget is not producing something may change for the better. The protestors can protest ( as is their right) off the field and we will happily watch the commercials ( and my teams loose). Flame away---------------

No flaming here. Makes total sense.

 

[Lew L]

Thanks

No flaming here. Makes total sense.

Thanks Petenojoke
Lew

 

[Firefly]

Did anyone else have their television stations NOT televise the playing of The National Anthem?
I thought that I didn't see it on Thursday: it was definitely missing yesterday.
Do you think that decision was made so the folks wouldn't change the channel, if they saw the players take a knee?
Or was it done to take the voice away from the protest? :dontknow:

I don't have a TV in my house... nor would I watch football on it if I did. Momma always said fooseball is the devil...

This entire thing is stupid. Never understood why the anthem is played before stupid events where grown men get paid millions to play children's games anyway. As if it's somehow respectful to play it to a whole group of fans, most of them drinking beer and eating nachos. If anything, playing it this often and at such idiotic events takes away from it being a respected and dignified thing.

 

[UtahPete]

I don't have a TV in my house... nor would I watch football on it if I did. Momma always said fooseball is the devil...This entire thing is stupid. Never understood why the anthem is played before stupid events where grown men get paid millions to play children's games anyway. As if it's somehow respectful to play it to a whole group of fans, most of them drinking beer and eating nachos. If anything, playing it this often and at such idiotic events takes away from it being a respected and dignified thing.

It only makes sense when viewed as big business entertainment. The entertainers give fans what they want. Just don't call it patriotic to go to see a show where they play (or sing usually) the national anthem.