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another fried spyder!!!!!!!!!!!
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I sent the below email to BRP.
----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kasubaski
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: Spyder Fires
Hello,
I have been reading about Spyders catching on fire. I was just wondering what BRP is doing to address this major issue! I keep thinking someday my Spyder will burn up in a fire!
Your prompt response is appreciated. It would be nice if you would address this question on your website as a Question of the week.
Sincerely,
Jeff Kasubaski
----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kasubaski
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: Spyder Fires
Hello,
I have been reading about Spyders catching on fire. I was just wondering what BRP is doing to address this major issue! I keep thinking someday my Spyder will burn up in a fire!
Your prompt response is appreciated. It would be nice if you would address this question on your website as a Question of the week.
Sincerely,
Jeff Kasubaski
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orangespydiegirl
Guest
The steering recall was done because of problems with some of the spyders out there, as for the fires no one has posted if they've found out the cause, the last two are most likely still under investigation. Hopefully soon we'll get some answers before someone is hurt.
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orangespydiegirl
Guest
Thanks!!!!!! We should all do this, in fact I'm doing it NOW.
spyder fire
just had my steering recall done today. after that i ran about 40 mi with
94 degrees outside temp. no problems. at a couple of stops i had 5 bars
on the heat guage, i reached down and the fan was running as posted by
other riders this is normal. it was either here or on spyder talk one owner
said that he checked inlet fuel hose going to the engine and found a slight cut in the hose from rubbing on the engine. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL CHECK OR HAVE CHECKED ALL THE FUEL LINES. also my spyder is #2572 and the only recall i had was the steering.
just had my steering recall done today. after that i ran about 40 mi with
94 degrees outside temp. no problems. at a couple of stops i had 5 bars
on the heat guage, i reached down and the fan was running as posted by
other riders this is normal. it was either here or on spyder talk one owner
said that he checked inlet fuel hose going to the engine and found a slight cut in the hose from rubbing on the engine. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL CHECK OR HAVE CHECKED ALL THE FUEL LINES. also my spyder is #2572 and the only recall i had was the steering.
Firefly
Active member
This would be an insurance issue- not BRP's - so they were covered by the owners insurance. If there was proof of it being a design defect - the Insurance company *might* be able to go after BRP for the $$$ - but doubtful that would happen.
I emailed BRP about these fires - along with photos of 4 of the burnt Spyders. Heard nothing back - which didn't surprise me. Their legal team isn't going to let anyone confirm anything about these fires.
Only one owner has reported his fire to the NHTSA.
It only took 8 of us to file official reports with the NHTSA about the steering to get some action. BRP had 14 or so 'official' complaints made directly to them - including 2 injuries. BRP didn't make a move on the recall and fix until the NHTSA made them do it. They may have been addressing the problem behind the scenes and doing some repairs (GPS sensor) - but those were not official recalls pertaining to the steering.
They had a similar issue with Snowmobiles a few years ago - and the recall involved---- gas line rubbing on the engine head - which is what I found on my Spyder.
The ONLY way this will be addressed and taken care of is for the owners of burnt Spyders to file reports with the http://www.nhtsa.gov/.
Here is the Canadian department: https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDPP/fc-cp.aspx?lang=eng
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
I sent them an email too asking the same question - what is up with spyders catching on fire. Told them it would be good to post it in the Question of the Week because many inquiring minds wanna know.
Doubt they will respond.
Doubt they will respond.
Motza
New member
I can't ride in peace thinking about my Spyder catching fire...I'm not Nicholas Cage
Well everytime I come back from a ride now I'll never just pull into the garage. I let the bike sit for about 15 minutes before bringing it in...sucks to have this lingering in the back of your mind.
Soon we'll see a new spyder icon that we can click on...a Spyder on fire or a smolding Spyder nojoke
KFS...Kentucy Fried Spyder, is not what Colonel ordered!
Well everytime I come back from a ride now I'll never just pull into the garage. I let the bike sit for about 15 minutes before bringing it in...sucks to have this lingering in the back of your mind.
Soon we'll see a new spyder icon that we can click on...a Spyder on fire or a smolding Spyder nojoke
KFS...Kentucy Fried Spyder, is not what Colonel ordered!
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Motza
New member
:shemademe_smilie: :roflblack: Halon System
Dudley
New member
My simple mind has never figured out why dealers always have to contact BRP about anything concerning a Spyder! Dang! Take the plastics off and LOOK! Somewhere in there one should be able to see where the fire was burning! Your mishap is the perfect one to see where the fire may have started because you put it out AT THE DEALERS! BRP sure can't find it through a phone call. Are some dealers too stupid to do anything on their own, or does BRP have their hands tied? What your dealer told you sees to be the customary response most dealers give their customers. Not good! I hope for you that everything gets cleared up quickly to your satisfaction.
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
I pull into the garage and leave it...don't worry about it...
I always do a walk-around after a ride anyway...
As far as the fires go, I will play devil's advocate here and state that it's not likely one issue that is causing these problems.
It's more likely a myriad of problems...each one could conceivably be unique to each bike...
In this case, who knows what the dealer did that could've sparked a fire....
Although some here have ideas of what is causing the fires, nobody knows for sure yet.
We're all on the same page with getting BRP involved and going to the NHTSA...we all have the same bike and the same issues...let's hope some investigations are done to figure out what the cause(s) are...
Until then, I don't think there is much any of us can do...just like with the steering recall, we can't do anything until the true problem is discovered...
I always do a walk-around after a ride anyway...
As far as the fires go, I will play devil's advocate here and state that it's not likely one issue that is causing these problems.
It's more likely a myriad of problems...each one could conceivably be unique to each bike...
In this case, who knows what the dealer did that could've sparked a fire....
Although some here have ideas of what is causing the fires, nobody knows for sure yet.
We're all on the same page with getting BRP involved and going to the NHTSA...we all have the same bike and the same issues...let's hope some investigations are done to figure out what the cause(s) are...
Until then, I don't think there is much any of us can do...just like with the steering recall, we can't do anything until the true problem is discovered...
krb1945
New member
The cause of the fires is...
Now I am not trying to be cute or funny here... but the cause of these fires is excessive heat in the engine compartment. The source naturally is the engine itself and the main villains radiating the heat are the exhaust pipes in that small enclosed space. It doesn't really matter whether the fire is caused by melting insulation on a wire causing shorts or melted fuel and oil lines. The root causes are still the exhaust manifolds and hoses/wiring rubbing on or to too close to the hot stuff. The initial fuel sources are hoses and wiring insulation then when there is enough heat the the fuel source is gas and oil.
To resolve most of this problem you must
1. get the wires and hoses away from the extreme heat sources which are the heads, cylinders and exhaust manifolds... (see this thread) http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13060
2. increase air flow through the engine compartment... just a suggestion but several of us have removed the under body splash panels. Check out Lamonsters information on this one (see this thread)
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9781&highlight=bottom+splash+panels
3. keep the exhaust heat where it is supposed to be... "in the exhaust pipes"... by insulating the headers in the engine compartment. this heat is supposed to go out the back end of the pipe not through the walls of the pipe. (There are several threads on this subject... just do a search on wrapping exhaust pipe or exhaust wrap)
I know there are a couple of other points probably but my concern is the needless burning up of these works of engineering when it can be prevented by insulating and moving wires and hoses away from or off of extreme heat sources.
Now I am not trying to be cute or funny here... but the cause of these fires is excessive heat in the engine compartment. The source naturally is the engine itself and the main villains radiating the heat are the exhaust pipes in that small enclosed space. It doesn't really matter whether the fire is caused by melting insulation on a wire causing shorts or melted fuel and oil lines. The root causes are still the exhaust manifolds and hoses/wiring rubbing on or to too close to the hot stuff. The initial fuel sources are hoses and wiring insulation then when there is enough heat the the fuel source is gas and oil.
To resolve most of this problem you must
1. get the wires and hoses away from the extreme heat sources which are the heads, cylinders and exhaust manifolds... (see this thread) http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13060
2. increase air flow through the engine compartment... just a suggestion but several of us have removed the under body splash panels. Check out Lamonsters information on this one (see this thread)
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9781&highlight=bottom+splash+panels
3. keep the exhaust heat where it is supposed to be... "in the exhaust pipes"... by insulating the headers in the engine compartment. this heat is supposed to go out the back end of the pipe not through the walls of the pipe. (There are several threads on this subject... just do a search on wrapping exhaust pipe or exhaust wrap)
I know there are a couple of other points probably but my concern is the needless burning up of these works of engineering when it can be prevented by insulating and moving wires and hoses away from or off of extreme heat sources.
I don't think we should have to do any of these things.
The bike should work right straight out of the box. I know from my experience that dealers and insurance companies will look for any reason to dispute a claim. And unauthorized mods are right on the top of their list.
I'm just saying to think twice before you do any mods under that plastic.
I will be taking some extra precautions, but if my Spyder goes up in flames I don't want to be fighting with anyone to get paid out.
:chat:
krb1945
New member
What if...
your spyder goes up in flames and the insurance company denies your claim because you didn't take the time to put a heat shield or get the electrical wire or fuel line off the exhaust. Because you can bet you last nickle that the insurance companies read these forums too. And by reading them they know what we suspect is the cause and if "We The People" don't take action to correct a dangerous situation then the responsibility lies with us. Just because BRP hasn't come out and said to bring it to the dealer for correction of a safety issue with a machine they sold to the public doesn't mean we should not take the action to do so.
They should not have to do safety of flight problems on aircraft but they are correcting safety of flight issues for the entire life of the airplane. Look at the B-52 for example... it has been around for 50 years and they still have to correct safety problems. And you can bet if the AF sees a problem it gets reported to the manufacturer and the AF grounds the plane or does a rapid interim fix until the manufacturer engineers a permanent fix.
In other words ... "if you saw a 2 year old playing in the middle of a busy street" I'd bet my last Lincoln penny that you would get out there and stop traffic and get the child out of harms way. Now in saying this... the CanAm Sypder has on been available to the general public for two years, therefore, it is that same two year old playing on the street. If it has a possible safety issue you either take it to the dealer or correct it yourself.
It is a common sense safety problem... am I right or am I wrong?:chat:
your spyder goes up in flames and the insurance company denies your claim because you didn't take the time to put a heat shield or get the electrical wire or fuel line off the exhaust. Because you can bet you last nickle that the insurance companies read these forums too. And by reading them they know what we suspect is the cause and if "We The People" don't take action to correct a dangerous situation then the responsibility lies with us. Just because BRP hasn't come out and said to bring it to the dealer for correction of a safety issue with a machine they sold to the public doesn't mean we should not take the action to do so.
They should not have to do safety of flight problems on aircraft but they are correcting safety of flight issues for the entire life of the airplane. Look at the B-52 for example... it has been around for 50 years and they still have to correct safety problems. And you can bet if the AF sees a problem it gets reported to the manufacturer and the AF grounds the plane or does a rapid interim fix until the manufacturer engineers a permanent fix.
In other words ... "if you saw a 2 year old playing in the middle of a busy street" I'd bet my last Lincoln penny that you would get out there and stop traffic and get the child out of harms way. Now in saying this... the CanAm Sypder has on been available to the general public for two years, therefore, it is that same two year old playing on the street. If it has a possible safety issue you either take it to the dealer or correct it yourself.
It is a common sense safety problem... am I right or am I wrong?:chat:
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wyliec
New member
Wrong.
What about all those spyder owners who never frequent a forum? They may never hear of the problem. And, those same spyder owners take their spyder in for all the required maintenance. You think what you said here applies? Do you really think that if someone doesn't install a heat shield that the insurance company is going to deny a claim? The answer is only 'yes', if you've been notified that brp has offered a fix.
BumbleBee
RT-S PE#0174
:gaah:So sorry to hear about your spyder. I do not pull into my garage anymore, I leave it in the driveway for about an 1/2 hour. I do a walk around, and check it every few minutes. This is getting out of hand, and is very scarry. BRP website is awful. I sure hope BRP is on top of this.
Don't panic BumbleBee, Its not like Spyders are going up in flames all over the place.
I think there has been 6 out of around 10,000. Thats still 6 to many I know :yikes:
Its probably a good idea to stop in a safe place for a few minuets before you put your bike in the shed.
But don't let it ruin the good times :doorag:
We do not want our Spyders to burst into flames and neither does BRP. They are not ignoring the problem as their engineers and lawyers are looking at design, assembly, tests, components, etc. They have had snowmobiles, PWCs, ATVs, boats and now Spyders burn and they know how to look for causes. It takes time to connect the dots. I do not want mine to burst into flames, I do not want my garage and house to burn and I do not want to be injured or die. The fire and steering issues are very serious matters, but, we all accept a higher level of risk of personal injury or death every time we get on the Spyder and the odds are greater that it will be a car, truck, deer or poor judgement that damages our Spyder or us. I am not making excuses for design flaws, but in buying a first year product, I need to accept the good and the bad of that experience. Easy for me to say since mine has not caught fire.
aubierules
New member
:agree:
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