Intitial thoughts on my first ride.....and why I went back to the dealer!

[Road-Kill]

Rev-Em

Nowhere in the operators manual can I find the RPM range for shifting. I was shifting at 2500-3000 as this was the shift point from previous V-twins (and advice from my dealer on my test ride). The Spyder is a "3" Twin yikes and although I know not what a "BUDS" system is I'll say you are correct. I was afraid of over revving the engine bud I'll now keep it planted just over 3000 RPMs. Thanks for the info.


BUDS is the operating system computer software that is used by BRP and its authorized dealers, Do what you feel is best for you but running at 3000 RPMs is lugging your Spyder and you will not get optimum performance out of it. ROTAX Engines love the REVs and will perform better at 4000 than at 3000, do not worry about over revving.

Cruzr Joe

I believe you. It sounds right and felt right so it must be right. I'll keep it closer to 4,000 RPMs. Thanks

 

[MisterP]

Nowhere in the operators manual can I find the RPM range for shifting. I was shifting at 2500-3000 as this was the shift point from previous V-twins (and advice from my dealer on my test ride). The Spyder is a "3" Twin yikes and although I know not what a "BUDS" system is I'll say you are correct. I was afraid of over revving the engine bud I'll now keep it planted just over 3000 RPMs. Thanks for the info.


BUDS is the operating system computer software that is used by BRP and its authorized dealers, Do what you feel is best for you but running at 3000 RPMs is lugging your Spyder and you will not get optimum performance out of it. ROTAX Engines love the REVs and will perform better at 4000 than at 3000, do not worry about over revving.

Cruzr Joe

will disagree with this somewhat. Rotax engines are not going to come apart at higher RPMs but there is no reason to operate the 3-cylinder engines in that range. These are lower rev and higher torque than the 998 engines and can be operated routinely in the 2500-3500 range. I flew Rotax engines in ultralight aircraft at 5000+ revs for years, but there's no reason to do this with the new engines.

 

[Air Wing Guy]

Wind buffeting

Check out our Hand Wings and Leg Wings we have for the F3. The Hand Wings work great to stop the buffeting on your upper body deflect the air away when unwanted direct it in when needed. These can be found on our website www.bakerbuiltairwings.com Absolutely no drilling on the F3 (F3T requires two holes drilled in the mirror housing) easy install and looks nice to. Only $79.95 and they come in Dark Tint, Light Tint, or Clear all in a nice scratch resistant plastic. You can email us if you have any questions [email protected] We hope you get to where you love your Spyder and can enjoy the ride.

 

[MelloYelloSpyder]

INITIAL IMPRESSION
I bought this new 2016 F3s Special a few weeks ago and other then riding it 45 miles home I have not ridden it since today because of snow/inclement weather. I put just over 150 miles on it today so this my opinion from being a newbie to both Spyders and trikes. I’m not new to motorcycles and these are just my thoughts and opinions.
My ride started out good and getting used to the controls was easy.The “eco” button telling the bike you read the safety card is not only a joke but just plain stupid. It is meaningless safety drivel a lawyer must have advised the engineers to add. With that said I’ll say no more about it. The “mode” switch and those extra up/down/left/right switches appear to do nothing.I need to play with it more but with all the info in the display I noticed there is no clock!
WINSHIELD
The windshield I added was a MADSTAD and it is bottom level ok at best. Tilting the windshield does nothing to keep head buffeting from happening. Raising the windshield causes too much airflow under the windshield and the narrowness of the screen forces air directly onto your hands and boy was it cold. I’ll check their customer service and maybe trade my screen for a larger one, I’ll post feedback later as they appear very customer friendly.
SIDE VIEW MIRRORS
I noticed the side mirrors are not very adjustable.I lose about 25-33% of my rear view as my Givi luggage and passenger grab handles block visibility. It is good in that you can see not only completely behind you but all the way to the other side of the road regardless which mirror you are looking at. I did need to turn my head VERY hard left/right to check for traffic. Mirrors that angle outward a bit more would be helpful.
YUP IT’S A TRIKE
The bike at highwayspeed tracks like it’s on rails! I did not need to keep adjusting my steering to eat miles.That was the good but the bad and not the bikes fault was that it is a trike.No more leaning and the bike feels where you want her to go. No more finding that sweet spot between potholes/debris nor are you availed an escape route as the bike is verywide.The very good is that I felt very stable and the independent suspension ate up the potholes.The SE6 made shifting a joke and my loweringof the brake pedal (see previous post) allowed easy access when breaking.
NOW FOR THE VERY BAD
When I was at highway speed I noticed EXTREME vibration beginning at 63MPH.This vibration was so TERRIBLE that I initially thought it was a mechanical problem, it is. The vibration was not consistent and would come and go, I just needed to achieve 63MPH and BAM ….random extreme vibration. Realizing from prior reading in this forum that Can Am was already on it I turned around and headed to my dealer. They ordered me the items necessary to fix it (hopefully) from Can-Am (without labor $35.). I feel it is in VERY poor taste to make a customer pay to fix an apparent mechanical design flaw on such an expensive machine.I’ll post my response to this issue when the part comes in and I test it on the highway.
MY FINALTHOUGHTS
Overall I cannot say I’m yet to be in love with this bike. It’s the first impressions thing coming back to haunt me.Maybe with the corrected windshield and the belt vibration dampener I would be posting better more positive initial thoughts. When these two issues are addressed I’ll post my response. Thanks for any comments and your time.

Hope it becomes the ride you want it to be and are looking for. Me personally I had my Spyder STS for two years and it never grew on me. I just bought a two wheel and the Spyder is up for sale. Either way I hope it is what you are looking for and stay safe.

 

[Nyparrothead]

You are sooooo right. The vibration is a design flaw and to make their customers pay to "fix" the problem is total BS. You need to be prepared to be attacked for daring to say that because a few here feel they have to deny there is a problem because if they don't it look like they bought a defective product... they will throw a dozen excuses as to why the F3 vibrates your fingers to sleep. They do the same thing when someone brings up the issue of the POS rear shock who's sprung weight is not enough to hold the weight of the bike...

lucky enough the bandaid of adding the tensioner work and spending another 500.00 of a real shock fixes the issue... sadly you have to pay for their mistakes

mark

 

[Road-Kill]

Hope it becomes the ride you want it to be and are looking for. Me personally I had my Spyder STS for two years and it never grew on me. I just bought a two wheel and the Spyder is up for sale. Either way I hope it is what you are looking for and stay safe.

Every bike I have owned had issues with it. Some were major mechanical issues, some were usefulness issues and many times I just needed to put some spice back into my ride so "out with the old and in with the new". I need a full year under my belt to give this bike a thumbs up/down vote. When the snow clears and the vibration gadget installed I'll post my honest opinion when the year is out. I can say I did not need a trike, my other bike being considered was the Honda VFR1200X DCT. I wanted to try something completely new so the Spyder it was. I did also test ride a 2017 Harley Freewheeler last November and it shifted like the tranny was broke, it clunked into gears. My buddy bought a different Harley trike that same day but I walked away....thankfully. In the future I'll add this bike to my "rides" and look back regardless and talk of the memories, good and bad. Life is a never ending cycle of experiences.

 

[Corsacreek]

The windshield I added was a MADSTAD and it is bottom level ok at best.

Mark's company is in Florida and his design fits mostly mild winters to hot summers. The F4 windshields are better for colder weather as they are taller and wider but pricey.

When I was at highway speed I noticed EXTREME vibration beginning at 63MPH.This vibration was so TERRIBLE that I initially thought it was a mechanical problem, it is.

It is inherent of a having such a long belt with a huge rear sprocket. I installed the BRP idler pulley and the vibrations did not go away at the higher speeds (75 to 80) they merely trickle down in sensation but you'll still feel them. Nothing can be do as far as eliminating the vibration as a whole.

 

[CA Railwhale]

vibration

Where have you seen negative comments about the vibration reducer? Any particular brand? I ordered my reducer from Can Am cause its their machine, they should know best.....I think. Feedback is appreciated cause if the Can Am fix fails I can look elseware. Thanks

The CanAM unit is very new, so there aren't many reviews about it. It's the cheapest option, it remains to be seen if it's durable. The vibration doesn't bother me since it occurs in a narrow rpm band so I've basically decided to ignore it for now.

 

[rudym]

Thanks for the impressions

INITIAL IMPRESSION
I bought this new 2016 F3s Special a few weeks ago and other then riding it 45 miles home I have not ridden it since today because of snow/inclement weather. I put just over 150 miles on it today so this my opinion from being a newbie to both Spyders and trikes. I’m not new to motorcycles and these are just my thoughts and opinions.
My ride started out good and getting used to the controls was easy.The “eco” button telling the bike you read the safety card is not only a joke but just plain stupid. It is meaningless safety drivel a lawyer must have advised the engineers to add. With that said I’ll say no more about it. The “mode” switch and those extra up/down/left/right switches appear to do nothing.I need to play with it more but with all the info in the display I noticed there is no clock!
WINSHIELD
The windshield I added was a MADSTAD and it is bottom level ok at best. Tilting the windshield does nothing to keep head buffeting from happening. Raising the windshield causes too much airflow under the windshield and the narrowness of the screen forces air directly onto your hands and boy was it cold. I’ll check their customer service and maybe trade my screen for a larger one, I’ll post feedback later as they appear very customer friendly.
SIDE VIEW MIRRORS
I noticed the side mirrors are not very adjustable.I lose about 25-33% of my rear view as my Givi luggage and passenger grab handles block visibility. It is good in that you can see not only completely behind you but all the way to the other side of the road regardless which mirror you are looking at. I did need to turn my head VERY hard left/right to check for traffic. Mirrors that angle outward a bit more would be helpful.
YUP IT’S A TRIKE
The bike at highwayspeed tracks like it’s on rails! I did not need to keep adjusting my steering to eat miles.That was the good but the bad and not the bikes fault was that it is a trike.No more leaning and the bike feels where you want her to go. No more finding that sweet spot between potholes/debris nor are you availed an escape route as the bike is verywide.The very good is that I felt very stable and the independent suspension ate up the potholes.The SE6 made shifting a joke and my loweringof the brake pedal (see previous post) allowed easy access when breaking.
NOW FOR THE VERY BAD
When I was at highway speed I noticed EXTREME vibration beginning at 63MPH.This vibration was so TERRIBLE that I initially thought it was a mechanical problem, it is. The vibration was not consistent and would come and go, I just needed to achieve 63MPH and BAM ….random extreme vibration. Realizing from prior reading in this forum that Can Am was already on it I turned around and headed to my dealer. They ordered me the items necessary to fix it (hopefully) from Can-Am (without labor $35.). I feel it is in VERY poor taste to make a customer pay to fix an apparent mechanical design flaw on such an expensive machine.I’ll post my response to this issue when the part comes in and I test it on the highway.
MY FINALTHOUGHTS
Overall I cannot say I’m yet to be in love with this bike. It’s the first impressions thing coming back to haunt me.Maybe with the corrected windshield and the belt vibration dampener I would be posting better more positive initial thoughts. When these two issues are addressed I’ll post my response. Thanks for any comments and your time.

I'm ready to throw the switch on my purchase but plan on test riding at Daytona Bike Week since my local dealer doesn't allow test drives:banghead:
so the 63mph vibration was specifically from the belt and is/was a known issue on all the F3's? I may require a idler installed b4 I buy.
How did you like the way it corners?
Centrifugal force bad on the F3?

 

[SuperDave_GPS]

I'm ready to throw the switch on my purchase but plan on test riding at Daytona Bike Week since my local dealer doesn't allow test drives:banghead:
so the 63mph vibration was specifically from the belt and is/was a known issue on all the F3's? I may require a idler installed b4 I buy.
How did you like the way it corners?
Centrifugal force bad on the F3?

The vibration is definitely there on the RT as well.
My dampening arm and adapter to fit on the RT is in the mail and en-route from Doc Humphreys.
I'll probably hop over the border to The States from here in Canada to pick it up this coming Friday after work.
Looking forward to warm weather.

 

[Road-Kill]

I'm ready to throw the switch on my purchase but plan on test riding at Daytona Bike Week since my local dealer doesn't allow test drives:banghead:
so the 63mph vibration was specifically from the belt and is/was a known issue on all the F3's? I may require a idler installed b4 I buy.
How did you like the way it corners?
Centrifugal force bad on the F3?

It cornered like it was on rails! Pretend you are in a stripped down sports convertable...no doors and floor....nothing....and that was the sensation I experienced. I did love the stability BUT it does not handle like a motorcycle because it is a trike, I knew that already from my test ride and this forum. I like it....but because of the windshield and vibration issues I'm not in love.......yet. One thing is for certain nobody hates the Spyder that I have met, at bike meets I made a beeline towards them and NEVER a bad comment, not even mechanical problems. They might keep a 2-wheeler in the garage for those "need to lean" days but the Spyder is a keeper. My initial thoughts were just that and not from a few thousand miles on it. I wrote that minutes after I arrived home so it was fresh in my mind.

 

[40Xshooter]

Keeper

It cornered like it was on rails! Pretend you are in a stripped down sports convertable...no doors and floor....nothing....and that was the sensation I experienced. I did love the stability BUT it does not handle like a motorcycle because it is a trike, I knew that already from my test ride and this forum. I like it....but because of the windshield and vibration issues I'm not in love.......yet. One thing is for certain nobody hates the Spyder that I have met, at bike meets I made a beeline towards them and NEVER a bad comment, not even mechanical problems. They might keep a 2-wheeler in the garage for those "need to lean" days but the Spyder is a keeper. My initial thoughts were just that and not from a few thousand miles on it. I wrote that minutes after I arrived home so it was fresh in my mind.

I'll "second" all your thoughts and comments! I've spent my life on 2 wheels (mostly HD and Indian). Wife wouldn't ride with me any more. Said I was "unsafe". (Imagine that!). Got the RT-S last summer, put 2000 miles on it and can't wait to get on it again! The vibration on mine starts around 63mpn and goes away around 67. I'll be ordering Doc Humphrey's set-up before the riding season starts. As far as wind - not an issue. It's a motorcycle. The only one I'm concerned with as far as wind goes is my wife. I can adjust it for her comfort.

Ride on.......

 

[jstarmark]

Response to identified issues

I agree with you 100% about the vibration and the windshield. I ordered the pulley and put it on myself. You can find the video posted by Lamonster. Once I installed the pulley the vibration completely disappeared. It was a welcome adjustment and makes the whole riding experience completely different. I also added an extension on my windshield, and that too improved my riding experience 100%. I hope you have the same successful experiences with your mods.

INITIAL IMPRESSION
I bought this new 2016 F3s Special a few weeks ago and other then riding it 45 miles home I have not ridden it since today because of snow/inclement weather. I put just over 150 miles on it today so this my opinion from being a newbie to both Spyders and trikes. I’m not new to motorcycles and these are just my thoughts and opinions.
My ride started out good and getting used to the controls was easy.The “eco” button telling the bike you read the safety card is not only a joke but just plain stupid. It is meaningless safety drivel a lawyer must have advised the engineers to add. With that said I’ll say no more about it. The “mode” switch and those extra up/down/left/right switches appear to do nothing.I need to play with it more but with all the info in the display I noticed there is no clock!
WINSHIELD
The windshield I added was a MADSTAD and it is bottom level ok at best. Tilting the windshield does nothing to keep head buffeting from happening. Raising the windshield causes too much airflow under the windshield and the narrowness of the screen forces air directly onto your hands and boy was it cold. I’ll check their customer service and maybe trade my screen for a larger one, I’ll post feedback later as they appear very customer friendly.
SIDE VIEW MIRRORS
I noticed the side mirrors are not very adjustable.I lose about 25-33% of my rear view as my Givi luggage and passenger grab handles block visibility. It is good in that you can see not only completely behind you but all the way to the other side of the road regardless which mirror you are looking at. I did need to turn my head VERY hard left/right to check for traffic. Mirrors that angle outward a bit more would be helpful.
YUP IT’S A TRIKE
The bike at highwayspeed tracks like it’s on rails! I did not need to keep adjusting my steering to eat miles.That was the good but the bad and not the bikes fault was that it is a trike.No more leaning and the bike feels where you want her to go. No more finding that sweet spot between potholes/debris nor are you availed an escape route as the bike is verywide.The very good is that I felt very stable and the independent suspension ate up the potholes.The SE6 made shifting a joke and my loweringof the brake pedal (see previous post) allowed easy access when breaking.
NOW FOR THE VERY BAD
When I was at highway speed I noticed EXTREME vibration beginning at 63MPH.This vibration was so TERRIBLE that I initially thought it was a mechanical problem, it is. The vibration was not consistent and would come and go, I just needed to achieve 63MPH and BAM ….random extreme vibration. Realizing from prior reading in this forum that Can Am was already on it I turned around and headed to my dealer. They ordered me the items necessary to fix it (hopefully) from Can-Am (without labor $35.). I feel it is in VERY poor taste to make a customer pay to fix an apparent mechanical design flaw on such an expensive machine.I’ll post my response to this issue when the part comes in and I test it on the highway.
MY FINALTHOUGHTS
Overall I cannot say I’m yet to be in love with this bike. It’s the first impressions thing coming back to haunt me.Maybe with the corrected windshield and the belt vibration dampener I would be posting better more positive initial thoughts. When these two issues are addressed I’ll post my response. Thanks for any comments and your time.

 

[Road-Kill]

I agree with you 100% about the vibration and the windshield. I ordered the pulley and put it on myself. You can find the video posted by Lamonster. Once I installed the pulley the vibration completely disappeared. It was a welcome adjustment and makes the whole riding experience completely different. I also added an extension on my windshield, and that too improved my riding experience 100%. I hope you have the same successful experiences with your mods.

I'm going to post my thoughts on all my "farkle" and the bike when I complete 10,000 miles. Currently I have less than 200 miles :yikes: on it as snow is blocking everything. 10,000 miles for me would be less then a years wait and I would be in better position to give an informed articulated opinion. Thanks.

 

[MrBones]

Strange to me this vibration thing. I feel none on my 2015 F3. Maybe its because I have been riding since 1945 on lots of 2 wheels. But at 84 this is the best bike for me. Lots of fun and not the complaints lots of people have for not really a good reason. I know most will not agree with me but I still have an my rights to a viewpoint. So have a good ride and complaint time..

 

[OJ UK]

I'm going to post my thoughts on all my "farkle" and the bike when I complete 10,000 miles. Currently I have less than 200 miles :yikes: on it as snow is blocking everything. 10,000 miles for me would be less then a years wait and I would be in better position to give an informed articulated opinion. Thanks.

Hi Road-Kill (Love the handle!) l've had my F3-S for almost two years and experienced the vibration you have, not at the same speed as Euro/ Aussie F3s have different rear sprocket
but I did get it at a certain road speed. It disappeared at around 5000 miles and hasn't returned. The drive belt is now much less stiff than it was when new and no longer vibrates like it did.
That motor loves to be ragged! No, it's not necessary but it's great fun, once the engine is broken in, to run it fast to around 7000 rpm before changing gear!

 

[Firefly]

The F4 is a great shield as is the Madstad, but if you really want to rid yourself of head buffeting you'll need to add an MRA- X Screen. They make all the difference in the world.
The idler pulley will take away most of the vibrations.


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[Road-Kill]

The F4 is a great shield as is the Madstad, but if you really want to rid yourself of head buffeting you'll need to add an MRA- X Screen. They make all the difference in the world.
The idler pulley will take away most of the vibrations.

I have added the F4 windshield and put 260 miles with it on the other day and LOVE it. The "head buffeting" is completely gone and the wind is removed from 60% of the grip area. Still debating the LaminarLip extensions to remove that final 40% from my grips. Thanks.

 

[Windjamer]

Has the BRP belt tensioner solved anybody's vibration problem? Got a new f3 and have a vibration at 65 mph. Going to the dealer to get the tensioner.

 

[Road-Kill]

Has the BRP belt tensioner solved anybody's vibration problem? Got a new f3 and have a vibration at 65 mph. Going to the dealer to get the tensioner.

It is "supposed" to arrive at my dealer tomorrow February 28th. I'm betting it will not. No other news to share.