nitrogen spyder

[Trickie Dick]

I check my tires pretty often and have never seen such drastic changes in tire pressure...what do you attribute the fast pressure changes to? Here in MD we have 4 seasons...lots of barometric pressure changes, but some reason (luck?), my tires don't get altered too much...

I did have a problem with the Spyder as I don't think it was checked on the last service, but since I've fixed that issue, they've been fine..

As far as your nail example goes, Ride-on would help you with that problem..haveta get some of that stuff myself and figure out how to put it in. Lamont said to check on youtube, but I can't find anything...argh...

Ride On is a sponsor of this forum. Intructions are on the web site. Pretty easy to put in. Lots of threads on it also. I was reminded of that this afternoon when I stopped to help a young lady riding a Honda. Turns out she had a flat. Told her about Ride On.
Dick

 

[hondaman]

I check my tires pretty often and have never seen such drastic changes in tire pressure...what do you attribute the fast pressure changes to? Here in MD we have 4 seasons...lots of barometric pressure changes, but some reason (luck?), my tires don't get altered too much...

I did have a problem with the Spyder as I don't think it was checked on the last service, but since I've fixed that issue, they've been fine..

As far as your nail example goes, Ride-on would help you with that problem..haveta get some of that stuff myself and figure out how to put it in. Lamont said to check on youtube, but I can't find anything...argh...

Well for your tire pressure?Most people dont check there own tire pressure they take to the dealer or jiffy lube etc to get there service work done,they just dont mess with it.Different tires are going to loose air at a different rate.some are just made better than others.Most cars are going 9k miles on an oil change that run on a maint. reminder system,todays cars know when they need the oil change.That can be 6-12 months for SOME people.If you think tire pressure will last that long it will not.Nitrogen will keep the tire pressure the same on a cool 60 degree morning as the afternoon 100 degree day with the blacktop at who knows how hot.As for the fix-a-flat,or Ride -on.Its a good idea to keep something with you if you have something without a spare.I wont put it in a tire if I dont have to.
I get customers all the time who come back a month later of so complaining there car vibrates at highway speeds after they had there tires ballanced.I have to ballance them again and one usually will not ballance out.I break down the tire and its full of fix a flat.They usually say they had a flat last week and used some.
Its not fun cleaning that mess out.
But there are some thats not that picky about a vibration,but many are.Some cars it takes very little for a vibration and some it takes a lot.
No car or tire is the same.

 

[spyryder]

Most people dont check there own tire pressure they take to the dealer or jiffy lube etc to get there service work done,they just dont mess with it.Different tires are going to loose air at a different rate.

I believe pressure monitoring systems are mandatory in the U.S. since model year 2007. Probably a good thing for those who never check their tires.

 

[bjt]

As far as your nail example goes, Ride-on would help you with that problem..haveta get some of that stuff myself and figure out how to put it in. Lamont said to check on youtube, but I can't find anything...argh...

Ride On application couldn't be easier. They give you a small tube that fits between the bottle of Ride On and the tire's valve stem and a valve core removal tool.

Step one - position the tire so the valve stem is towards the bottom of the wheel and easily accessible.

Step two - remove the valve stem cap and use the valve core removal tool to unscrew the valve core from the valve stem. This will release the air pressure from the tire so be careful when you are removing the valve core. The escaping air pressure may shoot the core away from you and they are small and easily lost. They can be bought at any tire store or auto parts store if you did happen to lose one.

Step three - cut the tip off the bottle of Ride On, push the installation tube on the bottle and push the opposite end of the tube over the valve stem (after the air has quit rushing out).

Step four - squeeze in the proper amount of Ride On for each size tire you are installing it in. This could take 5 minutes or so per tire as the Ride On is kind of thick and won't just pour out of the bottle and into the tire, you have to squeeze the bottle (multiple times) to force it in. One person reported that microwaving the Ride On for a few seconds heated it up and caused it to thin out a bit for easier installation.

Step five - clean out any excess Ride On from the inside of the valve stem with a pipe cleaner, q-tip, small screwdriver, etc.

Step six - re-install the valve core into the valve stem with valve core tool.

Step seven - air the tire up to the proper pressure.

Step eight - do the break in / Ride On distribution ride that is detailed in the instructions to allow the Ride On to flow around the inside of the tire. Initially the ride will feel very shaky as the Ride On is sitting in one big blob at the bottom of the tire but after about 15 - 30 minutes of riding, it will spread out inside the tire and the ride will smooth out.

As for the fix-a-flat,or Ride -on.Its a good idea to keep something with you if you have something without a spare.I wont put it in a tire if I dont have to.
I get customers all the time who come back a month later of so complaining there car vibrates at highway speeds after they had there tires ballanced.I have to ballance them again and one usually will not ballance out.I break down the tire and its full of fix a flat.They usually say they had a flat last week and used some.
Its not fun cleaning that mess out.
But there are some thats not that picky about a vibration,but many are.Some cars it takes very little for a vibration and some it takes a lot.
No car or tire is the same.

Fix A Flat and Ride On are not the same thing. Ride On is not a "side of the road flat repair" like Fix A Flat is. Also, some people have reported that Ride On actually improves the tires balance and some are now running with no wheel weights, using just the Ride On to maintain their tire balance.

If I had problems with slow leaks on otherwise good tires, I would try using nitrogen. For the most part, I haven't had tire pressure issues so I'm not anxious to spend the extra money on something I don't have a problem with right now. (Plus you have to drive around with those funky green valve stem caps )

 

[Firefly]

With all due respect Hondaman, we are talking about Spyders here - not cars. Anyone who only checks their tire pressure on the Spyder once or twice a year should not be riding a Spyder. I also doubt most Spyder owners are having the tire pressure checked at the local tire store.

The air we all use in our Spyder tires is already 78% Nitrogen - plenty enough for me. Running pure nitrogen might give someone the idea that they don't still need to check their pressure OFTEN.

I'll stick to good ol' air - and mine don't vary much at all.

 

[bone crusher]

Ride On application couldn't be easier. They give you a small tube that fits between the bottle of Ride On and the tire's valve stem and a valve core removal tool.

Step one - position the tire so the valve stem is towards the bottom of the wheel and easily accessible.

Step two - remove the valve stem cap and use the valve core removal tool to unscrew the valve core from the valve stem. This will release the air pressure from the tire so be careful when you are removing the valve core. The escaping air pressure may shoot the core away from you and they are small and easily lost. They can be bought at any tire store or auto parts store if you did happen to lose one.

Step three - cut the tip off the bottle of Ride On, push the installation tube on the bottle and push the opposite end of the tube over the valve stem (after the air has quit rushing out).

Step four - squeeze in the proper amount of Ride On for each size tire you are installing it in. This could take 5 minutes or so per tire as the Ride On is kind of thick and won't just pour out of the bottle and into the tire, you have to squeeze the bottle (multiple times) to force it in. One person reported that microwaving the Ride On for a few seconds heated it up and caused it to thin out a bit for easier installation.

Step five - clean out any excess Ride On from the inside of the valve stem with a pipe cleaner, q-tip, small screwdriver, etc.

Step six - re-install the valve core into the valve stem with valve core tool.

Step seven - air the tire up to the proper pressure.

Step eight - do the break in / Ride On distribution ride that is detailed in the instructions to allow the Ride On to flow around the inside of the tire. Initially the ride will feel very shaky as the Ride On is sitting in one big blob at the bottom of the tire but after about 15 - 30 minutes of riding, it will spread out inside the tire and the ride will smooth out.




Fix A Flat and Ride On are not the same thing. Ride On is not a "side of the road flat repair" like Fix A Flat is. Also, some people have reported that Ride On actually improves the tires balance and some are now running with no wheel weights, using just the Ride On to maintain their tire balance.

If I had problems with slow leaks on otherwise good tires, I would try using nitrogen. For the most part, I haven't had tire pressure issues so I'm not anxious to spend the extra money on something I don't have a problem with right now. (Plus you have to drive around with those funky green valve stem caps )

Thank you very much...Lamont mentioned some youtube videos of installation, but I can't find them...your instructions will help with the process tremendously...I gotta get this stuff...seems like a no-brainer...very important for a Spyder...even more-so for a two wheeler...

 

[bone crusher]

With all due respect Hondaman, we are talking about Spyders here - not cars. Anyone who only checks their tire pressure on the Spyder once or twice a year should not be riding a Spyder. I also doubt most Spyder owners are having the tire pressure checked at the local tire store.

The air we all use in our Spyder tires is already 78% Nitrogen - plenty enough for me. Running pure nitrogen might give someone the idea that they don't still need to check their pressure OFTEN.

I'll stick to good ol' air - and mine don't vary much at all.

Fire,

I fell prey to that problem. I'd check the tire pressure every few months (not every few weeks like I do now). I had my bike in for service some time ago and figured they'd take care of the air pressure. My ride comfort was great but when I checked the pressure on my own, I had like 13 in the fronts and I think in the mid-20s in the rear tire. Whoops!

I went up to 20/30 and rode with that for a while...then I found the ride to be too harsh and unforgiving.

I backed it down to 18/28 and I think that is a good spot for me.

With the 20/30, when I would take a turn and hit a pothole or other various bump, my back tire would literally jump, initiating the VSC system. This shouldn't be happening with ordinarily driving conditions.

With the tire pressure down just a bit, the tires 'gel' to the road a little better and don't jump around as much.

Just my observations...now I check every 2-3 weeks...haven't really seen a change, but I think the bigger changes come with seasonal weather changes and it's been fairly warm here for a while now...

 

[bone crusher]

Well for your tire pressure?Most people dont check there own tire pressure they take to the dealer or jiffy lube etc to get there service work done,they just dont mess with it.Different tires are going to loose air at a different rate.some are just made better than others.Most cars are going 9k miles on an oil change that run on a maint. reminder system,todays cars know when they need the oil change.That can be 6-12 months for SOME people.If you think tire pressure will last that long it will not.Nitrogen will keep the tire pressure the same on a cool 60 degree morning as the afternoon 100 degree day with the blacktop at who knows how hot.As for the fix-a-flat,or Ride -on.Its a good idea to keep something with you if you have something without a spare.I wont put it in a tire if I dont have to.
I get customers all the time who come back a month later of so complaining there car vibrates at highway speeds after they had there tires ballanced.I have to ballance them again and one usually will not ballance out.I break down the tire and its full of fix a flat.They usually say they had a flat last week and used some.
Its not fun cleaning that mess out.
But there are some thats not that picky about a vibration,but many are.Some cars it takes very little for a vibration and some it takes a lot.
No car or tire is the same.

Good points...thank you....I learned my lesson about not checking the tire pressure a while ago and now I'm very careful. As someone else mentioned, don't expect the dealerships to take care of it for you...and even so, since it's usually a period of time between servicing, we have to be able to take care of the pressure on our own.

As far as nitrogen goes, I've read that it's a better way to go...however, I'm not putting more than a couple thousand of miles on the bike each year, so I'm not too concerned at this time...

 

[hondaman]

With all due respect Hondaman, we are talking about Spyders here - not cars. Anyone who only checks their tire pressure on the Spyder once or twice a year should not be riding a Spyder. I also doubt most Spyder owners are having the tire pressure checked at the local tire store.

The air we all use in our Spyder tires is already 78% Nitrogen - plenty enough for me. Running pure nitrogen might give someone the idea that they don't still need to check their pressure OFTEN.

I'll stick to good ol' air - and mine don't vary much at all.

I shouldnt have got off the spyder subject,just if you ride a spyder,motorcycle,or just grab that trailer to haul your bike and forget to check the air.Ill take the xtra eye on my tires.Its the only thing between me and the ground........

 

[NancysToy]

I believe pressure monitoring systems are mandatory in the U.S. since model year 2007. Probably a good thing for those who never check their tires.

We can thank the Ford Explorer debacle for yet another mandatory gizmo. ......Oh yeah, better thank Congress, too!
-Scotty

 

[docdoru]

7 months ago several Spyders from Tampa Bay area were subjects for a promotional offer from a Nitrogen Tire company: $19 plus tax yearly fee for unlimited fill/refill including road assistance. It takes 3-4 times to bring the % of nitrogen close to 98.
Results: increased the life of the back tire from 12k to 17k (replacing tire #3 at 42k) and constant tire pressure (128F in the Mojave Dessert :yikes:).

 

[Firefly]

If you're getting 17K out of a rear tire - you ain't riding the Spyder like it should be . I'll never get more than 10K off a rear.

I'm not buying that running Nitrogen in the tire will give you 40% more tire life. It *might* help with tire rot from the inside - but I doubt that is why anyone replaces a Spyder tire. The nitrogen won't have any affect on the tread wear. It might keep the pressure more consistent - which should extend tire life - but not by 40%.

I could see the nitrogen becoming a crutch where people might not check tire pressure as often as they should.

 

[bjt]

If you're getting 17K out of a rear tire - you ain't riding the Spyder like it should be .

Thems fightin' words to docdoru.

 

[Firefly]

Thems fightin' words to docdoru.

I was going to say 12K !

Seriously - I don't think I ride that hard - and I don't do burnouts very often at all - but I just don't see getting much over 10K off a rear tire. Mine was totally bald in the middle @ 8K.:yikes:

 

[docdoru]

If you're getting 17K out of a rear tire - you ain't riding the Spyder like it should be

:agree: I'm at the bottom of the learing curve...:thumbup:

 

[zzneonzz]

I was going to say 12K !

Seriously - I don't think I ride that hard - and I don't do burnouts very often at all - but I just don't see getting much over 10K off a rear tire. Mine was totally bald in the middle @ 8K.:yikes:

Hrmm i ride it fairly agressavely and at 8800 miles i still have just under half the tire left.

 

[Firefly]

Hrmm i ride it fairly agressavely and at 8800 miles i still have just under half the tire left.

The second 1/2 seems to go really quick!

 

[bjt]

The second 1/2 seems to go really quick!

+1 Back when lamonster was posting about replacing his first tire, I was looking at my Kenda figuring I'd easily get 20,000 out of it. 4,000 or 5,000 miles later (around 10k total) I was looking to replace it. :dontknow: